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Old 01-08-2012, 02:46 PM   #18
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If I was to read between the lines of this situation I would say the following is going on:

Supplier of the B92 part shipped the first large batch and a large portion of them have blemishes. GM have gone through each part one by one and pulled out X% that are acceptable and fortunately that is enough to fulfill all the orders at 3000 with that option. They however can't accept such a large % of scrap moving forward. So until the supplier shows that they have identified the root cause, established a corrective action and can produce quality parts GM will not lift the constraint. They probably know the supplier had committed to a particular date but they are not willing to announce that until they have inspected the parts. I would hope they will have engineers on-site at the supplier awaiting the first run to inspect the parts as they come off the line and minimize delays.

All this is surmission and I have NO insight other than what I have read here......AKA my 2 cents
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If I was to read between the lines of this situation I would say the following is going on:

Supplier of the B92 part shipped the first large batch and a large portion of them have blemishes. GM have gone through each part one by one and pulled out X% that are acceptable and fortunately that is enough to fulfill all the orders at 3000 with that option. They however can't accept such a large % of scrap moving forward. So until the supplier shows that they have identified the root cause, established a corrective action and can produce quality parts GM will not lift the constraint. They probably know the supplier had committed to a particular date but they are not willing to announce that until they have inspected the parts. I would hope they will have engineers on-site at the supplier awaiting the first run to inspect the parts as they come off the line and minimize delays.

All this is surmission and I have NO insight other than what I have read here......AKA my 2 cents
That sounds like the best theory I've heard yet!
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Old 01-08-2012, 05:39 PM   #20
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If I was to read between the lines of this situation I would say the following is going on:

Supplier of the B92 part shipped the first large batch and a large portion of them have blemishes. GM have gone through each part one by one and pulled out X% that are acceptable and fortunately that is enough to fulfill all the orders at 3000 with that option. They however can't accept such a large % of scrap moving forward. So until the supplier shows that they have identified the root cause, established a corrective action and can produce quality parts GM will not lift the constraint. They probably know the supplier had committed to a particular date but they are not willing to announce that until they have inspected the parts. I would hope they will have engineers on-site at the supplier awaiting the first run to inspect the parts as they come off the line and minimize delays.

All this is surmission and I have NO insight other than what I have read here......AKA my 2 cents
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Old 01-08-2012, 11:23 PM   #21
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If I was to read between the lines of this situation I would say the following is going on:

Supplier of the B92 part shipped the first large batch and a large portion of them have blemishes. GM have gone through each part one by one and pulled out X% that are acceptable and fortunately that is enough to fulfill all the orders at 3000 with that option. They however can't accept such a large % of scrap moving forward. So until the supplier shows that they have identified the root cause, established a corrective action and can produce quality parts GM will not lift the constraint. They probably know the supplier had committed to a particular date but they are not willing to announce that until they have inspected the parts. I would hope they will have engineers on-site at the supplier awaiting the first run to inspect the parts as they come off the line and minimize delays.

All this is surmission and I have NO insight other than what I have read here......AKA my 2 cents
Sounds like a spot on theory. Plus, it goes along with what my salesman and others at 3000 have heard
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Old 01-09-2012, 12:46 PM   #22
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Just think of how collectible and rare the first ZL1's with B92's will be in 25 years. This could go down in the annals of Chevrolet history if only 69 perfect quality ZL1 exposed carbon fiber hood inserts were available and only 69 2012 ZL1's were initially produced. Damn, I guess I can't drive the car until the final B92 production numbers are published - may be too valuable. I'm am starting to feel better about this situation now.......lmao!! I'm at 3000.
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Old 01-09-2012, 12:57 PM   #23
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I'm at 3000 with B92 as of 12/20 and havent been contacted by my dealership. I was told by a VERY reliable source that if you were at 3000 as of 12/20/11 you will "LIKELY" be ok with B92 staying on your order.
I doubt it, as from Scott's comments below, it appears that no early production 2012 ZL1s will have the exposed carbon fiber hood insert.

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... we are, at this time, not able to provide RPO "B92" -- the Exposed Carbon Fiber Hood Insert.

We are working through issues with this option and it will eventually be available both as an orderable option - or as a Service Part (meaning that you can have it installed at a later date).

While we regret that we can't offer it at Start of Production ...
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Old 01-09-2012, 03:07 PM   #24
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I doubt it, as from Scott's comments below, it appears that no early production 2012 ZL1s will have the exposed carbon fiber hood insert.
Bear, you are incorrect. My dealership just spoke to the Manager of GM Production Control and confirmed all orders originally picked up for production will indeed ship with the B92 exposed insert if that was there option. There were about 150 orders with the option that will ship. They are working on building additional supply.
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Bear, you are incorrect. My dealership just spoke to the Manager of GM Production Control and confirmed all orders originally picked up for production will indeed ship with the B92 exposed insert if that was there option. There were about 150 orders with the option that will ship. They are working on building additional supply.
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Old 01-09-2012, 03:18 PM   #26
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Fbod, as you are aware, the B92 exposed CF constraint has caused a lot of grief, excitement, anxiety, call it what you will, among future ZL1 owners. I am hoping you can provide some closure/confirmation about the constraint. My dealer is telling me that according to GM Production Control, all orders that were picked up on 12/20 moving to 3000 status that had the B92 option chosen will still be receiving the exposed insert on their cars as they were already slated to receive the part and they had enough of the inserts to fill these orders. The constraint will only affect all orders getting picked up from here on, according to what my dealer was told by GM Production. However, your comments seem to conflict with this stating ALL pre-production orders with the B92 option are on constraint. We all appreciate the time and knowledge that you provide to the forum, however, sometimes we may take your word as gospel given the level of respect we have for you. For those of us who moved to 3000 on 12/20, our orders are likely to be produced in the next couple of weeks hitting the ground, and we are still unsure of what our +$60k special order ZL1's are going to look like, and this should not be the case. Can you please confirm that the orders that moved to 3000 on 12/20 will still have the B92 option if they chose it? I think those individuals would have been the first to be contacted about the constraint as our orders are the ones that will be produced in the next couple of weeks. Thank you in advance for any information you can provide.

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Was just talking with Cheryl and John - and we are, at this time, not able to provide RPO "B92" -- the Exposed Carbon Fiber Hood Insert.

We are working through issues with this option and it will eventually be available both as an orderable option - or as a Service Part (meaning that you can have it installed at a later date)

While we regret that we can't offer it at Start of Production, we take actions such as this in the name of Product Quality which is always our first priority.

Thus, you may want to discuss this with your dealer and remove the option for now.
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Old 01-09-2012, 03:29 PM   #27
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Bear, you are incorrect. My dealership just spoke to the Manager of GM Production Control and confirmed all orders originally picked up for production will indeed ship with the B92 exposed insert if that was there option. There were about 150 orders with the option that will ship. They are working on building additional supply.
Your dealer could be right, but based on Scott's record I'd be more inclined to believe the information that Scott provided rather than information provided by a dealer (remember, dealers do not work for GM). Maybe Scott can furnish some further clarification regarding the seemingly contradictory information surrounding the availability of the B92 option on early production 2012 ZL1s.
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Well I guess in like six weeks or so will either have some happy
or very unhappy ZL1 owners that ordered the carbon fiber inserts.
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Unfortunately nothing in life is ever absolute (other than we all die and we have to pay taxes...)

There are many things that crop up as you go into production - esp. when you consider that well over 1/3 of the ZL1 has been re-engineered --

Let's take a theoretical example, shall we?

Let's say that we accepted a small number of orders with B92 on them.....and let's further assume that as the parts arrive, we are not happy with the parts. It COULD be that we'll await the arrival of acceptable parts - and then ship the cars.......

Now - there are one or two people on this board that want answers and by golly they want 'em NOW!

Well - in a perfect world, we wouldn't have to worry about that because everything's perfect -- right?

I can't be on this site all the time - because I have other responsibilities - but I DO monitor it and further, I cannot answer every question - especially if the answer is likely to change. (trust me - I've had my head beat in by words that I'd posted only to have the circumstances change - there ARE those that no matter what you say will beat you to a pulp regardless.........just because they can!)

So - again, I will once again apologize for the fact that we cannot build everyones' ZL1 at this point in time with B92.

It DOES appear that we will build SOME cars that are already scheduled with B92. But I have no absolute answer and one of the reasons is because we have not started regular production.

Now - I also know that's going to send a few people into orbit.........and I'm sorry - but as I said in the beginning -- you should be able to order the parts and add them at a later time.

We cannot, however, offer the option and build the car only to ship the parts at a later date. There are too many unknowns and variables......

I appreciate most peoples' patience -- again, we never want to intentionally upset a customer --that's in no ones interests.
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Unfortunately nothing in life is ever absolute (other than we all die and we have to pay taxes...)

There are many things that crop up as you go into production - esp. when you consider that well over 1/3 of the ZL1 has been re-engineered --

Let's take a theoretical example, shall we?

Let's say that we accepted a small number of orders with B92 on them.....and let's further assume that as the parts arrive, we are not happy with the parts. It COULD be that we'll await the arrival of acceptable parts - and then ship the cars.......

Now - there are one or two people on this board that want answers and by golly they want 'em NOW!

Well - in a perfect world, we wouldn't have to worry about that because everything's perfect -- right?

I can't be on this site all the time - because I have other responsibilities - but I DO monitor it and further, I cannot answer every question - especially if the answer is likely to change. (trust me - I've had my head beat in by words that I'd posted only to have the circumstances change - there ARE those that no matter what you say will beat you to a pulp regardless.........just because they can!)

So - again, I will once again apologize for the fact that we cannot build everyones' ZL1 at this point in time with B92.

It DOES appear that we will build SOME cars that are already scheduled with B92. But I have no absolute answer and one of the reasons is because we have not started regular production.

Now - I also know that's going to send a few people into orbit.........and I'm sorry - but as I said in the beginning -- you should be able to order the parts and add them at a later time.

We cannot, however, offer the option and build the car only to ship the parts at a later date. There are too many unknowns and variables......

I appreciate most peoples' patience -- again, we never want to intentionally upset a customer --that's in no ones interests.


I'm not getting a ZL1, but at least it's an honest answer.

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Thanks for keeping us in the loop Scott. Communication goes a long way in situations like this.

My order was scheduled to get pulled for this allocation cycle, but I decided to wait for my dealers second allocation instead in hopes the constraint will be lifted by then. If it's not, I'll proceed with my order and order the part separately when it becomes available. But getting my vehicle factory delivered the with the exposed insert and on the build sheet is important to me and my preference, but such is life.

Just a suggestion: Seeing as nobody here, besides those within the walls of GM, know what the exposed insert will cost when ordered as a part, that potential cost could have a lot to do with a customers decision to proceed with his/her order or wait for B92 from the factory. It could be $600, it could be $1000, it could be $1500, who knows? If we had a better idea what the cost would be, that would help a lot.

And to go a step beyond that, GM would earn many kudos if they offered those that originally had B92 ordered prior to the constraint a discount on the part when it becomes available. My dealer offered to charge me the $600 upgrade charge for the part itself if I chose to proceed with my order by removing B92. I eventually decided to wait, but that's what you call customer service.
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We all appreciate your time and effort on this site, Scott. Thank you.

There you have it --

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It DOES appear that we will build SOME cars that are already scheduled with B92. But I have no absolute answer and one of the reasons is because we have not started regular production.
Some early 2012 ZL1s may (and that is the operative word, may) be equipped with the B92 option, but, then again, they may not. At this point, it appears that no one knows for sure, as things could change when regular production actually starts.
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Thank you Scott, this goes along with what I and others sitting at 3000 have heard all along. Ours will ship with B92, which explains the reason none of us have received a call from GM letting us know about the constraint as it does not apply to us.
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It is not a perfect world? lol

Thank you for the clarification.
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