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Old 11-10-2011, 12:33 PM   #69
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After watching videos of the ATS I would have to disagree.
The same developers of the ZL1 are here talking about how Cadillac needs to be above and beyond anything else they have today.
I don't understand how that makes a difference. They're always trying to make tomorrow better than today. ATS is Alpha based and next generation, while the 2012 ZL1 will be Zeta based. There could very well be both a -V and ZL1 on the Alpha platform as well, but I still see the -V as the ZL1 of the Caddy.
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Old 11-10-2011, 12:36 PM   #70
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Does increased downforce, which helps decrease drag, improve fuel economy?
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Old 11-10-2011, 12:41 PM   #71
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Does increased downforce, which helps decrease drag, improve fuel economy?
Increased downforce will improve traction, but reduce fuel economy. Reduced drag will improve fuel economy, but it may not be enough to compensate for the increased downforce.
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Old 11-10-2011, 12:42 PM   #72
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I don't understand how that makes a difference. They're always trying to make tomorrow better than today. ATS is Alpha based and next generation, while the 2012 ZL1 will be Zeta based. There could very well be both a -V and ZL1 on the Alpha platform as well, but I still see the -V as the ZL1 of the Caddy.
I really don't think the platform matters as much as the market they are aiming for.
All I know, is what I have heard straight from the horses mouth. And after watching a few of the ATS videos, I think the ZL1 is in for some STIFF competition from Cadillac from the CTS-V AND the ATS.
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Old 11-10-2011, 12:46 PM   #73
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I really don't think the platform matters as much as the market they are aiming for.
All I know, is what I have heard straight from the horses mouth. And after watching a few of the ATS videos, I think the ZL1 is in for some STIFF competition from Cadillac from the CTS-V AND the ATS.
I can't argue with information I've not heard myself.. So, I have no comment there..

On the CTS-V and ATS being competition for the ZL1 -- I don't see it as too big of an issue.. They're different cars for different reasons.. All very nice, but still have different markets themselves. Though, I am glad that CTS/ATS are taking up the 4 Door segment.. I can only imagine the erruption of threads here if GM announced a Camaro Sedan..
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Old 11-10-2011, 12:51 PM   #74
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Yeah, he is a GM engineer. I knew his name but forgot it. Its on here somewhere though
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Old 11-10-2011, 12:55 PM   #75
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I can't argue with information I've not heard myself.. So, I have no comment there..

On the CTS-V and ATS being competition for the ZL1 -- I don't see it as too big of an issue.. They're different cars for different reasons.. All very nice, but still have different markets themselves. Though, I am glad that CTS/ATS are taking up the 4 Door segment.. I can only imagine the erruption of threads here if GM announced a Camaro Sedan..
The CTS-V also comes in a two door.
As I understand it, the ATS will be under the CTS but is based on performance, with a Turbo 2.0L a V6 and a V8.
And last I heard the 2.0L ran a Nurburgring time of 8:28. The V8's time has not been released yet.
I think the real importance of what is going on at Cadillac, is that the people who were expecting the ZL1's price to be high, will be wrong.
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Old 11-10-2011, 12:57 PM   #76
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Lots of people were saying it was Mark Reuss himself, but I think it actually was Kevin Zelenka who can be seen @0:37 in the video.
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"General Motors Engineer Aaron Link was the driver; he made 40 laps in three days."
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Lots of people were saying it was Mark Reuss himself, but I think it actually was Kevin Zelenka who can be seen @0:37 in the video.
The Camaro ZL1 used for the lap was a production-intent model, with no performance modifications, driven by Camaro Performance Engineer Aaron Link. The Camaro ZL1 recorded its time of 7:41.27 from a flying start.

From: http://media.gm.com/content/media/us...ct/1006_camaro

Mark made some laps, I'd be interested in knowing what his best time was.. I think it's great that he is so involved with the car.
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Old 11-10-2011, 01:18 PM   #79
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I was watching the video and noticed this can, does anyone have any idea as to what it is (catch can, test equipment?).

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I noticed that too! Looks a lot like a catch can, but with all that test equipment it is probably a housing for data collection hardware.
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"General Motors Engineer Aaron Link was the driver; he made 40 laps in three days."
Your right! I remember reading the part about running laps over 3 days, but couldn't remember the name. I really did think it was the other guy, maybe they all switch around?
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GREAT INFORMATION!!! Im' trying to figure out how to incorperate it into the FAQ
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GREAT INFORMATION!!! Im' trying to figure out how to incorperate it into the FAQ
Under Drivetrain & Performance make another red bold section labeled "Aerodynamics" or just add a media reference link labeled aerodynamics and downforce?

Just thinking in print. Great info.
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Aha.....
Now it makes sense.
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Does anybody know the Cd of the Camaro?
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Does anybody know the Cd of the Camaro?


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Here's a dedicated thread to talk about it. I'm curious to see what you guys think of it.

Camaro V6: .36
Camaro SS: .35

And a few cars to compare it to.

Mustang GT500: .38

Corvette Z06: .34

4thgen Camaro: .33

EDIT: and a poll for fun
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