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Old 10-19-2011, 10:21 PM   #176
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So let me get this right...you think tires and a O/R exhaust is going to pickup 1.5 seconds in the quarter mile? You are setting yourself up for disappointment. Low 12's at best with a good driver.

Last I checked my car inspection is current and registered meaning it is street legal. I drive it to the track, run it and drive home. It doesn't get more streetable than that.

I find it halarious that I daily drive a full on race car. I guarantee your Camaro peers are running O/R exhuasts on the street and bias ply tires at the strip. Oh and btw, The ET Streets I was running at the track are a DOT street legal tire.
If you can pull a really good 60 ft you'll soon be in the 9's with your real fast 5.0 liter mustang. You may be the first mustang on earth to smoke a top fuel with that coyote !!!!
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Old 10-19-2011, 11:22 PM   #177
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If you can pull a really good 60 ft you'll soon be in the 9's with your real fast 5.0 liter mustang. You may be the first mustang on earth to smoke a top fuel with that coyote !!!!
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Old 10-19-2011, 11:57 PM   #178
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So let me get this right...you think tires and a O/R exhaust is going to pickup 1.5 seconds in the quarter mile? You are setting yourself up for disappointment. Low 12's at best with a good driver.

Last I checked my car inspection is current and registered meaning it is street legal. I drive it to the track, run it and drive home. It doesn't get more streetable than that.

I find it halarious that I daily drive a full on race car. I guarantee your Camaro peers are running O/R exhuasts on the street and bias ply tires at the strip. Oh and btw, The ET Streets I was running at the track are a DOT street legal tire.
Ok you win. I lose.
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Old 10-20-2011, 12:56 AM   #179
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If you can pull a really good 60 ft you'll soon be in the 9's with your real fast 5.0 liter mustang. You may be the first mustang on earth to smoke a top fuel with that coyote !!!!
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Ok you win. I lose.

I'll go back to my quote for you guys:

"First they deny, then they fail."

What a shame.
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Old 10-20-2011, 07:20 AM   #180
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I'll go back to my quote for you guys:

"First they deny, then they fail."

What a shame.
I fail,,,I loose,,,I will admit ,,I will not deny. Your mustang is unquestionably the best and fastest thing on god given earth. ,,,,,,please,it hurts me when you say the deny and fail thing. ONE MORE TIME,,,,I HAVE FAILED,,,,,I DRIVE A BIG FAT SLOW LS3 CAMARO THAT WILL NEVER,NEVER,NEVER IN ANY WAY OUT RUN A MUSTANG. AND MY CAMARO IS VERY UGLY !! YOU ARE SO LUCKY AND FORTUNATE TO HAVE THAT COYOTE.
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Old 10-20-2011, 07:42 AM   #181
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I've honestly never heard of a car picking up a full 1.5 seconds with a Tire and an O/R Pipe.....I guess you learn something new every day, haha.
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Old 10-20-2011, 10:14 AM   #182
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I've honestly never heard of a car picking up a full 1.5 seconds with a Tire and an O/R Pipe.....I guess you learn something new every day, haha.
Or a car picking up nearly 1 full second with nothing more than a E85 tune, lol
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Old 10-20-2011, 11:19 AM   #183
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Or a car picking up nearly 1 full second with nothing more than a E85 tune, lol

Why wouldn't it?

E85 is basically race gas... AND the fact the 5.0 with that E85 tune in question had tires too.

The argument of picking up 1.5 seconds with a tire is stupid.

Explain this.

My 07 GT makes 407 RWHP, weighs 3800+ lbs with me in it. It's an Auto, non-intercooled Centri blown car, Stock Headers, stock suspension, 3.31 gears, and crappy goodyear eagle F1 tires. It ran consistent 12.2-12.3 @ 113. So, with the logic of a "tire dropping 1.5 seconds, since my 07 already has an O/R pipe" my GT should be running 10's right?

I don't think so....

A lot of people need more track time before they start throwing insane estimates on time and what a mod will do. At most, a Camaro with an O/R Pipe, and a tire without a tune will run 12.1-12.2 @ 114-115 in great weather with a great driver. It will not run mid 11's @ 117-118 with only those two modifications.
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Old 10-20-2011, 11:55 AM   #184
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Yessir and thank you. I am driving and friend is filming.

Bolt-on's only running in 2,500' DA with a terrible 1.68 60'.

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Since have moved over to e85, 3.90 rear gear, revised tune and Weld RTS wheels with Hoosier full slicks. I expect some low 11's when I hit the track again in November.

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Old 10-20-2011, 12:06 PM   #185
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Why wouldn't it?


A lot of people need more track time before they start throwing insane estimates on time and what a mod will do. At most, a Camaro with an O/R Pipe, and a tire without a tune will run 12.1-12.2 @ 114-115 in great weather with a great driver. It will not run mid 11's @ 117-118 with only those two modifications.
I agree 100% but who knows with the special E85 tune
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Old 10-20-2011, 12:11 PM   #186
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I agree 100% but who knows with the special E85 tune

You are forgetting, it wasn't just a tune.

The car was tuned, which probably made 400-415 RWHP, and had DRAG RADIALS.

The Fastest SS to date was a 12.58 with a GREAT Driver, in near Perfect Weather. I doubt a Tire and a O/R Pipe will drop a full second off of a 1/4 mile and increase trap speed 4-5 MPH.
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Old 10-20-2011, 09:03 PM   #187
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I fail,,,I loose,,,I will admit ,,I will not deny. Your mustang is unquestionably the best and fastest thing on god given earth. ,,,,,,please,it hurts me when you say the deny and fail thing. ONE MORE TIME,,,,I HAVE FAILED,,,,,I DRIVE A BIG FAT SLOW LS3 CAMARO THAT WILL NEVER,NEVER,NEVER IN ANY WAY OUT RUN A MUSTANG. AND MY CAMARO IS VERY UGLY !! YOU ARE SO LUCKY AND FORTUNATE TO HAVE THAT COYOTE.
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Old 10-21-2011, 01:01 AM   #188
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I know Shaun. He and I have traded PM's on another site quite a few times.

His 11.54 run was in 500' DA whereas the 11.63 run I made was in 2,500' DA. No doubt their shop car runs good for what he has done.

I am hoping for low 11's and will go from there for 10's. It all boils down to getting a good 60' time.


He gained 4mph last night by "porting the intake manifold" and running 100 octane vs e85. He could be in the 10's next time considering he picked up 4mph but only 2 tenths.

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He gained 4mph last night by "porting the intake manifold" and running 100 octane vs e85. He could be in the 10's next time considering he picked up 4mph but only 2 tenths.

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Actually he gained 2MPH over a previous run of 11.54@116 which included the ported stock intake and O/R H-pipe. We chatted extensively about it because I felt his MPH was off. He was using the stock fronts vs. skinnies and was running out of injector for the e85.

His 11.44 run was on race gas with skinnies on the front. For 10's he is going to need more power as he has reached his limit.

DA was around 500' which I would love to have here. The 11.63@118 I ran was in 2,500' DA.

Nice times on his side for sure.
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Old 10-23-2011, 09:19 AM   #190
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Thanks! I believe it is in the top 5 N/A M6 cars in the country atm.

Shaun@AED and JJ@WMS both have gone quicker. 11.54 and 11.12 respectively. The most up2date list can be found here:

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/f...4/index34.html

Most of the top bolt-on cars are autos.
damn. those things are going to be competeing with the top bolt on ls1 cars soon.
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I believe torque managnent was killing us that night, when launching the car would take off and fall flat on it's face.
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Old 10-24-2011, 06:28 AM   #191
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Are you going to be putting "drag tires" on your stock 20" rims or on dedicated set of 18's? I heard 18" C6 Z06 rims fit nicely.

Since your axles/ rear suspension is stock are you going to be worried about breaking with a dead hook from your stickies.

Most modified SS owners I talk to here are very concerned about breaking with the added traction that comes with "drag tires" until they have done all the proper supporting mods, some go as far as doing a 9" swap. I think you should be ok at your hp level with upgraded shafts, center section, bushings, braces, and suspension otherwise its just gonna be a matter of time before you break.
Actually, if you have the automatic there is no concern. I`m running completely stock suspension and drag radials. Now the Mn6 is a different story. Auto`s preload the drivetrain and I have zero hop on a 1.61 60 foot on the way to high 10`s, low 11`s.. Looking to break my personal best this friday, air looks awesome and its a track rental. Looking for 10.7x`s hopefully, need a converter to best the top stock internal L99 record at 10.52 though.
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Old 10-25-2011, 03:18 PM   #193
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I can't wait to line up with some 5th gen camaros and have some fun. Raced my brothers 04 GTO and it wasn't even close.

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Old 11-04-2011, 10:55 AM   #194
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To my dismay, I did read in a couple magazines and on some shows on SPEED that the camaro and mustang handling didnt have much of a difference and in some cases the mustang had slightly better lap times.

It is definitely a downside that its more expensive, when they announced that v6's and v8's would have IRS, I was worried GM wouldnt be able to sell any of them cause of the price increases. But it worked out apparently
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Thought this was fun... was at the track last Friday with some friends... One of them had their new 5.0... with just a tune and some DRs...



best was 12.1@114....
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:22 PM   #196
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I can't wait to line up with some 5th gen camaros and have some fun. Raced my brothers 04 GTO and it wasn't even close.

id be upset for you if you didnt kill the 04 gto 350hp to 412 and your lighter unless he was modded than very nice job on the win
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:35 PM   #197
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Thought this was fun... was at the track last Friday with some friends... One of them had their new 5.0... with just a tune and some DRs...



best was 12.1@114....
That car has an exhaust too.
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That car has an exhaust too.
I am sure it did, why do all these stupid mustang guys come on GM sites posting this crap I here this crap all the time from a handfull of mustang nut swingers! This guy ran 11.80s with just a tune and intake, like anyone believes that... but he forgot to mention the race stars wheels, wight reduction and tires I find it funny that everytime I have been to the track and seen these 5.0s run there not ANY faster then the 5th gens! I still have yet to even see one break into the 11s with bolt-ons and tires So were are they all at... I only see them on the internet Last time I was out there was a 5.0 with a tune, full exhaust, intake, ported TB and mickys on back... He said his best time before the tires was 12.80! He was running 12.30s, but I guess hes just that much slower everyone else
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That car has an exhaust too.
Nope...

"My car - 2012 GT, 5.0, MT82 6 speed, 3.55's, canned VMP 93 tune, stock air box, 275/60-15 MT ET Street radials, stock 19" front tires. That's it."

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"My car - 2012 GT, 5.0, MT82 6 speed, 3.55's, canned VMP 93 tune, stock air box, 275/60-15 MT ET Street radials, stock 19" front tires. That's it."

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That still doesn't look like the stock exhaust to me. Look how much it sticks out behind the rear valance, there's no way that's the stock exhaust.
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