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Old 10-28-2011, 11:53 AM   #26
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While only a concept, it borrows production components from both the Camaro SS and forthcoming Camaro ZL1 to deliver a competition-ready package.
Verbage sounds hauntingly familiar to another thread discussed here about the 26th letter of the alphabet with the numbers 2 and 8, doesn't it Lowdown?
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That would be cool. Or to see the SSX hit the showroom...... or both
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Old 10-28-2011, 12:20 PM   #28
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For the same reasons that the SSX and the 'track pack' are there
But according to the listing above the 1LE's built were Z28's first with a 1LE option added. In other words the 1LE's were Z28's+. Also wasn't the ZL1 information (before known to be a ZL1) in the Z28 threads not general?
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Old 10-28-2011, 02:50 PM   #29
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2cnd, don't get too hung up on, or put too-too much em-PHA-sis on the wrong sy-LAB-le, in all this rhetoric. The lead-in for the 1LE states, and I quote, “The Camaro 1LE concept is all about the track,” said Al Oppenheiser, chief engineer for the Camaro. “It’s an all-out race car package that pays tribute to that special option from the past.”

What they have on display is NOT the SSX, which is the closest they've got to "all-out race car package" (MR-excluded) that you'll NEVER buy off a Chevy showroom floor.

Is there a case for the 1LE? Likely.

Is it, fully, a "Z/28"? Not quite, in MY mind...

...but it's pretty damned close...just a little more "boil" in the boiler room, pleaZe!

Those 3 magic alpha-numerics, in my sig, would do jus' fine!
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Old 10-30-2011, 03:43 PM   #30
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Just get a 1LE, slap some Z/28 badges on it and call it day.
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Just get a 1LE, slap some Z/28 badges on it and call it day.
Epic Fail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 10-30-2011, 07:32 PM   #32
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If they don't build a 5th Gen Z28 and do build a 1LE I may buy one and add an LS7 and badge it a Z28 myself!!!
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I hope I don't strike any nerves....

But I'm sincerely wondering why some of us are restricting all Camaro history to the first generation cars when discussing the "should's and shouldn'ts of a Z28?

It is 2011, guys...Why couldn't the Z28 represent a modern take on its lineage through the 1LE package as-is....

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The 5th Gen is a reinterpretation of the 1st, hence the comparisons. Also the 2cnd Gen was the beginning of the theory that stickers make it faster.

Mainly why settle GM obviously doesn't.
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The 5th Gen is a reinterpretation of the 1st.
Only in design...and even there it borrowed from all generations...that's why I've always been confused why some (not necessarily anyone here) Camaro enthusiasts believe the first gens were the only "real Camaros" Seems mistaken to pigeon-hole the 5th gen like that, to me...
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I hope I don't strike any nerves....

But I'm sincerely wondering why some of us are restricting all Camaro history to the first generation cars when discussing the "should's and shouldn'ts of a Z28?

It is 2011, guys...Why couldn't the Z28 represent a modern take on its lineage through the 1LE package as-is....

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If the 1LE were renamed the Z28, or if we found out that they'll be offering it as an option package on the SS I think I'd be satisfied. But I'd be ecstatic if they came out with a Z28 with a good conventional suspension, a few ZL1 bits like brakes & tires, and an engine making power between the SS and the ZL1.
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I hope I don't strike any nerves....

But I'm sincerely wondering why some of us are restricting all Camaro history to the first generation cars when discussing the "should's and shouldn'ts of a Z28?

It is 2011, guys...Why couldn't the Z28 represent a modern take on its lineage through the 1LE package as-is....

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I just don't think the 1LE "as is" is quite a complete enough package to be this generations representative for a Z/28. The 1LE is a nice package but I think it needs more engine to be exactly right. And that's based on my honest feelings, not on other generations of the Camaro.
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If the 1LE were renamed the Z28, or if we found out that they'll be offering it as an option package on the SS I think I'd be satisfied. But I'd be ecstatic if they came out with a Z28 with a good conventional suspension, a few ZL1 bits like brakes & tires, and an engine making power between the SS and the ZL1.
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I just don't think the 1LE "as is" is quite a complete enough package to be this generations representative for a Z/28. The 1LE is a nice package but I think it needs more engine to be exactly right. And that's based on my honest feelings, not on other generations of the Camaro.
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These were the kinds of answers I was hoping to get. I read a lot of "The original Z/28 was this...." or "The intent of the first Z/28 was this...." And I'm thinking....that's all well and good, but...what about the other 20+ years of Z28? And what does today's buyer want versus the late 60s?

I think sometimes we get lost in the past when working with these nostalgic names. Thank heavens the people who pulled the Camaro together in 2006 were who they are...What a wonderful job they did making a car for 2010 that remembers where it came from.
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Old 11-04-2011, 10:32 PM   #39
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If the 1LE were renamed the Z28, or if we found out that they'll be offering it as an option package on the SS I think I'd be satisfied. But I'd be ecstatic if they came out with a Z28 with a good conventional suspension, a few ZL1 bits like brakes & tires, and an engine making power between the SS and the ZL1.



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I just don't think the 1LE "as is" is quite a complete enough package to be this generations representative for a Z/28. The 1LE is a nice package but I think it needs more engine to be exactly right. And that's based on my honest feelings, not on other generations of the Camaro.
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I have a first gen. and would love to have an early second gen.

A friend at the fire department has a 1985 IROC he's wanting to sell. If I had the room and didn't love my wife I would buy the IROC.

A fifth gen. Z/28 is just to easy of a built for G.M. and hopefully we'll have one soon.
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I believe it's been covered many times in these threads.

Simply put I'm looking for a 1LE with more power. 475 plus would be fine.
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I have been a "banner carrier" for a "proper" (MY definition!) ZEE since forever...and my personal reasoning for a "conventional suspension" (or, as I called it, "enhanced FE4") was the co$t$ saved could then be used to upgrade the LS3 to "heavy artillery" status: LS7. So...

1) I see "room at the inn" for BOTH an SS-1LE AND a Z/28...just like you have two price points for the so-called BOSS...which suddenly must be quivering just a lil bit at the possibility of going back to an hourly rate!

2) MRC vs. Enhanced FE4: I'd say the jury has spoken...and the Team is certainly the final jury. Last year we had the SSX to think about and react to; this year we have the 1LE to munch on. 1LE is certainly more likely, and more quickly, to be Oshawa-buildable...and more saleable and in greater volumes...than the back-seatless SSX.

However, there IS, from a purist and budgetary point of view, something quite compelling (at least for me) about the SSX's "racy" suspension... From a GMPP point of view, more folks would be likely to consider the cost and job of upgrading to an SSX-type suspension system, than would consider the complexity and probable co$t of an MRC refit...
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These were the kinds of answers I was hoping to get. I read a lot of "The original Z/28 was this...." or "The intent of the first Z/28 was this...." And I'm thinking....that's all well and good, but...what about the other 20+ years of Z28? And what does today's buyer want versus the late 60s?

I think sometimes we get lost in the past when working with these nostalgic names. Thank heavens the people who pulled the Camaro together in 2006 were who they are...What a wonderful job they did making a car for 2010 that remembers where it came from.
Well this particular buyer wants much the same thing I wanted when I bought a Z/28 in '69, I want a performance coupe with good straight line performance along with an excellent handling package/suspension that is a determined corner carver. I love twisty, curvy roads with short straights, I want a well balanced car that handles all areas well. I still think the ZL1 is an excellent car, just not what I'm looking for, a 1LE with an engine between the SS and the ZL1 (but not just 30/40 or so HP more than the SS, more like the 490-510HP range) would likely fill that niche for me.
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I know very little about the 3rd gens. I know even less about the 2nd gens.
How much do you know about the 1st Generation ? Or should we assume that the answer will be even less , or nothing ? Not to worry , you are not alone in here !!!
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How much do you know about the 1st Generation ? Or should we assume that the answer will be even less , or nothing ? Not to worry , you are not alone in here !!!
I know more about 1st & 4th gens than 2nd or 3rd. But I probably know more about 5th gens than all others combined.
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I know more about 1st & 4th gens than 2nd or 3rd. But I probably know more about 5th gens than all others combined.
So tell us big guy.... what's that plan for the future?
Is it coming or not? And in what form?
Lay out how you see it.
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