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Old 02-13-2011, 03:15 PM   #76
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I feel the need to point out, again, this is microsuede...it's not going to disintegrate if you look at it funny...

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Number 3 ....

Design by commitee is never good. But catering to people whining and complaining online is far worse. People (especially older people) have a hard time adapting to something new.
They don't do either of that anymore...market research, benefit /vs cost, etc...it was a calculated decision to appeal to more buyers, based on feedback from real owners.

We're important....but don't overestimate our influence here online. We're just a part of the big picture they use to decide these things.

EDIT: I'll probably get it depending on price, but I'm interested to know what will replace the suede when the option is not checked...
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Old 02-13-2011, 04:15 PM   #77
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Good pix!

Like the passenger dash change, not liking the steering wheel
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Old 02-13-2011, 04:23 PM   #78
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They don't do either of that anymore...market research, benefit /vs cost, etc...it was a calculated decision to appeal to more buyers, based on feedback from real owners.

We're important....but don't overestimate our influence here online. We're just a part of the big picture they use to decide these things.

EDIT: I'll probably get it depending on price, but I'm interested to know what will replace the suede when the option is not checked...
If people did not complain, then they would not have switched the wheel, or modified the dashboard for the trim insert. Fact is ... they DO listen. Otherwise, they would not have changed anything.

Using the "corporate steering wheel" from all their other new vehicles obviously makes the production cost go down. No argueing against that. However they are also getting rid of a perfectly good steering wheel which they already spent money to develope. So that move does not make complete sense to me. I would think the number of peope who like the current steering wheel would far outweigh the number of people who would prefer the standard "corporate carryover wheel."

As I said before, blatant part sharing is one of the many things that give the perception of low quality, that American car companies have been trying to shake off for years. If they keep pulling the same ol' tricks.... nothing will ever change.

People always tend to reject the "new." And if GM (or any company) continues to listen to those people, then there will never be any progress or evolution.

I am pretty biased in my opinion, as I'm a car design nut. I just hate to see good design get butchered.

And to answer your question about the ZL1 Suede Package..... the standard interior for the ZL1 will most likely be leather, like the 2SS. Reference the CTS-V for similar packaging content. Suede/Microfiber is an add-on.
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Old 02-13-2011, 04:56 PM   #79
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If people did not complain, then they would not have switched the wheel, or modified the dashboard for the trim insert. Fact is ... they DO listen. Otherwise, they would not have changed anything.
Oh, I'm not denying that at all! I was just rebutting the idea that they changed it knee-jerk style because somebody whined...

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Using the "corporate steering wheel" from all their other new vehicles obviously makes the production cost go down. No argueing against that. However they are also getting rid of a perfectly good steering wheel which they already spent money to develope. So that move does not make complete sense to me. I would think the number of peope who like the current steering wheel would far outweigh the number of people who would prefer the standard "corporate carryover wheel."

As I said before, blatant part sharing is one of the many things that give the perception of low quality, that American car companies have been trying to shake off for years. If they keep pulling the same ol' tricks.... nothing will ever change.
They may have started with the corporate wheel, but they've made enough changes to it, I think, to balance out any economies-of-scale cost savings.

I didn't have an issue with the old wheel, myself...but clearly, enough did that merited a change. And with respect...don't blow this out of proportion.

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And to answer your question about the ZL1 Suede Package..... the standard interior for the ZL1 will most likely be leather, like the 2SS. Reference the CTS-V for similar packaging content. Suede/Microfiber is an add-on.
That's what I'm thinking as well...but nothing has officially been stated in terms of options and packaging. So whether it's leather, cloth like the Cruze, or gloss panels like the doors of the Camaro, or something else.... That's why I'm interested to see.
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Old 02-13-2011, 06:32 PM   #80
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In all fairness, Al did say during his introduction that the new flat bottom steering wheel has a smaller diameter, for better handeling. Said it makes the car feel more nimble. I cannot argue with that. So at least there is some benifit.........
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Old 02-13-2011, 06:38 PM   #81
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suede > leather. especially when racing. sweaty hands slide on leather steering wheels and shifters. suede grips alll the time. and suede on seats is needed noo more sliding around taking those 60mph turns.

change is good
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Old 06-09-2011, 09:32 PM   #82
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Ummmm... I thought GM sold Saab????

Compare the Saab 9-4x steering wheel with GM's pride and joy 2012 Camaro wheel ..... same wheel, except for a changed silver trim piece.

I do like the new wheel better than the current one, but come on GM.... a Saab wheel???

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Old 06-09-2011, 10:19 PM   #83
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I do like the new wheel better than the current one, but come on GM.... a Saab wheel???
Does it work? Does it look good?

Answer is "yesss"....and "yesss"...

So what does it matter?
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Yeah, just stirring it up a little. I actually like the new wheel better than the one that's in it now.
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Old 06-09-2011, 11:15 PM   #85
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Yeah, just stirring it up a little. I actually like the new wheel better than the one that's in it now.
I thought so...just teasing.
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Old 06-09-2011, 11:44 PM   #86
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Love the pass. dash revision, but the new wheel is hideous, and the non-ZL-1 cars don't even have the flat bottom, which makes it even more ridiculous. As for the "keeping costs down" argument, it's a steering wheel, not a platform. The current design is model-specific, so I don't buy that. Like someone mentioned earlier, it's just like when they put the Cavalier wheel in the '05 Vettes. The interior is utilitarian enough without adding a steering wheel from the Cruze. Just my .02...
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Old 06-10-2011, 11:57 PM   #87
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I was driving around a cruze today and the wheel actually feels amazing and it isn't as big as the 2010 camaro wheel! I feel its an improvement
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Old 07-19-2011, 10:25 AM   #88
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Dang! everyone is worried about the steering wheel. I was hoping that they would dump the poor retro job on the speedo and tach...two ugly bumps on the dash and hard to read speed...do not care for digital speed indicator...

And not to mention the radio controls???

Just take the C-6 cluster and stack...nice..

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Old 07-19-2011, 12:20 PM   #89
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Dang! everyone is worried about the steering wheel. I was hoping that they would dump the poor retro job on the speedo and tach...two ugly bumps on the dash and hard to read speed...do not care for digital speed indicator...

And not to mention the radio controls???

Just take the C-6 cluster and stack...nice..

Why all the hate

2010-2011 Interior Design looks incredible. 2012 steering wheel is not my fav but the car is amazing. Keeping the Camaro alive and letting more people experience the greatness is important.

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This reminds me of all the bitch!ng over the tail lights that turned out to be a complete non-issue.

Jeez, everyone, relax.

And I've never seen so many people complain about a steering wheel. I drove a Cruze and wasn't a huge fan of the wheel. But then I don't buy cars because of steering wheels, so I figure I'll get used to it and it really can't/shouldn't be that big of a deal. I've had steering wheels that weren't my absolute favorites before but it's not like that affected my experience with the vehicle in any way.

I'll be way too busy flooring the gas pedal, feeling the wind through my hair, and drifting around corners to even remember the steering wheel's there!
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that steering wheel is seriously ugly why would gm do that
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For all the people bitchin' about the steering wheel, have you actually seen it in person? My initial impressions when I first saw the wheel in these pictures were.....meh...OK, I guess. When I saw it in person at Camaro5 Fest, it looked good. I guess my only complaint is the Chevy bowtie in the middle. I like the '10-'11 steering wheel "Camaro" letters because it makes it unique to the Camaro.
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Old 07-19-2011, 11:37 PM   #93
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Why all the hate

2010-2011 Interior Design looks incredible. 2012 steering wheel is not my fav but the car is amazing. Keeping the Camaro alive and letting more people experience the greatness is important.
No hate here, just a dumb dash...I bought and drove the orginals (ya we ran new goats, hemi cudas, SS, road runners like they would make them forever) and the dash looked better and you could read the speed etc...

I think the speedo and tach are a poor effort and the radio makes no sense to me ...look at the late 60s..not that good but why a sad copy now...

Look at the C-6 dash and stack....no wrapped bumps in your face with no flow...and you can read the speed too...gee...the HUD is great for this Camaro

The camaro wrapper is real good but you spend all your time driving looking at the dash..let the Camaro flow and lose some of the retro..Looked at a 69 z-28 just the other day and the current dash is not the winner....check the dash on this 69...

http://www.cars-on-line.com/53695.html

I think the next gen Camaro has a chance to be the best performing and the best looking inside and out if the retro grip is given the boot or at least less of a grip......

On a side note to let you know how it was back then.....had a friend in VM and he stored his paid for 69 Camaro Z-28. His father rolled it out one day to wash..went inside and Z was long gone and friend had no insurance and no Z when he got home from Nam...but he did come home.
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