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Old 12-09-2011, 01:00 PM   #18
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So if we have an indoor space to store the car but it isn't heated then our first set of tires is basically screwed?
No,they are saying that the rubber gets brittle under 40* & may split if driven hard. A parked car has no worries.

I've known the rules of Max Performance Summer tires for years. But this is the first time I've ever seen one split as a result of cold weather driving.
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Old 12-09-2011, 01:13 PM   #19
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the only way around this issue if you want to drive the car in the winder is get a set of stock or aftermarket 9" rims with 275's. that is as wide as I have found in an all season.

I had the same inssue with my mustang when I upsized the rear tires.

I think the real issue with these tires well be rapid change in temps.

On thing to remember though is these tires are worth $$$ you could always dismount and sell them. I did with my f1 supercar runflats on my 08 coupe becasue the straitline grip on those tires is bad. I upsized to 305 invo's the day I got the car. way better strait line grip and I got more out of my stock tires than the new ones cost.
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Old 12-09-2011, 01:30 PM   #20
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Fact is, for years, there have been Summer-only Tires manufactured and sold successfully all over the world...in all manner of climates...by many Companies. And they're described as Summer-only for a reason!

These warnings are ignored at your personal peril !!

But they're also not "new" news...
Very true!

Im not sure a lot of people have actually had "summer" only tires until the last few years. Most new cars come with all seasons.... even some all seasons are not good in the cold!

I sure as heck wont forget the first and only time I got stuck in a freak snow storm with summer tires..... Lets just say the way back down the mountain had some serious pucker factor.
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Old 12-09-2011, 01:44 PM   #21
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If anyone is wanting more info on winter tires read this.....


http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106945
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Old 12-09-2011, 03:04 PM   #22
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.... Lets just say the way back down the mountain had some serious pucker factor.
Nice linkage, Mac.

Yeah, I was bringing a '76 Lincoln Town Car full of Sunday School kids down the mountain from a ski trip once... I kept about five car lengths between us & the car ahead because it had been snowing hard all day. At crawling speed we still broke loose and the car started doing a 180° turn - very very slowly.

When we were looking uphill I figured marginal sliding friction was better than no friction so I just braked. We stopped less than a car length before we bumped the car ahead.

The kids thought I did it on purpose, it happened so slowly. They said it was awesome. There was no chance of injury, but it was slicker than snot on a doorknob, that's for sure.

That's what your phrase, "pucker factor" reminded me of.
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Old 12-09-2011, 04:09 PM   #23
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When the Gen-3s arrived with those lovely greasy Gatorback 16s, circa '85, I had a death-defying 5-mile drive when the first snowfall fell...all 2" of it !!!!!! A usually 7-minute drive took me TWO HOURS...and four pushes...

Summer-only means EXACTLY that...
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Old 12-09-2011, 05:34 PM   #24
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I wonder if they will delay production because of the colder temps in Canada?
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Old 12-09-2011, 06:41 PM   #25
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I wonder if they will delay production because of the colder temps in Canada?
That makes me wonder when they have them parked outside waiting to get loaded. Then being driven onto transporters/railcars. Can the tires handle that abuse?
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Old 12-09-2011, 07:15 PM   #26
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That makes me wonder when they have them parked outside waiting to get loaded. Then being driven onto transporters/railcars. Can the tires handle that abuse?
My thoughts exactly!
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Old 12-09-2011, 07:51 PM   #27
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This thread is Sticky worthy!


Agreed, along with any other posts concerning the safety issues
that need to be addressed concerning these cars.
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Old 12-09-2011, 08:29 PM   #28
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Well if anything happens to the tires before you take deilvery they will be replaced at no charge to you. Just make sure you look at the tires very closely before signing any paperwork. Some (no all) dealers may even be willing to let the car sit in the showroom until a nice day comes along (meaning above 40 or 50*) then let you come and get it. I wouldnt worry about the tires to much. Just be sure to get a decent set of all season or winter tires before next winter and store the factory tire as stated in there service bulletin.
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Old 12-09-2011, 08:33 PM   #29
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I wonder if the GM team has considered the tires temperature issues with respect to shipping, handling, and delivery.

It's an unusual, outside the scope of manufacturing kind of problem.

Should we be hoping for a warm March in the Great Lakes region?

I can see the tires getting flexed a good bit even while being transported, and that wouldn't be good at frigid temps.
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Old 12-09-2011, 10:21 PM   #30
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I added these tires, front and rear, to my GT500 last year. As great of a warm weather tire as they are, they are absolute hockey pucks at around 40* or lower. Almost like someone coated them with grease them before use.



To the OP - thanks for bringing that information to light regarding potential cracking. I had not seen that before.
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Old 12-09-2011, 10:39 PM   #31
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I wouldn't worry about the tire conditions... $60,000 spent on a car, I'm sure you can afford a Set of Cold weather/Winter tires.... My thought...... I wouldn't be using this car as a Daily Driver anyway... Doesn't seem real practical, considering it's meant for the Track... I have a set of Nitto NT05 tires(summer only) for my 2002 Z28 and have been riding on them since Sept. 2010 ( Philadelphia,PA) in winter and have had Zero issues with them... They have held up very well with about 1,000 miles on them...
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Old 12-10-2011, 12:44 AM   #32
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Thanks for suppling this INFO. This and the bulletin above look like good candidates for the WIKI, yes?

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For what it's worth, I also received this message from Goodyear after a personal info request about the ZL1 tires a few weeks ago...it seems to me to be a copy/paste from a standard tire-care literature. Possibly the "Proper Procedures for the storage of tires" bit they mention above.



I don't foresee a huge issue. The lacerations, imo, would only be caused by extreme amounts of heating/cooling cycles during the few truly arctic weeks of winter, probably coupled with dry air, ozone, etc....they look tortured, not made of glass, imo.

Based on all this info...I'll store it somewhere dry (ie, not outdoors), and inflate them to max pressure. Roll the car 1/8 wheel-turn every month until the snow melts.
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Old 12-10-2011, 10:41 AM   #33
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Well if anything happens to the tires before you take deilvery they will be replaced at no charge to you. Just make sure you look at the tires very closely before signing any paperwork. Some (no all) dealers may even be willing to let the car sit in the showroom until a nice day comes along (meaning above 40 or 50*) then let you come and get it. I wouldnt worry about the tires to much. Just be sure to get a decent set of all season or winter tires before next winter and store the factory tire as stated in there service bulletin.



It's always a good idea to give the whole vehicle a good inspection.

My sales manager has promised me that he'll let my ZL1 stay indoors, untouched, at his dealership for up to 30 days if weather is a problem when it's time to take delivery. I thought that was a very cool gesture.
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Old 12-10-2011, 11:00 AM   #34
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just food for thought guys. these cars will be made up here in 'shwa plant during the coldest time of the year, which is anywhere from -40(with wind chill) to -5. and its not like they will be sitting inside the plant they will parked outside in the elements. so make sure u check the tires for cracks when u go for pickup. if these things are cracking at 5 degrees thats pathetic.
its unfortunte gm put such a unpractical tire on these cars. they should have stuck with the michellins.
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