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Old 03-19-2009, 01:59 AM   #18
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i used to practce shifting in my friends Civic ( IT WAs THE ONLY CAR AVAILABLE 2 ME @ THE TIME WITH A MANUAL lol) and i used to do like grandpa used to listen to the engine wind out you'll hear it wanna go 2 the next gear, i realize this is probably a less affective way but i'd like o learn how differnet gears have different sweet spots (i thats true)
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Old 03-19-2009, 05:19 AM   #19
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Every gear should have its own sweet spot, and as far as what XanthosV6 said :bangdesk: I definately agree!


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Old 03-19-2009, 05:30 AM   #20
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Is it wrong that I actually understood that equation?


ugh. As far as I know I'm done with math classes and damn happy about it.
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Old 03-19-2009, 12:02 PM   #21
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I LOVE CARS!!!
I HATE MATH!!! PLZ DON'T PUT THEM TOGETHER !!! LOL
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Old 03-19-2009, 08:41 PM   #22
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everygear SHOULD have a different rev limit/shif point, but judging by the other LS3's out there dyno's out there (stock), you will probably need to shift very close to redline (6500 rpm or so).
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Old 03-19-2009, 10:28 PM   #23
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I've noticed on the SS gauge cluster that the tach is blue to about 6k, with a blue line crossing at about 6250 RPM, then it is red to 6600, then red hashed past that. I am fully aware that the red hashing at 6600 is redline, but what about the area between 6250 and 6600 that's red, and what about the blue line crossing at 6250??? My guess is that it may be the optimal RPM to shift at for the 6-speed... Any other guesses
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Old 03-19-2009, 11:31 PM   #24
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Wow this thread gives me a headache... How about shift when it feels right, that's generally what most peopledo anyways cuz it's too difficult to look down while racing.
It doesn't give me a headache ~ I like to know what the recommendations are and the logic behind it, but for me it really comes down to the feel. That's why I opted for the stick.
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Old 03-19-2009, 11:36 PM   #25
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It doesn't give me a headache ~ I like to know what the recommendations are and the logic behind it, but for me it really comes down to the feel. That's why I opted for the stick.
And while this is a fine way to drive, its not the most efficient. The problem is that the gear your in doesn't give a hoot what the gear ratio will be after you shift - feel won't change based on the next gear, but will stay the same for every gear. So while you can feel when the engine wants to shift, you have to do the math and research to know when the transmission wants to shift.
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Wow this thread gives me a headache... How about shift when it feels right, that's generally what most peopledo anyways cuz it's too difficult to look down while racing.
that's why you practice the shifts while looking down, learning what each shift sounds like. i shift at a different point for just about every gear in my truck, but i rarely look at the tach anymore because i learned what each rpm sounds like

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Is it wrong that I actually understood that equation?


ugh. As far as I know I'm done with math classes and damn happy about it.
i understood it & i ain't had a math class since high school!

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driving is based on math (especially racing)... sorry bud!

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And while this is a fine way to drive, its not the most efficient. The problem is that the gear your in doesn't give a hoot what the gear ratio will be after you shift - feel won't change based on the next gear, but will stay the same for every gear. So while you can feel when the engine wants to shift, you have to do the math and research to know when the transmission wants to shift.
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Using a GTECH, I was able to gain 2mph at the track by changing my shiftpoint ~200 rpm. The differences between shift points between different gears shouldn't be that much, no more than 150 rpm. Obviously, the gearing of each gear will make a difference.
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Old 03-20-2009, 05:38 PM   #28
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driving is based on math (especially racing)... sorry bud!
Don't remind me lol i know math has almost everything to do with cars & driving but i'll admit that was just too much for me lol,
i wish i knew someone with a manual to practice on but w/e
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Old 03-20-2009, 09:32 PM   #29
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Don't remind me lol i know math has almost everything to do with cars & driving but i'll admit that was just too much for me lol,
i wish i knew someone with a manual to practice on but w/e
you could use mine, but that'd be quite a drive...

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since we are talking bout manual and when to shift...i got a question a lil off topic...ok im getting my camaro stick but dont really have any experience with manual...ive drove it before in my friends cars...an old volvo 740(i think) turbo, a 95 civic bubble back, and his dads mini cooper S...the hardest part is getting it into first and taking off...although im passed that point...im just nervous as to when im in traffic but wuteva thats not my question...my question is how the hell do people do burn outs? do they use their left for for the clutch and right foot to hold the brake and give gas? then put the clutch foot on the brake and then move the right foot fully to the gas? that sounds like it would work to me...and the only possible way...but the real question is, how do people do burn out and switch gears while burning out? are they doing a heal toe technique and just holding the gas down through shifts?
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since we are talking bout manual and when to shift...i got a question a lil off topic...ok im getting my camaro stick but dont really have any experience with manual...ive drove it before in my friends cars...an old volvo 740(i think) turbo, a 95 civic bubble back, and his dads mini cooper S...the hardest part is getting it into first and taking off...although im passed that point...im just nervous as to when im in traffic but wuteva thats not my question...my question is how the hell do people do burn outs? do they use their left for for the clutch and right foot to hold the brake and give gas? then put the clutch foot on the brake and then move the right foot fully to the gas? that sounds like it would work to me...and the only possible way...but the real question is, how do people do burn out and switch gears while burning out? are they doing a heal toe technique and just holding the gas down through shifts?
i've never personally done it, but the heel-toe makes perfect sense to use on shifts, but for just first gear, droppin the clutch & gettin the brake with the left will work
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line lock helps but you dont need it.

yes, just spin the tires and use your clutch foot to hold the brakes. not that hard. and to shift, let go of the brake, shift, then hold the brake again with the clutch foot. not that hard either, the tires should be spinning fast enough at that point to where it doesn't creep forward much if at all.

burnouts in the camaro might be rougher on the engine though with those huge brakes in the back creating a heavy load on the driveline.
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Old 03-21-2009, 12:24 AM   #33
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line lock helps but you dont need it.

yes, just spin the tires and use your clutch foot to hold the brakes. not that hard. and to shift, let go of the brake, shift, then hold the brake again with the clutch foot. not that hard either, the tires should be spinning fast enough at that point to where it doesn't creep forward much if at all.

burnouts in the camaro might be rougher on the engine though with those huge brakes in the back creating a heavy load on the driveline.
someone mentioned earlier that you only use 20% brake pressure in the rear
honest to God NEVER KNEW THAT !! , but thats kool
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someone mentioned earlier that you only use 20% brake pressure in the rear
honest to God NEVER KNEW THAT !! , but thats kool
basically, you hold the brake down the least amount possible while keeping the car from moving forward.

it still puts a pretty good strain on the whole driveline (rear end, clutch, transmission and engine). Not to mention, the brakes take a pretty good beating (AND TIRES!).
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