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Old 01-20-2012, 09:51 PM   #51
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I didn't see which tires the Mustang was running so I'm not sure if the comparison was fair.
However the ZL1 comes with Ultra-High Performance tires (Eagle F1 Supercar G2's) meant for summer. The hotter the environment the better the traction will be. I can't remember where I read this but here it is, these tires are not supposed to be used in temps below 50 degrees and should never be stored at temps less than 20 degrees. Not sure why but I'm guessing that at such a low temp the structure/chem makeup of the tire is altered.

For you SS guys with the Perrelis. Have you noticed that the cooler the pavement the worse your traction is?

Also, this type of tire absolutely sucks at the strip, even on a hot day.

Let the temperature debate begin, LOL!
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:21 AM   #52
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You guys need to get the January 23, 2012. Autoweek. One of the comments in there
Was that randy Pobst who drove both the zl1 and Laguna seca for motor trend was not as fast in the zl1 as Aaron Link, GMs engineer/test driver.Aaron link was the guy who drove the nurburgring lap.
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Old 01-22-2012, 12:37 AM   #53
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I didn't see which tires the Mustang was running so I'm not sure if the comparison was fair.
However the ZL1 comes with Ultra-High Performance tires (Eagle F1 Supercar G2's) meant for summer. The hotter the environment the better the traction will be. I can't remember where I read this but here it is, these tires are not supposed to be used in temps below 50 degrees and should never be stored at temps less than 20 degrees. Not sure why but I'm guessing that at such a low temp the structure/chem makeup of the tire is altered.

For you SS guys with the Perrelis. Have you noticed that the cooler the pavement the worse your traction is?

Also, this type of tire absolutely sucks at the strip, even on a hot day.

Let the temperature debate begin, LOL!
What is...fair?

I'd consider factory-spec "fair" when considering these sorts of reviews. No need to search for details and try to invalidate the comparison.

I've always held that these articles were for entertainment value-only. This is no different. It just so happens the ZL1 came out on top in many of them. Good to see for a change.

Thanks for posting these, guys -- and thanks for adding them to the homepage Tran, was able to catch them at work! Made my day!!
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Old 01-22-2012, 05:01 PM   #54
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Without tuning there is most likely no way it will get a 1.5 60' time. GM will have engineered too much torque management to launch that good.
Hmm...that sucks. I was thinkin with the roots and all that instant TQ it woulda been able to pull it off with some drag radials or slicks.
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Magazine Recap of key facts relating to speed.

Car and Driver Mag

Curb weight: 4120 lb
C/D TEST RESULTS:

Zero to 60 mph: 4.1 sec

Zero to 100 mph: 8.9 sec

Zero to 130 mph: 14.7 sec

Street start, 5–60 mph: 4.6 sec

Top gear, 30–50 mph: 7.8 sec

Top gear, 50–70 mph: 6.7 sec

Standing ¼-mile: 12.3 sec @ 119 mph

Top speed (drag ltd, mfr's claim): 180 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 165 ft
Roadholding, 250-ft-dia skidpad: 0.98 g

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ZL1 Boss 302
Curb Weight 4051 lb 3638 lb
TEST DATA
ACCELERATION TO MPH
ZL1 / Boss
0-30 1.6 / 1.7 sec
0-40 2.2 / 2.3
0-50 2.9 / 3.1
0-60 3.8 / 4.0
0-70 4.8 / 5.1
0-80 6.0 / 6.4
0-90 7.3 / 7.9
0-100 8.7 / 9.5
PASSING, 45-65 MPH 1.7 1.7
ZL1 / Boss
QUARTER MILE 12.1 sec @ 117.4 mph / 12.4 sec @ 113.9 mph
BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 108 ft 112 ft
LATERAL ACCELERATION 1.00 g (avg) 1.01 g (avg)
2.2-MI ROAD COURSE LAP 01:41.3 01:43.7
TOP-GEAR REVS @ 60 MPH 1700 rpm 1950 rpm


Autoweek Mag
CURB WT: 4120 lb.
0-60 MPH 3.9 sec (auto), 4.0 sec (manual)
1/4 Mile 12.0 (auto), 12.1 (manual)


AUTOMOBILE Mag
Weight 4084 lb..
0-60 4.3
0-100 9.5
1/4 mi. 12.6 @ 116 mph
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Old 01-22-2012, 09:12 PM   #56
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Interesting statement in Popular Mechanics:

Favorite Detail: In muscle cars, the automatic transmission is usually an afterthought. But the ZL1's six-speed auto slushbox is joyously effective. The manual mode—engaged via steering-wheel-mounted paddles—is responsive, and the automatic car is easier to launch. GM engineers claim that the automatic transmission makes for quicker quarter-mile runs, but in our testing, the manual was the better sprinter. The difference, however, was miniscule—the auto Camaro passed the quarter-mile in 12.58 seconds, while the manual car did it in 12.57.
Not that it really matters because I think we all will enjoy our cars no matter what transmission they are equipped with but some of our members have been caught up and gloating at the GM statement..

Read more: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Test Drive - Popular Mechanics
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Interesting statement in Popular Mechanics:

Favorite Detail: In muscle cars, the automatic transmission is usually an afterthought. But the ZL1's six-speed auto slushbox is joyously effective. The manual mode—engaged via steering-wheel-mounted paddles—is responsive, and the automatic car is easier to launch. GM engineers claim that the automatic transmission makes for quicker quarter-mile runs, but in our testing, the manual was the better sprinter. The difference, however, was miniscule—the auto Camaro passed the quarter-mile in 12.58 seconds, while the manual car did it in 12.57.
Not that it really matters because I think we all will enjoy our cars no matter what transmission they are equipped with but some of our members have been caught up and gloating at the GM statement..

Read more: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Test Drive - Popular Mechanics
Thanks ZL1NC !!

Their times were kinda slow vs the first four reviews received. They did not say if they used launch control or not. Their times just seem like possibly the driver used was not familiar with the car enough to test it properly. Imagine, a whole HALF second behind the other four tests. At about 116 MPH how many car lengths would that be? 8-12? Sorry, but it just seems like something is askew.

Note this race from another thread. The Dodge is 1/2 second behind the Camaro and is about 20 cars behind. The Camaro turned an 11.9 vs 12.5 for the Dodge. Same Difference as in the best mag tests vs Popular Mechanics http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...0&postcount=83
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Old 01-23-2012, 01:28 PM   #58
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Jalopnik review is up.

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Old 01-24-2012, 12:02 AM   #60
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Old 01-24-2012, 12:37 PM   #61
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They're teasing us with that black ZL1 on the lift pic.
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Old 01-24-2012, 03:00 PM   #63
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I just got done reading the Jalopnik review. It was decent. Just don't read the user comments at the end of the article. Jalopnik seems to be overrun by anti Camaro fanboys who like to hide behind the anonymity of the internet.
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The tires on ZL1 are obviously not tailored directly for the strip. You can't have it both ways. There's no sidewall and some of the reported tests were nowhere near optimized for traction or even power.

Passing judgement this early is really premature.
Exactly.....

I still don't understand why they didn't shoe the ZL1 with the Michelin PS2's,like the ZR1.

Ah well,it's a simple fix for ~$1800.00
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Exactly.....

I still don't understand why they didn't shoe the ZL1 with the Michelin PS2's,like the ZR1.

Ah well,it's a simple fix for ~$1800.00
Leaves room for improvement? It would be a fantastic "track package" or something goofy like that....just in case Ford gets too close for comfort.

The tires took a Z06 and made it nearly as fast as a ZR1...imagine what they could do on the Z Camaro.

EDIT: I was thinking Pilot Sport Cups. My mistake.
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Leaves room for improvement? It would be a fantastic "track package" or something goofy like that....just in case Ford gets too close for comfort.

The tires took a Z06 and made it nearly as fast as a ZR1...imagine what they could do on the Z Camaro.

EDIT: I was thinking Pilot Sport Cups. My mistake.
I'm curious to see what the PS2s do. I'm still left wondering why ZL1 is running good years, while the flagships in GM's fleet are off the floor with PS2... Maybe Michelin didn't want to cut a new tire for another car or something else, but I still have a feeling at least those Sport Cups might make their way onto ZL1. It would be silly not to, IMO. We know they work, so let's get on the ball
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I'm curious to see what the PS2s do. I'm still left wondering why ZL1 is running good years, while the flagships in GM's fleet are off the floor with PS2... Maybe Michelin didn't want to cut a new tire for another car or something else, but I still have a feeling at least those Sport Cups might make their way onto ZL1. It would be silly not to, IMO. We know they work, so let's get on the ball
I think it is so they have a trick up their sleeve for if / when the GT500 catches up. It would be easy to offer that option for 2013 or beyond and go back to the ring for a better time.
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I think it is so they have a trick up their sleeve for if / when the GT500 catches up. It would be easy to offer that option for 2013 or beyond and go back to the ring for a better time.
I think you're bang-on right. I'd really like to see those, an LS9 cam, and about 10 psi with those tires and a sending-off in a few years. I think some low-7:30s at the 'Ring would be possible More power for the straights, some more stick to go in hotter in the corners - mmm mmm good

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phillips chevy says my zl1 starts production feb 20 does anyone no how long the zl1 takes to build
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After watching the video taken at the plant, the statement for time to build a camaro was 18hrs start to finish.
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