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Old 10-17-2011, 04:11 PM   #51
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Exactly.
I'll eat my words if it starts at $60+k.
Sorry to tell you, but I need it to start about $55 in order to get it for $60 out the door with the Automatic, sales tax, and GGuzzler tax. Never mind the Polished rims, Carbon Fiber Hood, "First Place Finish" the dealer adds, and whatever that make it approach high 60's........

As much as I'd like to have a happy face I'm nervous.


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Old 10-17-2011, 04:30 PM   #52
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Actually Jay first says "Under 100" then quickly says "Under 75". It was just a number he quickly pulled out of the air. Geez, calm down people. GM will price it against its competition.
No he said 75k because that's the cost of a z06, and the zl1 will not be faster than the z06!
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Old 10-17-2011, 04:43 PM   #53
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Actually Jay first says "Under 100" then quickly says "Under 75". It was just a number he quickly pulled out of the air. Geez, calm down people. GM will price it against its competition.

Jay was clearly not told prior what to say or what not to say in the video, nor was Mark..
Even the 177MPH was pulled out of the air, and he was not 100% certain that the car has 20 inch wheels... Jay even thought Mark was the one that made the Ring times in the car...
The $75k figure is non relative...
Calm down people...
Take the video for what it was.... Don't try to read into it something that is was not...
End of rant... (hopefully)
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Some people are showing they cannot do that very well.......

...take a chill.... Pricing will be affordable... relax.....
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Old 10-17-2011, 05:00 PM   #54
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Old 10-17-2011, 05:21 PM   #55
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It would be interesting to see GM's actual marketing information and surveys with respect to the ZL1. I think that GM is trying to expand its customer base with the ZL1 and is not just relying on current Chevy loyalists to purchase the ZL1.

I'm not so sure there are a large number of potential ZL1 customers that GM can count on based solely on brand loyalty, especially at likely ZL1 prices. I think there is a relatively limited market for a Camaro with an MSRP over $50K, and with each $1K price increment over $50K, the pool of potential Camaro buyers shrinks. I think that there are many potential ZL1 buyers who are Chevy loyalists who will be stretching to make the purchase with a price in the the low to mid $50K's, and if it's priced much beyond that, those buyers will be forced to purchase a different vehicle.

There are the potential ZL1 buyers who can afford the vehicle at whatever price, but are wiling to (or who have a boss that will let them) pay only so much for a Camaro (remember the difficulty there was in selling the 9560 COPOs). Of those buyers, those who want a 2+2 vehicle will not purchase a Corvette. Some may purchase a CTS-V, but some will likely purchase a GT500, and I think that many will opt for a Porsche, BMW, or Mercedes.

There are some Chevy enthusiasts who won't buy a Ford, and vice-versa, but I think those individuals make up a very small percentage of the automobile buying public. One may tend to get a skewed view of those loyalist percentages if one tends to frequent enthusiast sites.
I agree, to a point, that the ZL1 may attract buyers who might have otherwise never considered a Camaro, but I still contend that a bulk of buyers will be GM loyalists. I imagine the market will be similar to what was seen with the GT500 a few years back. While there were some crossover buyers, especially after the first couple of years of production, the VAST majority of people who bought them were Ford/Mustang diehards. Same happened with the Challenger. Of course, the economic situation was different then, so it's a shame that GM waited so long to get this car into production, as the economy is sure to have an effect on how many buyers there are for this car.

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That'll probably be the route I have to go if we're talking that kind of money. I was really hoping for a different senario, but it is what it is. That price doesn't sound bad at all for that 'V.



I'd like to see how their brains are ticking. I'm just not seeing what it seems like they might be seeing. I don't have a real pulse on the market, but I wonder how many buyer would laugh at the thought of a +$60K CAMARO...
Probably as many that laughed at the idea of a $45K Mustang back in 2006/2007? Didn't seem to keep Ford from selling them like hotcakes though.
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Old 10-17-2011, 05:39 PM   #56
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Yeah it had the black diamond package with black wheels, yellow calipers, and recaro seats. It was funny, I had told her if she could find one under $55k I'd buy that instead. Luckily she didn't make me hold true to it. Not to mention, I'm from WI and that was in Texas, although if in the market for one, it would have been worth the trip.

I just did a search for it and it's understandably gone but found a thunder gray Chromaflair with 514 miles for $56999. It's no black diamond but still nice. Here's the link: http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false
You were lucky to get out of that one. I have waited almost two years for this car. Another month or so will not matter at this point.
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Old 10-17-2011, 05:41 PM   #57
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Jedi, you are on target with this one. For mid 60's you can have a CTS-V, and for under $75 you can get it loaded. No need to talk about the pampering the CTS-V would provide. Have you seen the drivers "seat extensions" that are available on it? They make the seat under your thigh extend further out to support your legs on those long trips! A nice touch.
The CTS-V is a very, very nice car. Hopefully Chevy will keep the ZL1 affordable for all of us. We should know in about a month.
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Old 10-17-2011, 05:49 PM   #58
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I told you folks this Camaro ZL1 is going to be Expensive... I think the $75,000 was a subtle hint at what the MSRP is going to be.. Think about it, if the car was in the $50,000 something dollar range why didn't the quote say "for under $60,000"... Details, details.... Don't hold your breath for the $48,000 MSRP sticker...LoL



I'm sure this car is going to be out of my price range...
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Old 10-17-2011, 06:06 PM   #59
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I told you folks this Camaro ZL1 is going to be Expensive... I think the $75,000 was a subtle hint at what the MSRP is going to be.. Think about it, if the car was in the $50,000 something dollar range why didn't the quote say "for under $60,000"... Details, details.... Don't hold your breath for the $48,000 MSRP sticker...LoL
I doubt that the ZL1's MSRP will be anywhere near $75,000. The reason that the quote didn't indicate "for under $60,000" is that GM wants to indicate the price that one must pay in order to obtain a vehicle that is faster than the ZL1. If the ZL1 was the fastest vehicle under $150,000, then the quote would have reflected that price even though the ZL1 will not be priced anywhere near that amount. My guess is that the Z06 is faster than the ZL1, and that is why the $75,000 price was used in the quote.
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Old 10-17-2011, 06:10 PM   #60
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no way 75k

mustang fully loaded is around 56k
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Old 10-17-2011, 06:13 PM   #61
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I just wonder whats going to happen when we pre order these on the
29th and some people are priced out of the market for one. I suppose
refund on deposit and the dealer can probably change the order to the
factory for the next customer. Of course this would have to be around
mid November when they announce the MSRP and I would imagine the
costs of the options.
If these cars start to get over 60k out the door its going to be a budget
buster for some at least the 2012 model.
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Old 10-17-2011, 06:13 PM   #62
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I still think it's a subtle hint that this car is by No Means going to be Cheap and it is No Way going to start @ $48,000 MSRP... I do think the $75,000 statement is probably Overkill but I do believe this car will run about $60,000... I would like to be wrong but who knows...


Maybe not a Starting MSRP of $75,000 but if you have a starting MSRP of about $55,000 and have numerous "options", that I'm sure GM will offer on the ZL1 and if you choose a well optioned ZL1, I could see this car running close to that.. Doesn't Chevy/GM have a few wheel options for the 2011 Camaro that price out at about $5,000 ???
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Old 10-17-2011, 06:24 PM   #63
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I had read months ago, and I'm hoping the starting price is still about $50,000. Base LT Camaro $21,000, Base SS $34,000, Base ZL1 $47,000 - rough numbers.I guess we'll have to wait and see.

That being said, we've seen 2LT/RS's loaded go for above $32,000, we've seen loaded 2SS/RS's go for $42,000 and we will prob see loaded ZL1's going for $60,000+
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No way in Hell GM is going to have a starting MSRP @ $47,000, not with all the Technology involved and surely not with the recent "Ring times which the ZL1 is now in Super Car territory... It ain't gonna happen in the $47,000 range, you will be lucky if it starts around $53,000 and wait until they post the Drag 1/4 mile times in a week or 2 and if it is in the 11s range, I will be asured it will start at about $57,000, easily...
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That CTS-V is looking more and more attractive everyday (;
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some please contact me! im anxious! 423 650 0051 name is drake! we need to talk about this! ?
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No way in Hell GM is going to have a starting MSRP @ $47,000, not with all the Technology involved and surely not with the recent "Ring times which the ZL1 is now in Super Car territory... It ain't gonna happen in the $47,000 range, you will be lucky if it starts around $53,000 and wait until they post the Drag 1/4 mile times in a week or 2 and if it is in the 11s range, I will be asured it will start at about $57,000, easily...
I have to disagree. We know GM's profit margin is higher on the SS models over the V6. Why? Because the majority of the Camaro is the same. The difference is the SS has 2 more cylinders, and a beefier drive train and suspension. Remember GM rolls a Camaro out the door for sale starting at 23K. You think GM's cost is way higher making a A-arm for a V8 than a V6? Probably very little. The technology in the ZL1 was borrowed from other GM cars already on the road...drive train from Cadillac and suspension tech from the Vette. Obviously things were tweaked and tuned specifically for the ZL1, but its not like it has the newest gen tech. But I am fine with that. I expect the Cadillac's and Corvette's to have the newest and hottest. That is part of the price tag. I bet the ZL1 could start at $51-52k, and GM could still make a great margin on it.

I'm not trying to knock what GM is done at all...but this close to Christmas, everyone is getting quite giddy it seems. I will be in line for a ZL1 if the price is what I consider reasonable.
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I haven't heard any - but I think she is going to be under 70k. Mid 60 at most. I think they put 75k and under to include the price of the z06 - and the zl1 is faster.
Way off base, the ZL1 is intended to compete for the GT500's market share and it will not do this above ~55k base price. The GT500 is 48k base but with performance upgrades that match what the zl1 has base it pushes to around 53k.

Do not expect to see this car priced above 60k base at the very highest and honestly if it gets that high then it's getting into CTS-V territory..
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you guys are right i said this since day one... it is in competion with the GT500... price and performance... if it was anywhere near the price of high 60's and 70's then they have to say in competion with the gs vette,cts-v, or zo6... meaning it couldnt possibly be in competion with the GT500... that is how market works period... such as bmw and mercedes they are in competion bc they are priced equally or close to in each class... its simple marketing...
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you cant compete with a car if you dump more money into bc that brings you in a WHOLE different class!
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Way off base, the ZL1 is intended to compete for the GT500's market share and it will not do this above ~55k base price. The GT500 is 48k base but with performance upgrades that match what the zl1 has base it pushes to around 53k.
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you guys are right i said this since day one... it is in competion with the GT500
Who say's the GT500 is the competition? Maybe they are just trying to make a BA car??
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this came from GM itself... its all over the internet and when GM intially presented this car back in feb... go watch on youtube... he is the designer of the ZL1
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Thanks Jay, you never disapoint.

You got to figure GM knows people can build their own. Most of the upgrades they are putting on the ZL1 can be easily picked up and put on any Camaro. I think they will stay within reason. All I want is that hood!!!

Loaded SS $40,000
Super Charger $7000
Wheels and brakes $4000
Exhaust $1000
Suspension $2000
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Ext mods $1000
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Just because they can $2000
New ZL1 $60,000 My eduemecated guess.
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