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Old 10-19-2011, 02:35 PM   #76
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That was my point some what. I have seen a few Xs run 12.8 and 12.9 stock.
Last time I checked, this hasn't been done with the Xs (only Evos I know of to break 12s stock were the IX with a best of 12.8x). You got a link for us all?
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Old 10-19-2011, 03:51 PM   #77
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Let me see if I can find stock threads. It's been awhile since I've been on either of the Evo forums. Not much stock stuff posted anymore.
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Old 10-19-2011, 04:09 PM   #78
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Let me see if I can find stock threads. It's been awhile since I've been on either of the Evo forums. Not much stock stuff posted anymore.
I don't believe a stock X running 12s. The IX's are without a doubt faster in a straight line and have done 12.9 at best as far as I know. It's just too heavy.
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Old 10-20-2011, 09:02 AM   #79
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To the person saying that you'd blow your motor at 30K, you can put relatively light mods on these, make a good deal more HP, and abuse the hell out of them for many miles. Same thing with Subarus. I'm changing over for different reasons, but these cars can do things a camaro will never be able to do, just like a camaro can out-pull it at high speeds.
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Old 10-20-2011, 03:10 PM   #80
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To the person saying that you'd blow your motor at 30K, you can put relatively light mods on these, make a good deal more HP, and abuse the hell out of them for many miles. Same thing with Subarus. I'm changing over for different reasons, but these cars can do things a camaro will never be able to do, just like a camaro can out-pull it at high speeds.
Agreed. The biggest problem is the communities behind the cars have too many ignorant fools modding their cars. The right mods with the right tune will have them running for years to come.
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Old 10-21-2011, 06:11 PM   #81
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To the person saying that you'd blow your motor at 30K, you can put relatively light mods on these, make a good deal more HP, and abuse the hell out of them for many miles. Same thing with Subarus. I'm changing over for different reasons, but these cars can do things a camaro will never be able to do, just like a camaro can out-pull it at high speeds.
Not to start a fire, but let's not forget about stock turbo Subarus and cracked ringlands...prevelent on 06+ STi models. The 08+ models are even worse as far as reliabiltiy goes, and you can't prevent that from happening when its common to occur on bone stock, low mileage cars.
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Old 10-21-2011, 08:31 PM   #82
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Not to start a fire, but let's not forget about stock turbo Subarus and cracked ringlands...prevelent on 06+ STi models. The 08+ models are even worse as far as reliabiltiy goes, and you can't prevent that from happening when its common to occur on bone stock, low mileage cars.
07+ ej257's are junk. They have a closed-loop 14.7AFR until 4k (after boost hits!), a smaller radiator and intercooler than previous models and even the WOT AFR's are leaner than 06 and below. They're crap unless you catch one before the damage is done and you tune it. Subaru got caught off guard by emissions in the USA and hacked a fix instead of doing it the right way. There's no denying there is a major problem that SHOULD be recalled in those cars. However, the 04-05 sti's and late evo 8s and evo IX's are pretty reliable stock and can be very reliable with the right mods. I beat the living crap out of my car on and off track. I just recently tuned an 04 on a 20g with 156,000 miles on the stock motor. I've seen evos with very high mileage too. Knock is the enemy of any turbo motor, especially low displacement 4 cylinders running high boost. Treat them right and they'll be fine, but a bad tune will blow the engine in a week.
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Old 10-28-2011, 02:51 AM   #83
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Sorry to break your heart, but your Camaro is not the badest car on the road. EVO FTW. All day long...

And as for reliability, I still have a 1st Gen Diamond Star, with the stock 4G63 block, a bigger snail, and over 200k miles. Wanna know what it does? Makes a shit load of power. Every. Damn. Day.

My Mom likes to use it to make Mustang GT drivers cry. She thinks it funny. Don't be like the guy in the GT, who thinks his car is the baddest around. Don't make my Mom laugh at you...
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Old 10-28-2011, 03:50 AM   #84
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Why would the Evo win?
Not trying to say the Evo wouldn't win, I just wanna know why it would.
4wd -> Better traction off the line.
2 liter turbocharged engine, in a "front-mid engine layout" -> less weight, almost the same power.
Car itself is lighter too, so it'll have an advantage there as well.

And on top of that, it has some pretty nippy electronics (Active Yaw Control being one of them) to make them go round bends at an amazing speed for a four door saloon.
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Old 10-28-2011, 04:11 AM   #85
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Its the same damn thing. They just upgraded the seats, gauges, and changed the steering wheel. The Evo is the same damn basic car, just 3 times the price. Not to mention the crappy SunPro gauges below the HVAC look like they came from a 1980's kit car

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I could do the same exercise for Audi/Audi RS, or Mercedes C/C63 AMG, but I think you get the point...

Same car, one's basic model, the other a performance model. Constructors SHARE components between different cars, for reasons of keeping the costs down. If every model on every single car had a bespoke dashboard... There wouldn't be many affordable cars around.

Besides, some constructors did it the other way round too... I give you as an example the Lotus Omega/Carlton. Had a dashboard from a standard Opel Omega 1.8 GL, but a twin turbo 3.6 and Corvette gearbox. And it was sold for about 4 times the price of a basic Omega at the time... (beginning of the 90's)
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Old 10-28-2011, 08:11 AM   #86
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That was my point some what. I have seen a few Xs run 12.8 and 12.9 stock.
For a X to hit 12.8 stock, the Gods would have to be pushing it down the track.
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Old 11-23-2011, 02:14 PM   #87
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My buddy at work says his Civic SI will beat my V6 in the 1/4 mile. Tell me I can beat that thing.
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Old 11-23-2011, 09:55 PM   #88
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There is no way a Honda civic si will beat a v6 in a 1/4 mile he is just full of it. I have raced a evo x from a roll 40 to idk with my v6 and beat him but that said my v6 is not stock.
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Old 11-23-2011, 10:00 PM   #89
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My buddy at work says his Civic SI will beat my V6 in the 1/4 mile. Tell me I can beat that thing.
Driver's race depending on the year of his SI.
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Old 11-24-2011, 02:15 PM   #90
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Did anyone see Top gear when they put the Evo up against the Lamborghini Murcielago. The Evo was able to keep up with the Lambo pretty good and even began closing on the bends. Clarkson was using one finger to steer on the bends - those things look to be drifting machines. Eventually the Lambo spun out and the Evo passed it !

On a straight line the lambo would eat it for breakfast however.

No way a V6 camaro could do that against a lambo, I doubt the V8 could.

Even on a straight line the Evo would give most V8's a run for their money.
THAT WAS AN EVO FQ400 hello that thing does 0-60 in 3.5 seconds and 12 seconds or less in the 1/4.
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Old 11-24-2011, 02:25 PM   #91
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i had a 03 evo and i seen guys up north stock hit 12.9
Bulls@$%@t Evos stock and STIs are mid 13s at best high 13s average. Stop dreaming. I am sick and tired of the Evo the holy grail of cars crap. I have also driven a couple and realized their flaws.
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Old 11-24-2011, 02:35 PM   #92
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Faster only in a straight line. A Evo X broke 8mins on the ring something a SS couldn't touch stock. I put 50k miles on my X and only had to change the clutch mostly due to being 150whp over stock. In the end it had 411whp and 359wtq with cams and bigger turbo. It survived several autoX days. The blown up Evos are going for the really big numbers 500+whp. Launching is what kills them, and that's really not what Evos are made for. You ate right though stock Evo best quarter is 13.2 and to 60 in 4.6. Can't replace the big displacement at the drag strip.
Since when did any stock EVO break 8 mins on the Nurburgring what planet was that on, not ours.
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Old 11-24-2011, 02:51 PM   #93
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For a X to hit 12.8 stock, the Gods would have to be pushing it down the track.
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Old 11-24-2011, 03:28 PM   #94
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A 333 hp 6-speed manual 4000 lb Audi can do it in 12.8-12.9, I don't see why it couldn't if the conditions are right.
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A 333 hp 6-speed manual 4000 lb Audi can do it in 12.8-12.9, I don't see why it couldn't if the conditions are right.
Buddy are you talking about the current S4 first of all that thing is more like 3500lbs and right now audi is pushing out remarkable performance out of that 2.5 5 cylinder block. Do not compare that engines performance to even the Evo. Drive them and you will see. Also my L99 beats current stock S4s has ran into a few .
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Bulls@$%@t Evos stock and STIs are mid 13s at best high 13s average. Stop dreaming. I am sick and tired of the Evo the holy grail of cars crap. I have also driven a couple and realized their flaws.
Stock evo 9s can do bottom 13s and a 12 is believable imo, but only out of the 9s. The 9 has a bigger turbo and MIVEC over the evo 8 and is the fastest of the evo/sti cars. I've seen a 13.1@104 personally. The cars weigh 3300 lbs, make 300hp, have super short gearing and have endless traction. With a good launch it's not hard to run mid-bottom 13s. The Xs are considerably slower though.
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Buddy are you talking about the current S4 first of all that thing is more like 3500lbs and right now audi is pushing out remarkable performance out of that 2.5 5 cylinder block. Do not compare that engines performance to even the Evo. Drive them and you will see. Also my L99 beats current stock S4s has ran into a few .
You better tell audi then because they think the car weighs 3924 lbs and has a 3.0.
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Bulls@$%@t Evos stock and STIs are mid 13s at best high 13s average. Stop dreaming. I am sick and tired of the Evo the holy grail of cars crap. I have also driven a couple and realized their flaws.

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Buddy are you talking about the current S4 first of all that thing is more like 3500lbs and right now audi is pushing out remarkable performance out of that 2.5 5 cylinder block. Do not compare that engines performance to even the Evo. Drive them and you will see. Also my L99 beats current stock S4s has ran into a few .
Are you getting the specs of the B8 Audi S4 3.0 TFSI mixed up with that of a Focus RS 2.5 liter 5 cylinder 300 hp ?
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Bulls@$%@t Evos stock and STIs are mid 13s at best high 13s average. Stop dreaming. I am sick and tired of the Evo the holy grail of cars crap. I have also driven a couple and realized their flaws.
Kind of like how the "quarter mile" is somehow the holy grail of racing...
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