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Old 12-21-2011, 05:55 PM   #18
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Old 12-21-2011, 11:51 PM   #19
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36 MONTHS? For a smaller Camaro. Likely, more road noise. Yes, superb performance but without the current road feel/comfort. And, will the new platform in a Z28 be as hard to get "when" it is introduced as the ZL1 is now? Many of you could be waiting to chase a hard to get mirage. I'm taking delivery of what i "KNOW" is here now! Just for the record, I LOVE Z28. If it were out "now", and it had only 480-505 normally aspirated HP, I could easily have gotten it instead of the ZL1 and been very happy. My main point here, is, the long wait to Z28 may be met with fleeting realities similar to ZL1 availability. Dunno. Not to mention price increases between now and then. It may cost as much to get a Z28 in 36 months as a ZL1 costs now. (plus Im getting too old to wait folks - another story)

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Well, it sure was nice to see that many of us were right on about the Gen6 coming in the 2016 MY considering the next generation Mustang being a 2015, CAFE standards and the ATS needing another plant buddy.

It seems now there is more than enough ample time to get a profitable Gen5 Z/28 in the market. GM has said in this forum before to expect something new about every 6 months. I think once the ZL1 is being built and more details on the C7 Corvette engine comes out, we'll see the Z/28 name come to glory again as mid 2013 model with the new Corvette engine. Now we should see a mid-model refresh for the 2013 or 2014.
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36 MONTHS? For a smaller Camaro. Likely, more road noise. Yes, superb performance but without the current road feel/comfort. And, will the new platform in a Z28 be as hard to get "when" it is introduced as the ZL1 is now? Many of you could be waiting to chase a hard to get mirage. I'm taking delivery of what i "KNOW" is here now! Just for the record, I LOVE Z28. If it were out "now", and it had only 480-505 normally aspirated HP, I could easily have gotten it instead of the ZL1 and been very happy. My main point here, is, the long wait to Z28 may be met with fleeting realities similar to ZL1 availability. Dunno. Not to mention price increases between now and then. It may cost as much to get a Z28 in 36 months as a ZL1 costs now. (plus Im getting too old to wait folks - another story)

Edit: PS, my order is at code 3000 today, 12-21-11
I agree, I love the car now, I bought a 2012 2ss 45th, I know now that I love this car. Would I love a z28 more, yes of course, however the 2016 model may not be as nice as this model, sure it will be faster, but it may not be nicer, its all relative. There may even be a z28 in 2013 or 2014 or maybe the last year 2015 they will do it with an LS7 to boost sales, no one really knows. But I would rather be in the position where I have to consider trading in a car I love for a car I would love more than to have missed the boat. I'm sure there were lots of people who said don't buy the 69 camaro, wait for the refresh, it will be that much greater in the 70's. I bet those who waited wished they had purchased.
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Gramps is gonna be ridin' in style with an early run, low number ZL1!
Possibly............. reading between the lines!
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I agree, I love the car now, I bought a 2012 2ss 45th, I know now that I love this car. Would I love a z28 more, yes of course, however the 2016 model may not be as nice as this model, sure it will be faster, but it may not be nicer, its all relative. There may even be a z28 in 2013 or 2014 or maybe the last year 2015 they will do it with an LS7 to boost sales, no one really knows. But I would rather be in the position where I have to consider trading in a car I love for a car I would love more than to have missed the boat. I'm sure there were lots of people who said don't buy the 69 camaro, wait for the refresh, it will be that much greater in the 70's. I bet those who waited wished they had purchased.
I've often thought that. Just because it's newer doesn't mean it's better. Oh yeah I'll take a 69' over a 70' any day.
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I've often thought that. Just because it's newer doesn't mean it's better. Oh yeah I'll take a 69' over a 70' any day.
One of the great attributes of the 1st generation was being limited to 3 production years. If the 2nd generation was only made for 3 years (70,71,72) there would be more love for those models also.

The Gen5 will be limited to 6 years, the 3rd shortest run of Camaros. I think the styling is still going to survive the test of time for 3 more years, just give us a Gen5 Z/28.
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One of the great attributes of the 1st generation was being limited to 3 production years. If the 2nd generation was only made for 3 years (70,71,72) there would be more love for those models also.
67-69 Camaro's did not exhibit much in body style changes. I agree this short run, with the lack of major body or design change, in addition to it being the first series produced, make those qualities great attributes and the car a true collectble. There are many other reasons I feel that way but that's for another time. From an asthetic point of view, the second generation Camaro changed four times. From the best looking version IMHO '70-'73 <why may I ask you left out '73?>, to a '74 with identical body panels and aluminum bumpers, then '75 through '77, with a new rear quarter and window. These were all identical across the board with the aluminum bumpers and no body changes., Then came '78 though '81 with molded bumper fascia's. The Gen 2 was a drastically changing, morphing car. Many sub-divisions and revisions occured within that generation, which were wider and broader in scope to the Gen 1 Camaro which remained comparatively static in design and did not vary much. Gen 1 is a true classic for sure. However, there's plenty of love for Gen 2...and within that generation are subdivisions of loyal followers, each equally in love with their particular section of production design. Stopping at a certain design year point would have no bearing on how much love was created. For the youth, it's more of the age, or period, versus product availability at that given time that creates fondness, or love. Those who look back are not privy to such knowledge, for they were not there to live it. As far as I am concerned, being an 'ol fossil, Z-28's ended in '74. Just my 02. I sure am looking forward to it's return...., in the current Gen 5 body style. This current model I feel can't be improved upon....just like the Gen 1's design it was inspired from, both are timeless classic's and automotive works of art.
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Well said, if they make a 5th generation z/28 with an LS7 I would consider trading mine in, that would be the only way I would let mine go. I could have bought a ZL1 but I prefer NA engines, the bigger the better (as my camaro is a toy and not a DD)
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Z/28: Now...or '16?

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One of the great attributes of the 1st generation was being limited to 3 production years. If the 2nd generation was only made for 3 years (70,71,72) there would be more love for those models also.

The Gen5 will be limited to 6 years, the 3rd shortest run of Camaros. I think the styling is still going to survive the test of time for 3 more years, just give us a Gen5 Z/28.
Yes, but I'd say it would have more to do with the fact that the early years were the best years for the 2nd gen. The cars at the end of the run were ... less than spectacular.
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I think A Z/28 may come near the end of this generation, possibly 2014 or 2015 as the ZL1 should have its run. If they do a Z/28 I doubt it will have an LS7 as the cost of the engine is double that of the LS3. That being said, without a suitable engine, unless they beef up a NA LS3 I would assume that there is a possibility that we may not see the Z28 until 2016. Therefore gen 5 may not get a z28 and everyone holding out may miss the boat. I personally love the gen 5 so I bought it. If a Z28 comes out I'll consider trading it in, I may or may not be interested in a Gen 6 Camaro regardless of the Z28 option if it does not look as good as this generation. Just my two cents.
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Yes, but I'd say it would have more to do with the fact that the early years were the best years for the 2nd gen. The cars at the end of the run were ... less than spectacular.
How many other muscle/pony car models had great performance numbers or styling enhancements from 74 to the 80's? This is when the smog pumps, catalytic converters, bigger bumpers for safety....came into play. It was very disappointing to come out of college in 1976 and have nothing much new to buy. Nothing rock the muscle world again on till a Buick (GN) of all things appeared. And guess what it was V6 turbo !!!!!!

I eventually bought a '80 Z/28 new that was fun for the time. I'm really enjoying this resurgence with the Gen5 and glad to see that GM is already planning the Gen6.
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