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Old 01-08-2012, 01:19 PM   #1
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3,400 Lb Z/28?

If this is true it could make for a very intriguing 2016 Z/28....


"Cadillac claims a less than 3,400-pound curb weight on the ATS will be one of the lowest in the segment along with nearly 50/50 weight balance."

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"All-new, lightweight, rear-wheel-drive architecture with one of the lowest curb weights in the segment – less than 3,400 pounds"

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3400 lb's and a DI V8 please.....
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Imagine a 5th gen V8 in that little squirt!


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Imagine a 5th gen V8 in that little squirt!


As much as I want a 5th Gen Z/28 I can see them waiting to use the name plate on this platform.
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As much as I want a 5th Gen Z/28 I can see them waiting to use the name plate on this platform.
Would probably be heavier, but still... that's a nice diet
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Might see our first TT V6 Z/28

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Might see our first TT V6 Z/28





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OMG... seats getting smaller and smaller. Can't say it fits the avg American profile!
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Well looks like all those clamoring for a lightened Camaro will have it!. And significantly I might add compared to Gen5. The upcoming Caddy and Camaro are based on the same architecture, so expect the weights to be very similar between them. Gen6 Camaro, as it looks now, will be back at the curb weight of the last of the F bodies in 2002. Well played GM, well played....

So, as Mac says...resurrect the Z-28 then for Gen6, and I propose they make a 1LE track pack version < aka Z-28, but not named as so> now for the last of the Gen5.
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So, as Mac says...resurrect the Z-28 then for Gen6, and I propose they make a 1LE track pack version < aka Z-28, but not named as so> now for the last of the Gen5.
I am really torn.... I would really love to have a 5th Gen Z/28 but a 3400 pound Z/28 would be even better.
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Great news, for all Camaro's, not just the Z/28.
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I am really torn.... I would really love to have a 5th Gen Z/28 but a 3400 pound Z/28 would be even better.
It truly would be Shock&Awesome... talk about GM Momentum..

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Well looks like all those clamoring for a lightened Camaro will have it!. And significantly I might add compared to Gen5. The upcoming Caddy and Camaro are based on the same architecture, so expect the weights to be very similar between them. Gen6 Camaro, as it looks now, will be back at the curb weight of the last of the F bodies in 2002. Well played GM, well played....



So, as Mac says...resurrect the Z-28 then for Gen6, and I propose they make a 1LE track pack version < aka Z-28, but not named as so> now for the last of the Gen5.
They've as much as made the 1LE a reality .... it would be a great filler til Gen6.

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Wow thats all im gonna say! Would looooove to have a new Orange or white Camaro Z28 or even better a light to medium Blue in 2016
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If this is true it could make for a very intriguing 2016 Z/28....
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3400 lb's and a DI V8 please.....
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Imagine a 5th gen V8 in that little squirt!
Guys, I wouldn't hold my breath on that. From the article, it sounds like the ATS will START at 3400 pounds, for the N/A Ecotec 4-cyl version (an appalling choice to offer in a Cadillac by the way...reading that gives me instant flashbacks of the Cimmeron).

A 5th gen V8 Camaro would likely be closer to 3600+ lbs on the same platform. The only way you get a Z/28 Camaro at 3400 lbs will either be if it is a 4-cylinder, or if it turns out to be a "stripper" model, similar to what Porche does with certain models, where leather, power seats, air conditioning, a radio, most of the sound insulation, and possibly the back seats are deleted in an all out effort to reduce weight, or, some combination of both.
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Well looks like all those clamoring for a lightened Camaro will have it!. And significantly I might add compared to Gen5. The upcoming Caddy and Camaro are based on the same architecture, so expect the weights to be very similar between them. Gen6 Camaro, as it looks now, will be back at the curb weight of the last of the F bodies in 2002. Well played GM, well played....

So, as Mac says...resurrect the Z-28 then for Gen6, and I propose they make a 1LE track pack version < aka Z-28, but not named as so> now for the last of the Gen5.
You realize GM never called anything "track pack"
... actually, I think it's a chrysler thing. Gives me the heebyjeebies when ya'll use it.
...almost bad as calling a "wheel", a "rim".

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Guys, I wouldn't hold my breath on that. From the article, it sounds like the ATS will START at 3400 pounds, for the N/A Ecotec 4-cyl version (an appalling choice to offer in a Cadillac by the way...reading that gives me instant flashbacks of the Cimmeron).

A 5th gen V8 Camaro would likely be closer to 3600+ lbs on the same platform. The only way you get a Z/28 Camaro at 3400 lbs will either be if it is a 4-cylinder, or if it turns out to be a "stripper" model, similar to what Porche does with certain models, where leather, power seats, air conditioning, a radio, most of the sound insulation, and possibly the back seats are deleted in an all out effort to reduce weight, or, some combination of both.
You are partially right, in that I am sure the V8 will weigh more than the I4 in the ATS, however the ATS will have a lot of features as standard equipment that will be options on the Camaro. For all we know, a "stripper" model of an ATS could weigh in at 3200lbs, but since it is a Cadillac and not a Chevy (meaning you can't order it as a stripper model) we will never know.

ATS also will have more glass and two more doors on it. I would imagine doors add weight and I know glass does.

That said, I doubt the aluminum hood would make it on the Camaro, and the magnesium engine mount brackets might not either.

What can be said, with pretty good certainty, is that the next Camaro will be significantly lighter than the current one.

One other thing to think about is how big the Camaro will be compared to the ATS. Same platform, but what about overall length? ATS is about 6 inches shorter than the Gen5, does that mean the Gen6 Camaro will be smaller than the current car? That could add weight as well.
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Guys, I wouldn't hold my breath on that. From the article, it sounds like the ATS will START at 3400 pounds, for the N/A Ecotec 4-cyl version (an appalling choice to offer in a Cadillac by the way...reading that gives me instant flashbacks of the Cimmeron).

A 5th gen V8 Camaro would likely be closer to 3600+ lbs on the same platform. The only way you get a Z/28 Camaro at 3400 lbs will either be if it is a 4-cylinder, or if it turns out to be a "stripper" model, similar to what Porche does with certain models, where leather, power seats, air conditioning, a radio, most of the sound insulation, and possibly the back seats are deleted in an all out effort to reduce weight, or, some combination of both.
Actually...GM just issued another press release regarding the ATS's engines.

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With the 3.6L V-6, for example, there is 1 horsepower for every 10.8 pounds of vehicle weight.
The 3.6L is rated at 315 HP. 315 HP * 10.8 lb = 3402 lbs.

Perhaps my math is wrong...but this may just be a VERY light car.
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Guys, I wouldn't hold my breath on that. From the article, it sounds like the ATS will START at 3400 pounds, for the N/A Ecotec 4-cyl version (an appalling choice to offer in a Cadillac by the way...reading that gives me instant flashbacks of the Cimmeron).

A 5th gen V8 Camaro would likely be closer to 3600+ lbs on the same platform. The only way you get a Z/28 Camaro at 3400 lbs will either be if it is a 4-cylinder, or if it turns out to be a "stripper" model, similar to what Porche does with certain models, where leather, power seats, air conditioning, a radio, most of the sound insulation, and possibly the back seats are deleted in an all out effort to reduce weight, or, some combination of both.
Even if it did come in at 3600 thats still better than 4000..... I think
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Since they only rounded to one figure after the decimal place, you could have a range of 3386 to 3414 pounds (using 10.75 to 10.84 lbs per HP).

An LT Camaro with the same engine and transmission combination weighs 3720lbs. So the ATS is at least 300lbs lighter. An SS with a stick is 3850lbs, so we're talking 3550lbs for a fully loaded Camaro with a V8. If some of the features standard on the ATS are not added to the Camaro, you may be looking at sub 3500lbs for a V8 Camaro. Plus I stand by what I said earlier, that the extra doors and glass on the ATS add weight that the Camaro won't have. There will also be significantly less sound deadening material, which isn't light.
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Maybe we should not have made this thread for like 3 years or so......

Boy do we have a looooong time to speculate.
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You realize GM never called anything "track pack"
... actually, I think it's a chrysler thing. Gives me the heebyjeebies when ya'll use it.
...almost bad as calling a "wheel", a "rim".

nothing personal, just FYI
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131653
Theres alot of verbiage discussed, bandied about, and tossed around here that I, and many of my colleagues, have discussed about the ZL1 for over a year, none of which I recall you posting about until recently, sooooo... here's a recent link to go with that....and as things stand you can say what you will, for now....<as my teeth clench ever so slightly into my tongue>
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Theres alot of verbiage discussed, bandied about, and tossed around here that I, and many of my colleagues, have discussed about the ZL1 for over a year, none of which I recall you posting about until recently, sooooo... here's a recent link to go with that....and as things stand you can say what you will, for now....<as my teeth clench ever so slightly into my tongue>
Ohhhh I see.... so you think I'm a noob in the Z28 threads?

.... SMACK.... am I a noob to the Zee threads?

Fen... he called me a noob... you gonna let him get away with that?

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You are partially right, in that I am sure the V8 will weigh more than the I4 in the ATS, however the ATS will have a lot of features as standard equipment that will be options on the Camaro. For all we know, a "stripper" model of an ATS could weigh in at 3200lbs, but since it is a Cadillac and not a Chevy (meaning you can't order it as a stripper model) we will never know.

ATS also will have more glass and two more doors on it. I would imagine doors add weight and I know glass does.

That said, I doubt the aluminum hood would make it on the Camaro, and the magnesium engine mount brackets might not either.

What can be said, with pretty good certainty, is that the next Camaro will be significantly lighter than the current one.

One other thing to think about is how big the Camaro will be compared to the ATS. Same platform, but what about overall length? ATS is about 6 inches shorter than the Gen5, does that mean the Gen6 Camaro will be smaller than the current car? That could add weight as well.
There is an aluminum hood on the current production Camaro (at least that's my understanding), why would there not be one on the 6th gen.??
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Unveil talked about a lot of aluminum and magnesium in the undercarriage. I can see some of that changing over to steel for the 6th gen.
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