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Old 01-09-2012, 02:18 PM   #26
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Fbod, as you are aware, the B92 exposed CF constraint has caused a lot of grief, excitement, anxiety, call it what you will, among future ZL1 owners. I am hoping you can provide some closure/confirmation about the constraint. My dealer is telling me that according to GM Production Control, all orders that were picked up on 12/20 moving to 3000 status that had the B92 option chosen will still be receiving the exposed insert on their cars as they were already slated to receive the part and they had enough of the inserts to fill these orders. The constraint will only affect all orders getting picked up from here on, according to what my dealer was told by GM Production. However, your comments seem to conflict with this stating ALL pre-production orders with the B92 option are on constraint. We all appreciate the time and knowledge that you provide to the forum, however, sometimes we may take your word as gospel given the level of respect we have for you. For those of us who moved to 3000 on 12/20, our orders are likely to be produced in the next couple of weeks hitting the ground, and we are still unsure of what our +$60k special order ZL1's are going to look like, and this should not be the case. Can you please confirm that the orders that moved to 3000 on 12/20 will still have the B92 option if they chose it? I think those individuals would have been the first to be contacted about the constraint as our orders are the ones that will be produced in the next couple of weeks. Thank you in advance for any information you can provide.

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Was just talking with Cheryl and John - and we are, at this time, not able to provide RPO "B92" -- the Exposed Carbon Fiber Hood Insert.

We are working through issues with this option and it will eventually be available both as an orderable option - or as a Service Part (meaning that you can have it installed at a later date)

While we regret that we can't offer it at Start of Production, we take actions such as this in the name of Product Quality which is always our first priority.

Thus, you may want to discuss this with your dealer and remove the option for now.
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Bear, you are incorrect. My dealership just spoke to the Manager of GM Production Control and confirmed all orders originally picked up for production will indeed ship with the B92 exposed insert if that was there option. There were about 150 orders with the option that will ship. They are working on building additional supply.
Your dealer could be right, but based on Scott's record I'd be more inclined to believe the information that Scott provided rather than information provided by a dealer (remember, dealers do not work for GM). Maybe Scott can furnish some further clarification regarding the seemingly contradictory information surrounding the availability of the B92 option on early production 2012 ZL1s.
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Well I guess in like six weeks or so will either have some happy
or very unhappy ZL1 owners that ordered the carbon fiber inserts.
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Unfortunately nothing in life is ever absolute (other than we all die and we have to pay taxes...)

There are many things that crop up as you go into production - esp. when you consider that well over 1/3 of the ZL1 has been re-engineered --

Let's take a theoretical example, shall we?

Let's say that we accepted a small number of orders with B92 on them.....and let's further assume that as the parts arrive, we are not happy with the parts. It COULD be that we'll await the arrival of acceptable parts - and then ship the cars.......

Now - there are one or two people on this board that want answers and by golly they want 'em NOW!

Well - in a perfect world, we wouldn't have to worry about that because everything's perfect -- right?

I can't be on this site all the time - because I have other responsibilities - but I DO monitor it and further, I cannot answer every question - especially if the answer is likely to change. (trust me - I've had my head beat in by words that I'd posted only to have the circumstances change - there ARE those that no matter what you say will beat you to a pulp regardless.........just because they can!)

So - again, I will once again apologize for the fact that we cannot build everyones' ZL1 at this point in time with B92.

It DOES appear that we will build SOME cars that are already scheduled with B92. But I have no absolute answer and one of the reasons is because we have not started regular production.

Now - I also know that's going to send a few people into orbit.........and I'm sorry - but as I said in the beginning -- you should be able to order the parts and add them at a later time.

We cannot, however, offer the option and build the car only to ship the parts at a later date. There are too many unknowns and variables......

I appreciate most peoples' patience -- again, we never want to intentionally upset a customer --that's in no ones interests.
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Unfortunately nothing in life is ever absolute (other than we all die and we have to pay taxes...)

There are many things that crop up as you go into production - esp. when you consider that well over 1/3 of the ZL1 has been re-engineered --

Let's take a theoretical example, shall we?

Let's say that we accepted a small number of orders with B92 on them.....and let's further assume that as the parts arrive, we are not happy with the parts. It COULD be that we'll await the arrival of acceptable parts - and then ship the cars.......

Now - there are one or two people on this board that want answers and by golly they want 'em NOW!

Well - in a perfect world, we wouldn't have to worry about that because everything's perfect -- right?

I can't be on this site all the time - because I have other responsibilities - but I DO monitor it and further, I cannot answer every question - especially if the answer is likely to change. (trust me - I've had my head beat in by words that I'd posted only to have the circumstances change - there ARE those that no matter what you say will beat you to a pulp regardless.........just because they can!)

So - again, I will once again apologize for the fact that we cannot build everyones' ZL1 at this point in time with B92.

It DOES appear that we will build SOME cars that are already scheduled with B92. But I have no absolute answer and one of the reasons is because we have not started regular production.

Now - I also know that's going to send a few people into orbit.........and I'm sorry - but as I said in the beginning -- you should be able to order the parts and add them at a later time.

We cannot, however, offer the option and build the car only to ship the parts at a later date. There are too many unknowns and variables......

I appreciate most peoples' patience -- again, we never want to intentionally upset a customer --that's in no ones interests.


I'm not getting a ZL1, but at least it's an honest answer.

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Thanks for keeping us in the loop Scott. Communication goes a long way in situations like this.

My order was scheduled to get pulled for this allocation cycle, but I decided to wait for my dealers second allocation instead in hopes the constraint will be lifted by then. If it's not, I'll proceed with my order and order the part separately when it becomes available. But getting my vehicle factory delivered the with the exposed insert and on the build sheet is important to me and my preference, but such is life.

Just a suggestion: Seeing as nobody here, besides those within the walls of GM, know what the exposed insert will cost when ordered as a part, that potential cost could have a lot to do with a customers decision to proceed with his/her order or wait for B92 from the factory. It could be $600, it could be $1000, it could be $1500, who knows? If we had a better idea what the cost would be, that would help a lot.

And to go a step beyond that, GM would earn many kudos if they offered those that originally had B92 ordered prior to the constraint a discount on the part when it becomes available. My dealer offered to charge me the $600 upgrade charge for the part itself if I chose to proceed with my order by removing B92. I eventually decided to wait, but that's what you call customer service.
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We all appreciate your time and effort on this site, Scott. Thank you.

There you have it --

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It DOES appear that we will build SOME cars that are already scheduled with B92. But I have no absolute answer and one of the reasons is because we have not started regular production.
Some early 2012 ZL1s may (and that is the operative word, may) be equipped with the B92 option, but, then again, they may not. At this point, it appears that no one knows for sure, as things could change when regular production actually starts.
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Thank you Scott, this goes along with what I and others sitting at 3000 have heard all along. Ours will ship with B92, which explains the reason none of us have received a call from GM letting us know about the constraint as it does not apply to us.
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It is not a perfect world? lol

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I'll proceed with my order and order the part separately when it becomes available. Seeing as nobody here, besides those within the walls of GM, know what the exposed insert will cost when ordered as a part, that potential cost could have a lot to do with a customers decision to proceed with his/her order or wait for B92 from the factory. It could be $600, it could be $1000, it could be $1500, who knows? If we had a better idea what the cost would be, that would help a lot.
I don't know what the cost of the B92 scoop insert is yet, but I do know what the part number is. Its 22845156
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I'm not getting a ZL1, but at least it's an honest answer.

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If you wanted somebody to lie to you...you were looking for the wrong guy. Scott always gives us the most correct information that he can without the following happening: 1: he get's fired for telling us too much or something that is deemed "still secret" 2: a change happens and the person he answers with what WAS correct information calls him a liar. But if you want him to lie to you on purpose - it is not going to happen.

Sometimes I wonder why he posts anything at all the way some people call him on the carpet for an answer he gave...like they have a right. There are people from GM that answer to the very best of their abilities and sometimes beyond on these forums. People should respect that...whether they like the answer or not.
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I don't know what the cost of the B92 scoop insert is yet, but I do know what the part number is. Its 22845156

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I know you have a connect, if you happen to find out the price of the part before it's common knowledge, would you please share that with us?
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Thanks for keeping us in the loop Scott. Communication goes a long way in situations like this.

My order was scheduled to get pulled for this allocation cycle, but I decided to wait for my dealers second allocation instead in hopes the constraint will be lifted by then. If it's not, I'll proceed with my order and order the part separately when it becomes available. But getting my vehicle factory delivered the with the exposed insert and on the build sheet is important to me and my preference, but such is life.

Just a suggestion: Seeing as nobody here, besides those within the walls of GM, know what the exposed insert will cost when ordered as a part, that potential cost could have a lot to do with a customers decision to proceed with his/her order or wait for B92 from the factory. It could be $600, it could be $1000, it could be $1500, who knows? If we had a better idea what the cost would be, that would help a lot.

And to go a step beyond that, GM would earn many kudos if they offered those that originally had B92 ordered prior to the constraint a discount on the part when it becomes available. My dealer offered to charge me the $600 upgrade charge for the part itself if I chose to proceed with my order by removing B92. I eventually decided to wait, but that's what you call customer service.
It's too bad GM can't put the B92 code on your build sheet/window sticker and send it to your dealer at a later date. That way you would be able to say it's an originally optioned part. That is very important to people buying a car like this.
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[QUOTE=fbodfather;4289121]Unfortunately nothing in life is ever absolute (other than we all die and we have to pay taxes...)

I would agree about death being an absolute, but having to pay taxes, I'm sure there are a fair number of people that have found a way around
that.

I will say watching how you have to navigate and try to answer questions on this forum and stay within GM's restraints. That you are now primed and ready to take on the political races for the higher office. No way can
the opposing politicians or news reporters could touch this battle ready
canidate.

I have to say it helps in this world to have a sence of humour, without it
life would be less bearable. With that being said and reading your most recent posts a song came to mind from way back when. Tip toe through the tulips, don't ask me why I just pictured you having to do that while trying to make every one happy.
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Dosent matter when u placed your order. Some of us are already at 3000 as our were picked up for production on 12/20. So for those specific orders, they were already allocated parts.
No one was at 3000 the day they placed their order. I am not sure you understand what I was saying.

What I said was, the majority of us placed our orders (inlcuding myself) on 10/29 and some on 11/3. So, if we all placed our orders at the same time, WITH the same options i.e, B92 how do they go about picking which ones get pulled first when they have 2,000+ orders out there? If all of us placed our orders on the SAME DATES, and had the B92 option, how is it fair to pull some of the orders, and let them have the B92 option, and tell the rest of us: "Too bad, change your order or wait." ?? Do you understand what I am saying now?
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No one was at 3000 the day they placed their order. I am not sure you understand what I was saying.

What I said was, the majority of us placed our orders (inlcuding myself) on 10/29 and some on 11/3. So, if we all placed our orders at the same time, WITH the same options i.e, B92 how do they go about picking which ones get pulled first when they have 2,000+ orders out there? If all of us placed our orders on the SAME DATES, and had the B92 option, how is it fair to pull some of the orders, and let them have the B92 option, and tell the rest of us: "Too bad, change your order or wait." ?? Do you understand what I am saying now?
When orders get pulled has more to do with the dealership the order was submitted at than anything else. As an example, I could have submitted my order on the day and minute the ordering opened up at a small dealership that was only allocated 1 ZL1 for the 2012 model year. However, some other guy may have walked into a very large, high volume Camaro dealership weeks later and submitted his order that would be first for the dealership out of 5 they were allocated for the 2012 model year.

The likelihood is that the guy at the larger dealership would probably get his order pulled before mine, even though I placed my order weeks earlier. That's just the way it seems to work, they seem to take care of the dealers who have a better history of selling cars first.
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I will say watching how you have to navigate and try to answer questions on this forum and stay within GM's restraints. That you are now primed and ready to take on the political races for the higher office. ".

After reading some of the posts on this thread (and other posts) the ONLY thing I'm "primed and ready" for is ---


A STRAIGHTJACKET and some serious tranquilizers...............


At this point - I cannot add anything else.

I'm sorry that one or two people are unhappy - but no matter what I say, they're still not going to be happy.

Unfortunate.
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After reading some of the posts on this thread (and other posts) the ONLY thing I'm "primed and ready" for is ---


A STRAIGHTJACKET and some serious tranquilizers...............


At this point - I cannot add anything else.

I'm sorry that one or two people are unhappy - but no matter what I say, they're still not going to be happy.

Unfortunate.
Scott, I worry every day that these haters are going to keep you from talking to us or make you leave C5 and not come back, and I really wish a lot of them would STFU-- please know that 99% of the people on this forum appreciate you VERY much, and we know that the decisions made regarding our cars are not YOUR decisions and you do not control what happens at GM or to the Camaro. The other 1%... eh, WGAS about 'em? We are lucky to have you here, telling us what you can-- questions which would otherwise go unanswered. You certainly don't have to do it, and the fact that you care enough about the brand to come here and go under the knife for answering questions gets you more than you know-- from me at least!

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Scott, I worry every day that these haters are going to keep you from talking to us or make you leave C5 and not come back, and I really wish a lot of them would STFU-- please know that 99% of the people on this forum appreciate you VERY much, and we know that the decisions made regarding our cars are not YOUR decisions and you do not control what happens at GM or to the Camaro. The other 1%... eh, WGAS about 'em? We are lucky to have you here, telling us what you can-- questions which would otherwise go unanswered. You certainly don't have to do it, and the fact that you care enough about the brand to come here and go under the knife for answering questions gets you more :respect: than you know-- from me at least!

Maybe one day people will figure it out and quit shooting the messenger. In the meantime-- thank you for all you do



Thank you for your kind words.

I do know that 99.9% of the good people on this site understand and get it.
I also know that people get behind a keyboard and type stuff they'd never dream of saying out loud....


For the other .1%?

I give up!





Perhaps I should consider this???


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After reading some of the posts on this thread (and other posts) the ONLY thing I'm "primed and ready" for is ---


A STRAIGHTJACKET and some serious tranquilizers...............


At this point - I cannot add anything else.

I'm sorry that one or two people are unhappy - but no matter what I say, they're still not going to be happy.

Unfortunate.
We appreciate the insider info you provide us. And have for years now.

I own a business as you know and as you also know you can't EVER EVER EVER be perfect. And you can't EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER please everyone.

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Perhaps I should consider this???


Oh, yes. This.

And as far as people hiding behind their screens and mouthing-- I'd LOVE to see them talk to people that way IRL, because there's no way. And all mouthing and pissing contests and bragging in the world won't make up for what God didn't give 'em.

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After reading some of the posts on this thread (and other posts) the ONLY thing I'm "primed and ready" for is ---


A STRAIGHTJACKET and some serious tranquilizers...............


At this point - I cannot add anything else.

I'm sorry that one or two people are unhappy - but no matter what I say, they're still not going to be happy.

Unfortunate.
Scott, thanks for sharing as much information as you can. Whenever our orders are delayed, we become worried and concerned. We realize that this was something that was not planned for the ZL1. The current status states that the delay is "Less than 4 Weeks". Is this a real scenario for B92 becoming available in the next four weeks and possibly by next months allocations?
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