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Old 01-10-2012, 10:31 AM   #29
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Unfortunately nothing in life is ever absolute (other than we all die and we have to pay taxes...)

There are many things that crop up as you go into production - esp. when you consider that well over 1/3 of the ZL1 has been re-engineered --

Let's take a theoretical example, shall we?

Let's say that we accepted a small number of orders with B92 on them.....and let's further assume that as the parts arrive, we are not happy with the parts. It COULD be that we'll await the arrival of acceptable parts - and then ship the cars.......

Now - there are one or two people on this board that want answers and by golly they want 'em NOW!

Well - in a perfect world, we wouldn't have to worry about that because everything's perfect -- right?

I can't be on this site all the time - because I have other responsibilities - but I DO monitor it and further, I cannot answer every question - especially if the answer is likely to change. (trust me - I've had my head beat in by words that I'd posted only to have the circumstances change - there ARE those that no matter what you say will beat you to a pulp regardless.........just because they can!)

So - again, I will once again apologize for the fact that we cannot build everyones' ZL1 at this point in time with B92.

It DOES appear that we will build SOME cars that are already scheduled with B92. But I have no absolute answer and one of the reasons is because we have not started regular production.

Now - I also know that's going to send a few people into orbit.........and I'm sorry - but as I said in the beginning -- you should be able to order the parts and add them at a later time.

We cannot, however, offer the option and build the car only to ship the parts at a later date. There are too many unknowns and variables......

I appreciate most peoples' patience -- again, we never want to intentionally upset a customer --that's in no ones interests.
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Old 01-10-2012, 10:37 AM   #30
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Unfortunately nothing in life is ever absolute (other than we all die and we have to pay taxes...)

There are many things that crop up as you go into production - esp. when you consider that well over 1/3 of the ZL1 has been re-engineered --

Let's take a theoretical example, shall we?

Let's say that we accepted a small number of orders with B92 on them.....and let's further assume that as the parts arrive, we are not happy with the parts. It COULD be that we'll await the arrival of acceptable parts - and then ship the cars.......

Now - there are one or two people on this board that want answers and by golly they want 'em NOW!

Well - in a perfect world, we wouldn't have to worry about that because everything's perfect -- right?

I can't be on this site all the time - because I have other responsibilities - but I DO monitor it and further, I cannot answer every question - especially if the answer is likely to change. (trust me - I've had my head beat in by words that I'd posted only to have the circumstances change - there ARE those that no matter what you say will beat you to a pulp regardless.........just because they can!)

So - again, I will once again apologize for the fact that we cannot build everyones' ZL1 at this point in time with B92.

It DOES appear that we will build SOME cars that are already scheduled with B92. But I have no absolute answer and one of the reasons is because we have not started regular production.

Now - I also know that's going to send a few people into orbit.........and I'm sorry - but as I said in the beginning -- you should be able to order the parts and add them at a later time.

We cannot, however, offer the option and build the car only to ship the parts at a later date. There are too many unknowns and variables......

I appreciate most peoples' patience -- again, we never want to intentionally upset a customer --that's in no ones interests.


I'm not getting a ZL1, but at least it's an honest answer.

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Old 01-10-2012, 10:55 AM   #31
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Thanks for keeping us in the loop Scott. Communication goes a long way in situations like this.

My order was scheduled to get pulled for this allocation cycle, but I decided to wait for my dealers second allocation instead in hopes the constraint will be lifted by then. If it's not, I'll proceed with my order and order the part separately when it becomes available. But getting my vehicle factory delivered the with the exposed insert and on the build sheet is important to me and my preference, but such is life.

Just a suggestion: Seeing as nobody here, besides those within the walls of GM, know what the exposed insert will cost when ordered as a part, that potential cost could have a lot to do with a customers decision to proceed with his/her order or wait for B92 from the factory. It could be $600, it could be $1000, it could be $1500, who knows? If we had a better idea what the cost would be, that would help a lot.

And to go a step beyond that, GM would earn many kudos if they offered those that originally had B92 ordered prior to the constraint a discount on the part when it becomes available. My dealer offered to charge me the $600 upgrade charge for the part itself if I chose to proceed with my order by removing B92. I eventually decided to wait, but that's what you call customer service.
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Old 01-10-2012, 10:55 AM   #32
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We all appreciate your time and effort on this site, Scott. Thank you.

There you have it --

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It DOES appear that we will build SOME cars that are already scheduled with B92. But I have no absolute answer and one of the reasons is because we have not started regular production.
Some early 2012 ZL1s may (and that is the operative word, may) be equipped with the B92 option, but, then again, they may not. At this point, it appears that no one knows for sure, as things could change when regular production actually starts.
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Old 01-10-2012, 11:02 AM   #33
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Thank you Scott, this goes along with what I and others sitting at 3000 have heard all along. Ours will ship with B92, which explains the reason none of us have received a call from GM letting us know about the constraint as it does not apply to us.
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Old 01-10-2012, 11:04 AM   #34
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It is not a perfect world? lol

Thank you for the clarification.
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Old 01-10-2012, 11:04 AM   #35
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I'll proceed with my order and order the part separately when it becomes available. Seeing as nobody here, besides those within the walls of GM, know what the exposed insert will cost when ordered as a part, that potential cost could have a lot to do with a customers decision to proceed with his/her order or wait for B92 from the factory. It could be $600, it could be $1000, it could be $1500, who knows? If we had a better idea what the cost would be, that would help a lot.
I don't know what the cost of the B92 scoop insert is yet, but I do know what the part number is. Its 22845156
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Old 01-10-2012, 11:08 AM   #36
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Old 01-10-2012, 11:33 AM   #37
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I'm not getting a ZL1, but at least it's an honest answer.

Watching for those going into orbit
If you wanted somebody to lie to you...you were looking for the wrong guy. Scott always gives us the most correct information that he can without the following happening: 1: he get's fired for telling us too much or something that is deemed "still secret" 2: a change happens and the person he answers with what WAS correct information calls him a liar. But if you want him to lie to you on purpose - it is not going to happen.

Sometimes I wonder why he posts anything at all the way some people call him on the carpet for an answer he gave...like they have a right. There are people from GM that answer to the very best of their abilities and sometimes beyond on these forums. People should respect that...whether they like the answer or not.
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Old 01-10-2012, 11:36 AM   #38
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I don't know what the cost of the B92 scoop insert is yet, but I do know what the part number is. Its 22845156

Thanks!

I know you have a connect, if you happen to find out the price of the part before it's common knowledge, would you please share that with us?
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I know you have a connect, if you happen to find out the price of the part before it's common knowledge, would you please share that with us?
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Old 01-10-2012, 11:47 AM   #40
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Thanks for keeping us in the loop Scott. Communication goes a long way in situations like this.

My order was scheduled to get pulled for this allocation cycle, but I decided to wait for my dealers second allocation instead in hopes the constraint will be lifted by then. If it's not, I'll proceed with my order and order the part separately when it becomes available. But getting my vehicle factory delivered the with the exposed insert and on the build sheet is important to me and my preference, but such is life.

Just a suggestion: Seeing as nobody here, besides those within the walls of GM, know what the exposed insert will cost when ordered as a part, that potential cost could have a lot to do with a customers decision to proceed with his/her order or wait for B92 from the factory. It could be $600, it could be $1000, it could be $1500, who knows? If we had a better idea what the cost would be, that would help a lot.

And to go a step beyond that, GM would earn many kudos if they offered those that originally had B92 ordered prior to the constraint a discount on the part when it becomes available. My dealer offered to charge me the $600 upgrade charge for the part itself if I chose to proceed with my order by removing B92. I eventually decided to wait, but that's what you call customer service.
It's too bad GM can't put the B92 code on your build sheet/window sticker and send it to your dealer at a later date. That way you would be able to say it's an originally optioned part. That is very important to people buying a car like this.
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[QUOTE=fbodfather;4289121]Unfortunately nothing in life is ever absolute (other than we all die and we have to pay taxes...)

I would agree about death being an absolute, but having to pay taxes, I'm sure there are a fair number of people that have found a way around
that.

I will say watching how you have to navigate and try to answer questions on this forum and stay within GM's restraints. That you are now primed and ready to take on the political races for the higher office. No way can
the opposing politicians or news reporters could touch this battle ready
canidate.

I have to say it helps in this world to have a sence of humour, without it
life would be less bearable. With that being said and reading your most recent posts a song came to mind from way back when. Tip toe through the tulips, don't ask me why I just pictured you having to do that while trying to make every one happy.
Have a great day, and make sure to bring a marking pen to camaro fest 3
so you can sign my "Z".
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Dosent matter when u placed your order. Some of us are already at 3000 as our were picked up for production on 12/20. So for those specific orders, they were already allocated parts.
No one was at 3000 the day they placed their order. I am not sure you understand what I was saying.

What I said was, the majority of us placed our orders (inlcuding myself) on 10/29 and some on 11/3. So, if we all placed our orders at the same time, WITH the same options i.e, B92 how do they go about picking which ones get pulled first when they have 2,000+ orders out there? If all of us placed our orders on the SAME DATES, and had the B92 option, how is it fair to pull some of the orders, and let them have the B92 option, and tell the rest of us: "Too bad, change your order or wait." ?? Do you understand what I am saying now?
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