04-25-2009, 05:40 PM | #1 |
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Remote Start on Manual Transmission
Hey all. I put in an order of a 2SS manual and really want to put in a remote start / alarm system in it. I'm wondering since the camaro comes with Passkey III theft deterrent system, will I be able to install a remote start? I was aiming for the viper 5901 system since it actually says it can be installed in a manual plus it has nice accessories like remote window control. I wasn't sure I could get this since it sounds impossible to start the car w/o your own passkey III key in the ignition for the manuals.
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04-25-2009, 06:23 PM | #2 |
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Aftermarket installers can do it.
You get a spare uncut key with the chip programmed to your car. They install it in a bypass box in the IP, that is connected to the remote start system. They also - for legal reasons - demand installing a shifter sensor that inures the vehicle is in neutral. More than $1000 installed, from what I found.
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04-25-2009, 06:44 PM | #3 | |
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Wouldn't a CAGS-equipped car already have a shifter position sensor? If it didn't, it couldn't lock you out of gears without taking the chance that it's locking you in to that gear.
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04-25-2009, 09:22 PM | #4 |
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CAGS only looks at TPS, RPM, coolant temp, maybe a few other parameters, and then energizes the blocking solenoid to block 2nd and 3rd gears.
I'm not sure if the PCM knows what gear it's in, but even if it did, tapping into that data would be difficult or impossible. An installer explained to me that they physically install a laser sensor in the shifter area to confirm neutral. That's why it's so expensive... I've debated spending the money many times. Of course, if we install it ourselves, we just leave mr. sensor out. But, that could turn into a nightmare...idk
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04-25-2009, 10:36 PM | #5 |
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I had one installed in a Maximia years ago. It did not have passIII. I thought it was funny when it would start in gear and lung forward.
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04-25-2009, 11:05 PM | #6 |
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I'd be really interested in this, i don't wanna pay 1000 bucks though. I was wondering if you could either buy, or ask for the normal switchblade key for the camaro with the auto start button on it, and when you went aftermarket to get the auto start installed on your manual just have them use the same key...
Prolly not, but it'd be nice..
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I wonder if CAGS also watches the clutch sensor, and you could avoid it by clutchlessly shifting or fooling the clutch sensor. Quote:
My thought was that if there was a shifter position sensor, you wouldn't tap into the computer's data; you would just tap the sensor itself. Don't forget, every sensor has to get its analog signal to the computer before it becomes digital data. Quote:
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04-26-2009, 08:36 AM | #8 |
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It's impossible to have remote start on a manual transmission, who's gonna put the clutch in...unless you buy a robot to do it
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Step 2: Hook up remote start unit to clutch switch to bypass clutch switch Step 3: Enjoy It's far easier than bypassing anti-theft stuff.
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04-26-2009, 11:50 AM | #10 |
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As far as i know viper alarms comes with a bypass for the clutch. i could be wrong tho i usually am. My car now is a 5-speed and has remote start.
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04-27-2009, 03:16 AM | #11 |
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I've seen a car "remotely start" and drive through the front of a store in Virginia Beach. Most states make it "illegal" to install remote start systems in manual cars for this reason. It's a nice feature to have, but I wouldn't take that chance with my new $40k toy that I've been waiting on for over 2 years.
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04-27-2009, 03:49 PM | #12 |
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There are remote starters already out that will not work unless you follow specific instructions. I think the basic idea is leave the engine running, have the clutch in neutral and push a button on the remote start for at least 3 seconds. This lets the remote start detect that the clutch is in Neutral and then the car will shut off itself.
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04-29-2009, 06:47 AM | #13 | |
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I had it done through Best Buy install group when I worked there. You should leave it in neutral, but if not the car will start and it will start lunging forward. Back in the 90's you were not required to push the clutch in to turn the engine over. It has been that long since I owned a manual. Not sure what it is like now.
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04-29-2009, 09:02 AM | #14 |
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with that kind of logic,shouldn't you need a robot to turn the key as well ?
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