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Old 09-05-2011, 03:13 AM   #26
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Like I keep saying..... Don't be disappointed with want GM comes out with........ IF they come out with it. We can only hope what GM will do with it if it does. The fact is, all these folks on here that want a track car (I assume to do racing) or a drag car, why don't you order the Camaro body, put whatever you want in it, make whatever you want out of it and call it whatever you want to call it. Why should you expect Chevy to build it for you...... just saying!
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Like I keep saying..... Don't be disappointed with want GM comes out with........ IF they come out with it. We can only hope what GM will do with it if it does. The fact is, all these folks on here that want a track car (I assume to do racing) or a drag car, why don't you order the Camaro body, put whatever you want in it, make whatever you want out of it and call it whatever you want to call it. Why should you expect Chevy to build it for you...... just saying!
first read my signature.

second. I want a car that I can drive during the week if I choose and take it to the track on the weekend. I.e. Z06 like camaro.

you are such a negative nancy.
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first read my signature.

second. I want a car that I can drive during the week if I choose and take it to the track on the weekend. I.e. Z06 like camaro.

you are such a negative nancy.
boxmonkey racing, you have to realize that you're replying to the same person that tried to educate us about the Z/28 by quoting several paragraphs from an article that said virtually nothing about the Z/28 other than it existed and when it was first produced. Some people just don't get it and it is pointless to argue with them, I say just let them babble on with their nonsense and the rest of us can continue with informed and knowledgeable discussions.
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Do you guys just skim the posts or actually read them, I am NO expert on the Z28 but I do READ. I think you guys just can't let anyone else have an option and so I end this thing with the original post. I THINK (IN MY OPINON), THAT YOU ARE BUILDING THIS CAR IN YOUR OWN MINDS AS A SUPERCAR AND I HOPE YOU ARE NOT DISAPPOINTED WHEN IT COMES OUT OR DO YOU JUST LIKE TO ARGUE?
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Do you guys just skim the posts or actually read them, I am NO expert on the Z28 but I do READ. I think you guys just can't let anyone else have an option and so I end this thing with the original post. I THINK (IN MY OPINON), THAT YOU ARE BUILDING THIS CAR IN YOUR OWN MINDS AS A SUPERCAR AND I HOPE YOU ARE NOT DISAPPOINTED WHEN IT COMES OUT OR DO YOU JUST LIKE TO ARGUE?
As long as the ZL1 hood isn't on it I'll be happy.
The ZL1 is the supercar.

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I think you are building the Z28 into this supercar and I believe it will lead you to disapointment when it actually comes out. If Chevy follows the badging of the Camaro line, the Z28 never had more power than the SS and was just a suspenstion package so I think it will come out as an option package for the SS later on but like everyone else.... I'm just guessing.
I won't sit here and act like I know all about the history of Camaro's, but the statement above seems true. I had a z28 and my brother had a z28. His 2nd Camaro he went and got an SS(4th Gen). I've always saw the SS in the 4th Gens as the upgrade or a slightly higher end model over the z28.

I may have to some more reading on here or do some googling - but if this is correct - what is the big deal of a z28 when you have an SS available.
Are you looking for a cheaper car to then mod up? How much cheaper would this z28 be?
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Do you guys just skim the posts or actually read them, I am NO expert on the Z28 but I do READ. I think you guys just can't let anyone else have an option and so I end this thing with the original post. I THINK (IN MY OPINON), THAT YOU ARE BUILDING THIS CAR IN YOUR OWN MINDS AS A SUPERCAR AND I HOPE YOU ARE NOT DISAPPOINTED WHEN IT COMES OUT OR DO YOU JUST LIKE TO ARGUE?
sounds to me like you want the TTV6. the real question is why? we have so many reasons why a TTV6 isn't viable for a road track car. the original z28 was such an animal. how old are you? I only ask because I do find a lot of the younger, about 10 years younger than me, people have this mentality that a v-6 and turbos are better than any v-8. when time and time again it can be proven that it's not.

I mean you are entitled to your opinion. but you said option. so it sounds like what you want and what the heritage of the Z is are two different things. I wouldn't mind seeing a TTv6. I feel it would bring in more buyers, but for performance vs cost of such a setup in this car it just doesn't work.

I'm not arguing I'm making a point. and it also sounds like when your points aren't sound/strong you think we are arguing. Not everyone is going to get what they want in the Z28. I for one am already preparing for such a thing. because what I want isn't already on the market, and won't be until it's first in the C7 vette. but will that stop me from saving for it. no. does that stop me from hoping that this Z28 can handle corners better and is faster then the SS in the twisties, no. I have a general idea of what I will be satisfied with from the factory. and it isn't all the bells and whistles you get with a 2SS/2LT.

things I would like to see:

handling 1G+ on the skid pad
ring time less than 8:10
1320 in the mid to low 12's.
manual leather seats as an option
and heads up display

I don't need onstar, TC or infotainment system. but I have a feeling I will be forced into 2 out of three of those.

everyone is entitled to their opinion. but when you have people that lived during those times (wildpaws) and know what the Z was about, you just don't try to prove your point with weak information. that is all.
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boxmonkey racing, you have to realize that you're replying to the same person that tried to educate us about the Z/28 by quoting several paragraphs from an article that said virtually nothing about the Z/28 other than it existed and when it was first produced. Some people just don't get it and it is pointless to argue with them, I say just let them babble on with their nonsense and the rest of us can continue with informed and knowledgeable discussions.
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I swear the 4th gen has messed everyone up on the moniker. oh well, too bad Fbodfather doesn't really come in here anymore. sure he could help you and others educate the masses.

every GM product can be an SS, but only a camaro can be Z28.
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every GM product can be an SS, but only a camaro can be Z28.
agreed! i am too waiting on the z/28 while i enjoy my pace car. i've owned over 30 camaros since i've been old enough to drive and the z/28 is my favorite hands down.i truly believe GM will do us right and build one that will stand behind it's name. you can put a supercharger on anything.........just saying.......
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I won't sit here and act like I know all about the history of Camaro's, but the statement above seems true. I had a z28 and my brother had a z28. His 2nd Camaro he went and got an SS(4th Gen). I've always saw the SS in the 4th Gens as the upgrade or a slightly higher end model over the z28.

I may have to some more reading on here or do some googling - but if this is correct - what is the big deal of a z28 when you have an SS available.
Are you looking for a cheaper car to then mod up? How much cheaper would this z28 be?
Read some Camaro history, Z/28 history in particular. The SS Camaro and the Z/28 Camaro started out as completely different animals. This link is a good start:
http://www.67z28.com/history.htm

No one is looking for a cheaper car to mod up, what we are looking for is a factory built version that is closer to the end product we want. And that end product is not an SS or ZL1.
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I'm old enough to have owned a 79 Z28 new and I can tell you it was one nice ride. I fully agree that the '67 Z28 was a great handling car for what it was created for, SCCA racing back then. We all thought of the SS (396 & 427) as a drag car and the Z28 as a track car in those days. I know that if and when GM comes out with it, it will be a great ride even if it is a TTV6. I believe it will be a very cool and awesome ride but I think (my opinion only) it will not be what the expectation some folks are wanting so that's why I said I hope they are not disappointed. The ZL1 looks to have all that you are looking for in the Z28 (except the badging) so if it can pull a 1g on the skid pad, that would be just plain great, but I for one would not be disappointed if it didn't.
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I'm old enough to have owned a 79 Z28 new and I can tell you it was one nice ride. I fully agree that the '67 Z28 was a great handling car for what it was created for, SCCA racing back then. We all thought of the SS (396 & 427) as a drag car and the Z28 as a track car in those days. I know that if and when GM comes out with it, it will be a great ride even if it is a TTV6. I believe it will be a very cool and awesome ride but I think (my opinion only) it will not be what the expectation some folks are wanting so that's why I said I hope they are not disappointed. The ZL1 looks to have all that you are looking for in the Z28 (except the badging) so if it can pull a 1g on the skid pad, that would be just plain great, but I for one would not be disappointed if it didn't.
the ZL1 has one huge problem. a supercharger. heat soak on a long track day will be awful. yea you can make a few laps but a full race? probably not. definitely not what I'm looking for.
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I'm old enough to have owned a 79 Z28 new and I can tell you it was one nice ride. I fully agree that the '67 Z28 was a great handling car for what it was created for, SCCA racing back then. We all thought of the SS (396 & 427) as a drag car and the Z28 as a track car in those days. I know that if and when GM comes out with it, it will be a great ride even if it is a TTV6. I believe it will be a very cool and awesome ride but I think (my opinion only) it will not be what the expectation some folks are wanting so that's why I said I hope they are not disappointed. The ZL1 looks to have all that you are looking for in the Z28 (except the badging) so if it can pull a 1g on the skid pad, that would be just plain great, but I for one would not be disappointed if it didn't.
If GM puts a V6 in a Z/28, I'll buy a Boss mustang!
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I swear the 4th gen has messed everyone up on the moniker. oh well, too bad Fbodfather doesn't really come in here anymore. sure he could help you and others educate the masses.

every GM product can be an SS, but only a camaro can be Z28.

Scott is staying clear of the new Z/28 threads for now and I don't blame him.
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Read some Camaro history, Z/28 history in particular. The SS Camaro and the Z/28 Camaro started out as completely different animals. This link is a good start:
http://www.67z28.com/history.htm

No one is looking for a cheaper car to mod up, what we are looking for is a factory built version that is closer to the end product we want. And that end product is not an SS or ZL1.
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Ok I will read. Thanks!

Before I do - is their a real chance at the z/28 coming out? Will it be something power and handling wise between the current SS and the 2012 zl1? Will the price be between the SS and the zl1? If the z/28 will handle like the zl1 but with less power I'm so getting one.
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Ok I will read. Thanks!

Before I do - is their a real chance at the z/28 coming out? Will it be something power and handling wise between the current SS and the 2012 zl1? Will the price be between the SS and the zl1? If the z/28 will handle like the zl1 but with less power I'm so getting one.

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Ok I will read. Thanks!

Before I do - is their a real chance at the z/28 coming out?
depends on how you interpret the tea leaves
Will it be something power and handling wise between the current SS and the 2012 zl1? Will the price be between the SS and the zl1?
thats what we expect
If the z/28 will handle like the zl1 but with less power I'm so getting one.
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And I hate Mustangs....so what does that tell you!


I rather have a V8 supercharged ZL1 than a V6 turbo...though I still miss the days of a nice V8 four-bar/carb! But a Z28 better be a V8 either way or its not a Z28!
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Plus, Chevrolet should do something useful with all those LS7s and camaros have always gotten the handme downs from the vette'. Just sayin'...
True, back at the end of the hey days of the Z-28, 70-74, they shared the same top of the line 350 SHP as the one in the Corvette. No one's gonna be dissapointed if we can get a LS7 in our Z-28, I can guarantee you that...
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Like I keep saying..... Don't be disappointed with want GM comes out with........ IF they come out with it. We can only hope what GM will do with it if it does. The fact is, all these folks on here that want a track car (I assume to do racing) or a drag car, why don't you order the Camaro body, put whatever you want in it, make whatever you want out of it and call it whatever you want to call it. Why should you expect Chevy to build it for you...... just saying!
...first of all if you have been reading all the threads, as I assume you have, there is enough info laying about to support the belief it will be reincarnated. There admittedly has been internal strife over the useage of name. Secondly Chevy is in the business to make money, we all understand that, not make customized vehicles. Thats a rather naive proposition to put out there about having such expectations. There is an unprecidented movement from within Chevy with the inception of the Gen5 to protect the Camaro's heritage. Development is taken dead seriously and particular attention is given to it's bloodline, collectibility, and stature from a historical standpoint. Surely, you must be joking <pun intended>, to propose Chevy, having Guardians of the Camaro in place on the development team, to allow anything short of a true Z-28 to be produced. That could not happen at the present time the way they have it set up. Not in this decade. I would like to add that I believe they already have it planned for release within the next two years. The heavy weight Champion ZL1 will take it's rightful place in history. Then we get the cruiser weight street fighter Z-28. We need to voice our opinions of what we want, or would like to have. They read the board. We are part of the same community. We are on Team Camaro.
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...first of all if you have been reading all the threads, as I assume you have, there is enough info laying about to support the belief it will be reincarnated. There admittedly has been internal strife over the useage of name. Secondly Chevy is in the business to make money, we all understand that, not make customized vehicles. Thats a rather naive proposition to put out there about having such expectations. There is an unprecidented movement from within Chevy with the inception of the Gen5 to protect the Camaro's heritage. Development is taken dead seriously and particular attention is given to it's bloodline, collectibility, and stature from a historical standpoint. Surely, you must be joking <pun intended>, to propose Chevy, having Guardians of the Camaro in place on the development team, to allow anything short of a true Z-28 to be produced. That could not happen at the present time the way they have it set up. Not in this decade. I would like to add that I believe they already have it planned for release within the next two years. The heavy weight Champion ZL1 will take it's rightful place in history. Then we get the cruiser weight street fighter Z-28. We need to voice our opinions of what we want, or would like to have. They read the board. We are part of the same community. We are on Team Camaro.


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Just to sidestep and be on the same note...I was rereading my Camaro Now issue from the being of this year...where it clearly states in an article that the belief was at the beginning of the year that what we now know as the ZL1 was assumed to be the Z28, so I feel without a doubt it will happen but probably when they produce the Alpha platform that is coming in two years? Its lighter which would make sense for the Z28. Just sayin'! But I'm not sure I can hold out that long...we shall see. Right now, we need an Obamanator...or rather a 'policy killer' on the MPG policies coming into effect to help the process.
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