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Old 09-09-2011, 02:30 AM   #51
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Just curious, how in the heck do they do that without running out of fuel? They must have some external fuel feed or something yeah?
Definitely. I mean ... they had to burn thousands of gallons of fuel on that test. No way are you going to mount a tank that big above an engine inside a dyno cell. Though it would be funny to see ...
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I feel like they should have waited until later to announce the specs. Now the GT500 will probably be one step ahead. But its still impressive!
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I feel like they should have waited until later to announce the specs. Now the GT500 will probably be one step ahead. But its still impressive!
I'm sure that Ford already knows the exact specs of the ZL1. And who cares? Let em know.
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Anyone else notice the last pic? The hood is slightly different. The cowl has vents on the sides as well, only in that last pic. Also, the engine cover in this silver car is black. Guess this might hint that color-matched engine covers will be an option on the ZL1 as well?
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Gt500 might try to "be ahead" in performance, but it looks likes a feminine vehicle. Ford really can't do jack shit in making their products look better.
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According to the article though, the manual will have launch control and the auto will not. That "should" even things out a little. Don't you think?
Still need to be able to shift perfectly and I should have clarified that is what I meant. Sure you can use launch control but if you can't at least decently match the shifts of an automatic then a person would be hopeless. The reason the auto doesn't have launch control is because it won't need it.

Both the Dual Clutch and Stick Manual BMW M3's have launch control but that is because they are both manuals and aren't as consistent as they could be, the Dual Clutch is great though.

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Gt500 might try to "be ahead" in performance, but it looks likes a feminine vehicle. Ford really can't do jack shit in making their products look better.
Looks are subjective, I love the look of both cars, I saw the V6 Camaro and thought that is one ugly front end and decided to spend the extra $10,000 (up here in Canada) for the SS, not that that was the only reason as a whole I wanted a Muscle Car so I needed the V8. I would love a ZL1 but I already have a SS and don't want to spend upwards of $85,000 on a Camaro, so a GT500 it is for me, don't care if it's a little slower, I have no desire to buy another Camaro.

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Old 09-09-2011, 03:33 AM   #60
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The supercharged V8 in the Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 is rated at 580 hp.

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The 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 will not be anywhere near as rare as its 1969 namesake when it arrives during the first quarter of next year, but the most powerful production Camaro to date should deliver performance more than worthy of its model designation.

Camaro engineers on Thursday offered media members a preview of the upcoming Ford Mustang Shelby GT500-fighter, and the tale of the tape is impressive, especially in terms of grunt: The 6.2-liter, supercharged LSA V8 will make 580 hp at 6,000 rpm, and 556 lb-ft of torque at 4,200 rpm, besting Chevrolet's original targets for the engine's output and bettering its efficiency in Cadillac's CTS-V by 24 hp and 5 lb-ft.

For those keeping score against the GT500, the ZL1 trumps the top-of-the-range Mustang's ratings by 30 hp and 46 lb-ft.

As the Camaro team explained, the engine's improved numbers come thanks to “a unique induction system, with a lower-restriction air filter, dual ‘bell mouth' inlet paths, and improved airflow through the supercharger housing. Other changes include a higher-efficiency supercharger intercooler and electric power steering system, which consumes less engine power than hydraulic-steering systems.”

However, Camaro chief engineer Al Oppenheiser and his colleagues made it clear that they intend the ZL1 to be far more than a drag-racer right out of the box.

“[This car] is track-ready from the showroom,” Oppenheiser said, then pointed to the list of standard equipment to make his point: A liquid-to-liquid oil cooler lifted straight from the Corvette ZR1, deep-sump oil pan, rear-differential cooler and, according the Oppenheiser, a fuel system with additional pickups that should feed the engine during hard cornering even when the gas tank is low on fuel.

The ZL1 also comes with the third-generation of Magnetic Ride Control, which reacts faster than before and now adjusts the suspension up to 1,000 times per second. Chevy said the new design “uses new twin-wire/dual-coil dampers at all four corners. The smaller dual-coil system--with one coil at either end of the damper--replaces the larger single-coil design of the previous generation.

“The new design allows even more precise control of the electrical current and magnetic flux, allowing greater range than before between the softest setting for ride comfort and the firmest setting for track driving.”

Meanwhile, the latest version of Performance Traction Management is also present, with five settings spanning conditions from “wet” to “race.”

From a driver-interface standpoint, the decision to adopt electronic power steering might appear an odd choice for an overpowering, rear-drive performance car, but team Camaro insisted that the system is the best solution for controlling such a powerful automobile at speed while also making it comfortable for drivers at relatively low speeds in “real-world” scenarios. “Hydraulic steering wasn't going to get it done,” Oppenheiser said.

Likewise, he stressed that the optional, six-speed Hydra-Matic 6L90 automatic gearbox is “not for poseurs who don't know how to shift.” We'll almost always choose the six-speed Tremec manual transmission, but at least the auto box has been built for performance, with three different driving modes including a “manual” setting that only shifts when a driver commands it; automatic upshifts will not occur even at the engine's redline, and we were promised that it will select and hold the appropriate low gear into corners in order to match the manual-equipped ZL1's performance.

“Contrary to what we could have done [by taking the easy way out with a simple, off-the-shelf transmission], the automatic is not a compromise,” Oppenheiser said. “We spent a lot of time working on it for the track.”

Other ZL1 items of note include Brembo brakes (six-piston front, four-piston rear), an active exhaust system like the one featured on the Corvette, and aerodynamic elements including a “belly pan” beneath the car (Chevy would not reveal final downforce numbers). Variable stiffness halfshafts, and strengthened joints and suspension parts are intended to help reduce wheel hop under acceleration. As for rubber, Goodyear designed ZL1-specific Eagle F1 tires (285/35 ZR20 front, 305/35 ZR20 rear).

Chevy still will not confirm final details such as price (expected to fall in the low $50,000-range) or production numbers--figure on about 5,000 ZL1s built per year in General Motors' Oshawa, Ontario, assembly plant. But from what we've seen at this point, the Camaro ZL1 has plenty to look forward to when first drives occur in about two months--test drives timed to coincide with dealerships opening their books for orders. The preliminary spec sheet, like the Corvette's, promises top-notch speed, ride and handling at the limit, while also enough comfort for daily driving and road trips.

Speaking of which, we have reason to expect that fans who make the trip to Florida's Homestead-Miami Speedway for NASCAR's Sprint Cup Series season finale in November might well find themselves on hand for the definitive ZL1 production car's official public debut.

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Old 09-09-2011, 03:42 AM   #61
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Old 09-09-2011, 03:43 AM   #62
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dont turn around OH UH OH!! Da ZL1's in Town OH UH OHHHH!!!
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Old 09-09-2011, 03:45 AM   #63
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Can you run your engine for a week and a half (straight) at wide open throttle without failure? Because the LSA can. Does your engine have a 5 yr, 100k mile power train warranty? The LSA has one. Does your engine meet factory emissions standards in every state? The LSA does.

GM has far more to think about than just adding more power.
No one runs any engine "wide open" for any extended period of time
Don't need to pass emissions in "every" state only need to pass in one


Don't get it confused I love the car I just think they could have done more with similar mods and gotten more power out of it
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people worry too damn much on details... what ever happened to havin a sweet lookng car just cause its FUN TO DRIVE!?!?
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CANNOT WAIT! for a 1/4 mile time, Nuburgring time, & to see this car in person! If I owned one it would be in mode 5 all day!

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people worry too damn much on details... what ever happened to havin a sweet lookng car just cause its FUN TO DRIVE!?!?
That's the reason V6 Camaro's exist because people want fun to drive cars but I agree so much with you.
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people worry too damn much on details... what ever happened to havin a sweet lookng car just cause its FUN TO DRIVE!?!?
nothing wrong with that at all
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I'm sure that Ford already knows the exact specs of the ZL1. And who cares? Let em know.
I would be nice if the ZL1 were top dog for a little while. But I have a feeling the Ford already has something planned. It sucks because the Camaro can never be too powerful since GM will not want it cutting into Corvette sales. But the Ford has no Corvette competitor so the Mustang has no performance limit.
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I would be nice if the ZL1 were top dog for a little while. But I have a feeling the Ford already has something planned. It sucks because the Camaro can never be too powerful since GM will not want it cutting into Corvette sales. But the Ford has no Corvette competitor so the Mustang has no performance limit.
I'm sure they are already seeing how to make the GT500 faster/better already
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haha the zl1 will have to catch up with my 700hp whipple s/c monster sure the mustang will have something similar but the wheels are a bunch or sorry bull shit, 4 both cars lol
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i mean HP HP HP HP HP HP HP HP HP HP power power.. UNLIMITED POOWAA!!! everyone wants to go faster than each other.. Im working on a prototype plan for the first YEAR ROUND INDOOR DRAG strip... as well as a few other ideas.. my SS is a cruiser.. ill agree i was a bit of a hypocrite csause i wanted to go faster.. but im not obsessed with HP ratings.. dependability is my focus.. all these cars are made to break down after 3 years.. and Chevy will never run out of ideas.. they could just bring the EXPORT models here.. im in south Korea.. and im in love with a nice ass SUV called the chevy CAPTIVA.. google it.. lol hell even the CRUZE they decked out in white here and looks good slammed with nice wheels and a flat black roof
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Man! I was off by 10 horses I wonder why there is no torque change? Still... this is where I am feeling fantastic to be wrong! Can't wait for this mother to come out!
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More Power! Hopefully you can just pull a fuse like the Vet to keep the "Active Exhaust" Open all the time?
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