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Old 09-05-2011, 09:59 AM   #35
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I won't sit here and act like I know all about the history of Camaro's, but the statement above seems true. I had a z28 and my brother had a z28. His 2nd Camaro he went and got an SS(4th Gen). I've always saw the SS in the 4th Gens as the upgrade or a slightly higher end model over the z28.

I may have to some more reading on here or do some googling - but if this is correct - what is the big deal of a z28 when you have an SS available.
Are you looking for a cheaper car to then mod up? How much cheaper would this z28 be?
Read some Camaro history, Z/28 history in particular. The SS Camaro and the Z/28 Camaro started out as completely different animals. This link is a good start:
http://www.67z28.com/history.htm

No one is looking for a cheaper car to mod up, what we are looking for is a factory built version that is closer to the end product we want. And that end product is not an SS or ZL1.
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Old 09-05-2011, 10:00 AM   #36
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I'm old enough to have owned a 79 Z28 new and I can tell you it was one nice ride. I fully agree that the '67 Z28 was a great handling car for what it was created for, SCCA racing back then. We all thought of the SS (396 & 427) as a drag car and the Z28 as a track car in those days. I know that if and when GM comes out with it, it will be a great ride even if it is a TTV6. I believe it will be a very cool and awesome ride but I think (my opinion only) it will not be what the expectation some folks are wanting so that's why I said I hope they are not disappointed. The ZL1 looks to have all that you are looking for in the Z28 (except the badging) so if it can pull a 1g on the skid pad, that would be just plain great, but I for one would not be disappointed if it didn't.
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I'm old enough to have owned a 79 Z28 new and I can tell you it was one nice ride. I fully agree that the '67 Z28 was a great handling car for what it was created for, SCCA racing back then. We all thought of the SS (396 & 427) as a drag car and the Z28 as a track car in those days. I know that if and when GM comes out with it, it will be a great ride even if it is a TTV6. I believe it will be a very cool and awesome ride but I think (my opinion only) it will not be what the expectation some folks are wanting so that's why I said I hope they are not disappointed. The ZL1 looks to have all that you are looking for in the Z28 (except the badging) so if it can pull a 1g on the skid pad, that would be just plain great, but I for one would not be disappointed if it didn't.
the ZL1 has one huge problem. a supercharger. heat soak on a long track day will be awful. yea you can make a few laps but a full race? probably not. definitely not what I'm looking for.
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I'm old enough to have owned a 79 Z28 new and I can tell you it was one nice ride. I fully agree that the '67 Z28 was a great handling car for what it was created for, SCCA racing back then. We all thought of the SS (396 & 427) as a drag car and the Z28 as a track car in those days. I know that if and when GM comes out with it, it will be a great ride even if it is a TTV6. I believe it will be a very cool and awesome ride but I think (my opinion only) it will not be what the expectation some folks are wanting so that's why I said I hope they are not disappointed. The ZL1 looks to have all that you are looking for in the Z28 (except the badging) so if it can pull a 1g on the skid pad, that would be just plain great, but I for one would not be disappointed if it didn't.
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Old 09-05-2011, 11:15 AM   #39
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I swear the 4th gen has messed everyone up on the moniker. oh well, too bad Fbodfather doesn't really come in here anymore. sure he could help you and others educate the masses.

every GM product can be an SS, but only a camaro can be Z28.

Scott is staying clear of the new Z/28 threads for now and I don't blame him.
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Read some Camaro history, Z/28 history in particular. The SS Camaro and the Z/28 Camaro started out as completely different animals. This link is a good start:
http://www.67z28.com/history.htm

No one is looking for a cheaper car to mod up, what we are looking for is a factory built version that is closer to the end product we want. And that end product is not an SS or ZL1.
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Ok I will read. Thanks!

Before I do - is their a real chance at the z/28 coming out? Will it be something power and handling wise between the current SS and the 2012 zl1? Will the price be between the SS and the zl1? If the z/28 will handle like the zl1 but with less power I'm so getting one.
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Ok I will read. Thanks!

Before I do - is their a real chance at the z/28 coming out? Will it be something power and handling wise between the current SS and the 2012 zl1? Will the price be between the SS and the zl1? If the z/28 will handle like the zl1 but with less power I'm so getting one.

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Ok I will read. Thanks!

Before I do - is their a real chance at the z/28 coming out?
depends on how you interpret the tea leaves
Will it be something power and handling wise between the current SS and the 2012 zl1? Will the price be between the SS and the zl1?
thats what we expect
If the z/28 will handle like the zl1 but with less power I'm so getting one.
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Old 09-05-2011, 11:49 AM   #43
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If GM puts a V6 in a Z/28, I'll buy a Boss mustang!
And I hate Mustangs....so what does that tell you!


I rather have a V8 supercharged ZL1 than a V6 turbo...though I still miss the days of a nice V8 four-bar/carb! But a Z28 better be a V8 either way or its not a Z28!
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Plus, Chevrolet should do something useful with all those LS7s and camaros have always gotten the handme downs from the vette'. Just sayin'...
True, back at the end of the hey days of the Z-28, 70-74, they shared the same top of the line 350 SHP as the one in the Corvette. No one's gonna be dissapointed if we can get a LS7 in our Z-28, I can guarantee you that...
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Like I keep saying..... Don't be disappointed with want GM comes out with........ IF they come out with it. We can only hope what GM will do with it if it does. The fact is, all these folks on here that want a track car (I assume to do racing) or a drag car, why don't you order the Camaro body, put whatever you want in it, make whatever you want out of it and call it whatever you want to call it. Why should you expect Chevy to build it for you...... just saying!
...first of all if you have been reading all the threads, as I assume you have, there is enough info laying about to support the belief it will be reincarnated. There admittedly has been internal strife over the useage of name. Secondly Chevy is in the business to make money, we all understand that, not make customized vehicles. Thats a rather naive proposition to put out there about having such expectations. There is an unprecidented movement from within Chevy with the inception of the Gen5 to protect the Camaro's heritage. Development is taken dead seriously and particular attention is given to it's bloodline, collectibility, and stature from a historical standpoint. Surely, you must be joking <pun intended>, to propose Chevy, having Guardians of the Camaro in place on the development team, to allow anything short of a true Z-28 to be produced. That could not happen at the present time the way they have it set up. Not in this decade. I would like to add that I believe they already have it planned for release within the next two years. The heavy weight Champion ZL1 will take it's rightful place in history. Then we get the cruiser weight street fighter Z-28. We need to voice our opinions of what we want, or would like to have. They read the board. We are part of the same community. We are on Team Camaro.
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Old 09-05-2011, 07:53 PM   #46
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If they were not going to build another up level Camaro then there would be no ZL1. "It " the ZL1 would have been the Z28. The fact that GM built and will sell the ZL1 means a Z28 WILL happen. Get it???
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...first of all if you have been reading all the threads, as I assume you have, there is enough info laying about to support the belief it will be reincarnated. There admittedly has been internal strife over the useage of name. Secondly Chevy is in the business to make money, we all understand that, not make customized vehicles. Thats a rather naive proposition to put out there about having such expectations. There is an unprecidented movement from within Chevy with the inception of the Gen5 to protect the Camaro's heritage. Development is taken dead seriously and particular attention is given to it's bloodline, collectibility, and stature from a historical standpoint. Surely, you must be joking <pun intended>, to propose Chevy, having Guardians of the Camaro in place on the development team, to allow anything short of a true Z-28 to be produced. That could not happen at the present time the way they have it set up. Not in this decade. I would like to add that I believe they already have it planned for release within the next two years. The heavy weight Champion ZL1 will take it's rightful place in history. Then we get the cruiser weight street fighter Z-28. We need to voice our opinions of what we want, or would like to have. They read the board. We are part of the same community. We are on Team Camaro.


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Just to sidestep and be on the same note...I was rereading my Camaro Now issue from the being of this year...where it clearly states in an article that the belief was at the beginning of the year that what we now know as the ZL1 was assumed to be the Z28, so I feel without a doubt it will happen but probably when they produce the Alpha platform that is coming in two years? Its lighter which would make sense for the Z28. Just sayin'! But I'm not sure I can hold out that long...we shall see. Right now, we need an Obamanator...or rather a 'policy killer' on the MPG policies coming into effect to help the process.
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