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Old 02-11-2008, 02:01 PM   #1
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March 2008 Motor Trend

I came across an article in the March 2008 Motor Trend Magazine that says that the V-8 will be the first car produced, to be followed by the V-6. I'm sure not all the info is correct, but here is how it reads:

2009 Chevrolet Camaro

Chevy's nostalgic pony musclecar will leave the starting line well after it's rival Dodge - Camaro coupe production starts in February 2009, with a ragtop likely to follow in December. But maybe they're runnung a bracket race, with each car achieving similar sales at the finish line. Chevy envisions 65,000-70,000 initial sales, blooming to 100,000 when a V-6 comes online; Dodge totals are expected to be half that. Like the Challenger, the Camaro gets a proper B-pillar for crash-worthiness and a toned-down interior. Engine choices are likely to be cribbed from it's Pontiac G8 platformmate, including a 6.0-liter LS2 V-8 (perhaps juiced to 400 horses) with a range-topping 500-horse V-8 rumored to follow. The base engine should be a 3.6-liter V-6, but don't expect it to mimic 1969's rock-bottom pricing.
SUM UP: As Always, Camaro will likely outperform and undersell archrival Mustang.

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Old 02-11-2008, 02:04 PM   #2
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I've just an interesting idea, what if all the magazines that report on "rumored to be..."s actually get their rumors from sites like this? We cling to their reports yet they actually originate here....how funny would that be?
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Old 02-11-2008, 02:11 PM   #3
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I wouldn't be surprised if you were right. These sites do have more information than you can find anywhere else.
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That article still claims the Camaro will have an LS2, which we all know will be out of production by the time the Camaro comes out. Seems like more speculation to me.
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Old 02-11-2008, 02:50 PM   #5
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I came across an article in the March 2008 Motor Trend Magazine that says that the V-8 will be the first car produced, to be followed by the V-6. I'm sure not all the info is correct, but here is how it reads:

2009 Chevrolet Camaro

Chevy's nostalgic pony musclecar will leave the starting line well after it's rival Dodge - Camaro coupe production starts in February 2009, with a ragtop likely to follow in December. But maybe they're runnung a bracket race, with each car achieving similar sales at the finish line. Chevy envisions 65,000-70,000 initial sales, blooming to 100,000 when a V-6 comes online; Dodge totals are expected to be half that. Like the Challenger, the Camaro gets a proper B-pillar for crash-worthiness and a toned-down interior. Engine choices are likely to be cribbed from it's Pontiac G8 platformmate, including a 6.0-liter LS2 V-8 (perhaps juiced to 400 horses) with a range-topping 500-horse V-8 rumored to follow. The base engine should be a 3.6-liter V-6, but don't expect it to mimic 1969's rock-bottom pricing.
SUM UP: As Always, Camaro will likely outperform and undersell archrival Mustang.

That right there tells me this article has false information and has lost its credibility.
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Old 02-11-2008, 02:55 PM   #6
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It did say "likely" for the engine choices. So at least that part was speculation. Who knows about the rest of it.
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Old 02-11-2008, 03:07 PM   #7
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That right there tells me this article has false information and has lost its credibility.
+1, Yup. I call it the 'LS2 test'.

how do you know if they're telling the truth, or a half-truth??
Simple: Do they say 'LS2'?


I mean, technically - it is the LS2; 6.0L, small-block, ect - but it's not. It's called the L76.

On that note......I remember reading that article in my Chevy dealer while waiting for the oil to be changed....(Cobalt has a funny filtering system that I haven't taken the time to learn yet, and it's cold out)...anyways, I remember reading that - but I don't remember the LS2 part. My mind must have corrected it without telling me 'cause I definitely thought it said L76.
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Old 02-11-2008, 03:29 PM   #8
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Here some speculation from
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/c...-camaro-cheap/

GM product planners will heed calls to make the Camaro affordable and will offer a comparable lineup to Ford’s Mustang range by starting with a low cost entry-level V6 model. Execs at GM know the reason the Mustang is so successful is because it stayed true to its roots as a very affordable car to a very broad base of people, and now the General hopes to emulate this with its new Camaro.

Speaking with Automotive News, president of GM North America Troy Clarke told reporters that high-performance V8 models such as the Mustang Cobra and Shelby Mustang act as halo models and create a buzz that draws in customers to showrooms but at the end of the day it’s the more affordable V6 models that’s bringing in the profits.

The new Camaro coupe will eventually go on sale in February next year and followed by the convertible model roughly nine months later. Clarke revealed that both cars will get a base V6 engine, likely to be a 3.6L unit with about 281hp. Of course there will likely be limited edition V8 models as well.

“We know that the mission with the Camaro isn’t to create a specialty vehicle with a very narrow appeal that is very much subject to your wallet,” Clarke explained. “The concept of the car will evolve into a really fun-to-drive, stylish vehicle, as opposed to something that just breathes fire and has more cubic inches than the next guy.”

I doubt there will be LS2 engine since ls3 engine already replace it and it has been said that this is the last Gen IV small block (LS9 and LSA are based on LS3 block also).
But i'm curios..if gen V engine come in camaro will there be ls8 engine (which is also rumored to be based on ls3 engine and to be top engine for camaro) or will new top engine for camaro be based on gen V so we will have to wait even longer.
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Here some speculation from
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/c...-camaro-cheap/

GM product planners will heed calls to make the Camaro affordable and will offer a comparable lineup to Ford’s Mustang range by starting with a low cost entry-level V6 model. Execs at GM know the reason the Mustang is so successful is because it stayed true to its roots as a very affordable car to a very broad base of people, and now the General hopes to emulate this with its new Camaro.

Speaking with Automotive News, president of GM North America Troy Clarke told reporters that high-performance V8 models such as the Mustang Cobra and Shelby Mustang act as halo models and create a buzz that draws in customers to showrooms but at the end of the day it’s the more affordable V6 models that’s bringing in the profits.

The new Camaro coupe will eventually go on sale in February next year and followed by the convertible model roughly nine months later. Clarke revealed that both cars will get a base V6 engine, likely to be a 3.6L unit with about 281hp. Of course there will likely be limited edition V8 models as well.

“We know that the mission with the Camaro isn’t to create a specialty vehicle with a very narrow appeal that is very much subject to your wallet,” Clarke explained. “The concept of the car will evolve into a really fun-to-drive, stylish vehicle, as opposed to something that just breathes fire and has more cubic inches than the next guy.”

I doubt there will be LS2 engine since ls3 engine already replace it and it has been said that this is the last Gen IV small block (LS9 and LSA are based on LS3 block also).
But i'm curios..if gen V engine come in camaro will there be ls8 engine (which is also rumored to be based on ls3 engine and to be top engine for camaro) or will new top engine for camaro be based on gen V so we will have to wait even longer.
Nice article. I'm glad they KNOW that it has to be Mustang-affordable. I mean, we've been told 'Keep the Faith', and such - and I have - but it's nice to get some "concrete" articles with quotes like this.

IF, and that's a big 'if'. IF the Gen V goes into the Camaro...I don't think they'd hesitate to put a monster GenIV into the Top Dog...hp is hp, especially when you breach into that realm of power.....
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There is no way the base v6 is going to be a 3.6l 280 hp engine. That would push the price too high. I would expect to see either the 3.5 or 3.9 210-240hp if they want to keep the base around $22k.
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Old 02-11-2008, 07:25 PM   #11
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There is no way the base v6 is going to be a 3.6l 280 hp engine. That would push the price too high. I would expect to see either the 3.5 or 3.9 210-240hp if they want to keep the base around $22k.
But look at what new vehicles are using those engines - pretty much none. The 3.6 is becoming the default V6 for most GM products.
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i hope they arent a very reliable souce. putting the 6.0 in it almost seems like backtracking since they already have the 6.2 in the vettes. God i hope this isnt right.
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That right there tells me this article has false information and has lost its credibility.
what about that statement shows its lack of credability??? maybe im lost or been away too long.
i hope you are right that this is a false statement but last we knew there were no motor statistics or conformations/denials out there. right??
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i hope they arent a very reliable souce. putting the 6.0 in it almost seems like backtracking since they already have the 6.2 in the vettes. God i hope this isnt right.
Why? You're really hung up on this displacement thing, aren't you? (Not being rude)

If the 6 is a better engine...who cares? I've said it before...If one of the Gen V's is 5.3L, and pumps out 400hp, versus a 6.0 doing the same thing - I'm as happy as I'll ever be.

backtracking only counts if there is no advancement in the technology.

(So, like going from an LS3 back down to an LS1: Then we'd have a problem!)

In this case, there is a GREAT amount of technological advancement...You never expected to see 7.0L become standard motors did you? Those are massive! I have a good feeling that 7L was the hump on the V8 engine curve. They're going to get smaller, but become MUCH more potent!!
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There is no way the base v6 is going to be a 3.6l 280 hp engine. That would push the price too high. I would expect to see either the 3.5 or 3.9 210-240hp if they want to keep the base around $22k.
The 3.5 and 3.9 are front drivers. The 3.6 is the only rear drive v6 in the GM inventory for cars. Because multiple cars are using this engine, it is built in quantity and that is why it can be offered in the Camaro and still have the base price around $20k.
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i hope they arent a very reliable souce. putting the 6.0 in it almost seems like backtracking since they already have the 6.2 in the vettes. God i hope this isnt right.
Everyone repeat after me: "Its not the size that matters..."

What if they use a 6.0L that makes more power than a 6.2? Or heck what about a 5.3L that makes more than a 6.2?
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I believe the Gen V will have an excellent V8. Look at the majority of the previous models... The Camaro typically has the base 'Vette engine in her. 1993-1997 Camaro; lt1 (detuned)

1993-1997 Corvette;

1998-2002 SS & Z28; ls1 (detuned).

1998-2004 Corvette; ls1.

2005-2006 GTO (Camaro/ Firebird's sad replacement) ls2.

2005-2006 Corvette; ls2.

There is an obvious pattern here. What is everyone concerned for? More than likely, whatever the '09 base 'Vette has, the '09 Camaro will have, tuned down about 20-30 horses, or so. It'll be okay.
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I thought the 3.6 was supposed to make about 260 and 300 (DI),but not 280 . . .

Anyway, motortrend is generally pretty good on things like this. But unless there is something that they know and we don't then I won't pay too much attention to this article. I think that what might have happened is that they were told 6.0L V8, and thought LS2. But who knows. I don't really care what V8 goes into the Camaro, so long as it costs ~26-30k.

Oh, and 2010 5thGen: you need to specify which 6.0L you are talking about. its not the 6.0L its a 6.0L. Same with 6.2L. Vettes have 2 6.2L engines. one makes 436 hp, the other makes 620 hp. Slight difference. So even if the engines have the same block and same displacement, if they have a different name and power rating they are different engines. Besides, typing LS2 requires fewer keystrokes than 6.0L.
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I've decided I'm no longer worrying about engines until something further is said by someone at GM. I have my own idea of HP #'s in mind since the concept debuted...and those #'s haven't changed.

I have already been told...."What if there were a V6 that put out just as much HP as your SS and saved you money on your car insurance?"

Don't be suprised if there is a HI PO V6 pushing 300hp if not over. At least, I won't be.
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There is another version of the 3.6 coming out in the Traverse that also puts out 281 HP. Sounds like the Camaro is getting the same engine.
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There is another version of the 3.6 coming out in the Traverse that also puts out 281 HP. Sounds like the Camaro is getting the same engine.
There's actually 3 versions of the 3.6. The normal and DI RWD version from the CTS and the FWD version in various states of tune appearing in many other platforms(Aura,Malibu,Equinox,Acadia, etc...). The Traverse and its sisters(Acadia,Outlook,Enclave) are available in either FWD or AWD, so it gets the FWD version. All versions are "basically" the same, but the changes for FWD applications make that engine unique.
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