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Old 10-17-2011, 08:16 PM   #71
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Way off base, the ZL1 is intended to compete for the GT500's market share and it will not do this above ~55k base price. The GT500 is 48k base but with performance upgrades that match what the zl1 has base it pushes to around 53k.
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you guys are right i said this since day one... it is in competion with the GT500
Who say's the GT500 is the competition? Maybe they are just trying to make a BA car??
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Old 10-17-2011, 08:17 PM   #72
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this came from GM itself... its all over the internet and when GM intially presented this car back in feb... go watch on youtube... he is the designer of the ZL1
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Old 10-17-2011, 08:34 PM   #73
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Thanks for posting, I love Jay Leno, what a cool guy.........
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Thanks Jay, you never disapoint.

You got to figure GM knows people can build their own. Most of the upgrades they are putting on the ZL1 can be easily picked up and put on any Camaro. I think they will stay within reason. All I want is that hood!!!

Loaded SS $40,000
Super Charger $7000
Wheels and brakes $4000
Exhaust $1000
Suspension $2000
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Ext mods $1000
Int mods $1000
Just because they can $2000
New ZL1 $60,000 My eduemecated guess.
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Old 10-17-2011, 09:53 PM   #75
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you cant compete with a car if you dump more money into bc that brings you in a WHOLE different class!
Well said... It is simple but yet right on....
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Old 10-17-2011, 10:26 PM   #76
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I didn't read through all of this thread......

Are we getting hung up on this 75k statement? Please tell me "no"....:(

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Thanks Jay, you never disapoint.

You got to figure GM knows people can build their own. Most of the upgrades they are putting on the ZL1 can be easily picked up and put on any Camaro. I think they will stay within reason. All I want is that hood!!!

Loaded SS $40,000 Define "loaded"...2SS RS Hurst & polished wheels is $38500
Super Charger $7000 A better number would be the difference between the LSA and LS3...
Wheels and brakes $4000
Exhaust $1000
Suspension $2000The shocks are replaced with MR equipment (covered below), and the springs/sways shouldn't cost much more to make...they've just been reconfigured. What exactly costs two grand here?
Ride control $2000
Ext mods $1000
Int mods $1000
Just because they can $2000
New ZL1 $60,000 My eduemecated guess.
...If I may....


Cadillac CTS sport Coupe (3.6L, RWD): $39590
Chevy Camaro Coupe 2LT:.................$29250

Difference: $10,340...this is how much you're paying for the "Cadillac version" of an otherwise very similar vehicle...

Now...

Caddy CTS-V Coupe: $64090
$64090 - $10,340 = $53,750
This poster's estimated MSRP of new ZL1: $54,000

Figure on a few things to back that up,

The automatic transmission (a good 1200 dollar option, is no-cost on a CTS-V, so that charge is buried in there somewhere...The GT500 Mustang with the SVT performance package is right around $54,000 dollars, and if history repeats itself...the Camaro team likes to offer more standard features than Ford at a comparable price as their optioned-up vehicles.

When a manufacturer builds things...they don't build ala carte like you or I would from the aftermarket...for everything they upgrade...the cost of the inferior, removed equipment is subtracted, so you only ever have a net cost increase (even when considering profit...)...for example...the Eagle F1 tires are not $1700 extra compared to an SS (using retail prices)...they'd be $800 more because you need to subtract the now-removed $900 Pirellis...

Also...at 60,000 starting price (that's what I'm assuming we're all talking about here)...you're well over a Grand Sport Corvette with options...within spitting distance of the MUCH more luxurious CTS-V...and awful close to countless other perceived "very fast cars" out there...and I don't know the last time a manufacturer-sanctioned Nurburgring lap time became a value-added selling point, because as much as I love the ZL1...that's all it's really got over the CTS-V...

In short...I simply don't believe it'll start at 60k. Is the performance package worth it? YES! It'd be worth it at $100,000...but it's not a BMW, or an Audi, or a Porsche, or a whatever...They've put way too much development work into this car (imvho) to waste their time and trying to sell it at a higher-than-necessary price.

But maybe I'm wrong...maybe Chevy doesn't stand for value anymore...perhaps we're all going to be told "you can't have it" when we see the MSRP...
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Old 10-17-2011, 10:43 PM   #77
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Thank you Dragoneye, a very well thought out and logical post.

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Old 10-17-2011, 10:50 PM   #78
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anymore...perhaps we're all going to be told "you can't have it" when we see the MSRP...
Dear chevy,
Time to cancel the 53 members from the ordering list. Can't have it...
LOL... too expensive...
and then...you did WHAT with my deposit???


Its about time we can laugh at these outrageous price speculations...

I am just going to believe the opposite of the price speculation and be done with it.
If this car is 75k ill be the first to eat crow and buy a Grand Sport...
and I don't even care for buying my first vette...
whhheeehhhhhh...
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good analysis.

[QUOTE=[B]Dragoneye[/B];3896448]Are we getting hung up on this 75k statement? Please tell me "no"....:(
...If I may....
Cadillac CTS sport Coupe (3.6L, RWD): $39590
Chevy Camaro Coupe 2LT:.................$29250

Difference: $10,340...this is how much you're paying for the "Cadillac version" of an otherwise very similar vehicle...

Now...

Caddy CTS-V Coupe: $64090
$64090 - $10,340 = $53,750
This poster's estimated MSRP of new ZL1: $54,000


Also...at 60,000 starting price (that's what I'm assuming we're all talking about here)...you're well over a Grand Sport Corvette with options...within spitting distance of the MUCH more luxurious CTS-V...and awful close to countless other perceived "very fast cars" out there...and I don't know the last time a manufacturer-sanctioned Nurburgring lap time became a value-added selling point, because as much as I love the ZL1...that's all it's really got over the CTS-V...

In short...I simply don't believe it'll start at 60k. Is the performance package worth it? YES! It'd be worth it at $100,000...but it's not a BMW, or an Audi, or a Porsche, or a whatever...They've put way too much development work into this car (imvho) to waste their time and trying to sell it at a higher-than-necessary price.

But maybe I'm wrong...maybe Chevy doesn't stand for value anymore...perhaps we're all going to be told "you can't have it" when we see the MSRP...[/QUOTE]
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Old 10-17-2011, 11:05 PM   #80
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Loved the Leno ZL1 clip. Good to see an effective ZL1 burnout (launch control off). I'm with Fishersmoke's estimate of $60K base price per copy. I still like my 1SS at half the price. For me the SS hits the sweetspot of performance and value. ZL1 is an amazing big brother to the SS for sure. So when will we see the Z28 and what will be the price point? Anyone want to take a guess at the Z28 base price?
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I didn't read through all of this thread......

Are we getting hung up on this 75k statement? Please tell me "no"....:(



...If I may....


Cadillac CTS sport Coupe (3.6L, RWD): $39590
Chevy Camaro Coupe 2LT:.................$29250

Difference: $10,340...this is how much you're paying for the "Cadillac version" of an otherwise very similar vehicle...

Now...

Caddy CTS-V Coupe: $64090
$64090 - $10,340 = $53,750
This poster's estimated MSRP of new ZL1: $54,000

Figure on a few things to back that up,

The automatic transmission (a good 1200 dollar option, is no-cost on a CTS-V, so that charge is buried in there somewhere...The GT500 Mustang with the SVT performance package is right around $54,000 dollars, and if history repeats itself...the Camaro team likes to offer more standard features than Ford at a comparable price as their optioned-up vehicles.

When a manufacturer builds things...they don't build ala carte like you or I would from the aftermarket...for everything they upgrade...the cost of the inferior, removed equipment is subtracted, so you only ever have a net cost increase (even when considering profit...)...for example...the Eagle F1 tires are not $1700 extra compared to an SS (using retail prices)...they'd be $800 more because you need to subtract the now-removed $900 Pirellis...

Also...at 60,000 starting price (that's what I'm assuming we're all talking about here)...you're well over a Grand Sport Corvette with options...within spitting distance of the MUCH more luxurious CTS-V...and awful close to countless other perceived "very fast cars" out there...and I don't know the last time a manufacturer-sanctioned Nurburgring lap time became a value-added selling point, because as much as I love the ZL1...that's all it's really got over the CTS-V...

In short...I simply don't believe it'll start at 60k. Is the performance package worth it? YES! It'd be worth it at $100,000...but it's not a BMW, or an Audi, or a Porsche, or a whatever...They've put way too much development work into this car (imvho) to waste their time and trying to sell it at a higher-than-necessary price.

But maybe I'm wrong...maybe Chevy doesn't stand for value anymore...perhaps we're all going to be told "you can't have it" when we see the MSRP...
Very well put!
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Nice job of making an "educated guess" at the MSRP dragoneye. Ur guess reflects intelligence...unlike most of the speculators out there just throwing out numbers. I for one am 100% confident and willing to bet everything I own that the ZL1 will have a base price under $60k for the simple fact of competition. The ZL1 is going after th the GT500's throat. Makes no sense to price yourself far from your direct competition. That is the key point people need to remember. The 2nd key point is the simple fact of performance and the cts-v offers very similar performance with much more luxury and at $64k chevy will want to stay away from that market line and not cannibalize itself (so to speak) at the end it's still GM. Look at the price gap between the mustang gt and gt500 or eveb better the boss 302 and the gt500 (both are track beasts) and you can see they are priced within $10k. So if chevy does make a z28 aimed at the boss 302 they need to be able to price it in the $45k base range to be competitive...everything should fall in line as ford and chevy battle put their muscle car supremacy to the end
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With Jay Leno doing the talking - he can really sell this car! Plus, love him driving it too at the end of the video. Nice. I have to see what it looks like and sounds like in person and then decide if I want one. I still do not like the stacked hood vents! Hopefully, the scoop hood will be an optional alternative.
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Exclamation Attention...do your HOMEwork...

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I still think it's a subtle hint that this car is by No Means going to be Cheap and it is No Way going to start @ $48,000 MSRP... I do think the $75,000 statement is probably Overkill but I do believe this car will run about $60,000... I would like to be wrong but who knows...


Maybe not a Starting MSRP of $75,000 but if you have a starting MSRP of about $55,000 and have numerous "options", that I'm sure GM will offer on the ZL1 and if you choose a well optioned ZL1, I could see this car running close to that.. Doesn't Chevy/GM have a few wheel options for the 2011 Camaro that price out at about $5,000 ???
Please go do your homework before you start making statements that are baseless...this is the second time that you declared something that is pure . Sorry, I had to raise the flag on this guy.
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