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Old 02-12-2008, 09:28 PM   #18
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there may not be a waiting list for the manufacturer(gm/chevy), but i think that there may be waiting list at the dealerships. some dealerships have a waiting list that says for ex: if there are 5 camaros that come in and your name is one of the 5 people on the list, you will be either 1st,2nd 3rd 4th or 5th, you pick yours or to place the order. it is by no meens illegal or a scam but it basically entitles you to a first pick when the cars get to that specific dealership. now if you are ordering a car it doesnt really apply becasue anyone will be able to go and order a car from any dealer once that time arrives.
There will never be a waiting list from GM, un less it for the dealers, We don't buy the cars from GM, we buy them from the dealer, so there the ones who will have a list, and a list means markups.

Now as far as a GT500 Killer, comming out later, I could care less about how much HP the Camaro has, I want it because I Like it, all I care about is that it has a V8 and it sounds fricken awesome.
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Old 02-12-2008, 10:12 PM   #19
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I could care less about how much HP the Camaro has, I want it because I Like it, all I care about is that it has a V8 and it sounds fricken awesome.
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Old 02-12-2008, 10:56 PM   #20
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I'm buying one used anyway. I'll get a better deal on one that way. Besides, the Camaro I know is like a battle ax. You can keep hacking away with her, but the results still stay the same... she kills the competition! I've got about 200,000 miles on my '98 and she still performs better than any in her class. I have had to replace a few things, but that's just what you do when you have that many miles on a car. Nothing vital has been replaced,though. Only the belt tensioner, belt, spark plugs, head gaskets, (and almost every other gasket), alternator, and the fluids about a thousand times over. I plan on getting one with no more than 10,000 miles on her. Preferably 3,000. That way I can do the routine maintenance the way I want to.
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Old 02-15-2008, 10:50 PM   #21
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There will never be a waiting list from GM, un less it for the dealers, We don't buy the cars from GM, we buy them from the dealer, so there the ones who will have a list, and a list means markups.

Now as far as a GT500 Killer, comming out later, I could care less about how much HP the Camaro has, I want it because I Like it, all I care about is that it has a V8 and it sounds fricken awesome.
not true . list dont meen markups. and yeah tye do have wating list and order list from gm. a friend of mine was on the list for the pontiac solstice when it first came out and so were thousands of other people.
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Old 02-16-2008, 02:37 AM   #22
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I have never heard of getting on a list with GM. I have, however, heard of getting on a "list" with a dealer. You place your special order through a dealer to GM. So, if you want to get on a list, you go to your dealer, get them to place you on a list, and then the dealer calls you to say they are ready for you to come in to place your order.

Let's say that dealer "A" gets allocated 5 top of the line Camaros per quarter. The dealer has 15 people on a list (in order from 1st person to come in to last). The dealer gets 5 open allocation slots. Dealer calls buyer, says come in, order is placed, cars arrive, and are sold off the lot. Next quarter arrives and GM says you get another 5. Process repeats. I can not say for fact, but I imagine this is how it would run. (This is how I ordered my 02 Z28).

I wouldn't have the slightest clue how and to whom you would contact to get on a list w/ GM. You don't buy the car from them. You buy it from a dealer.

And, like Stovt said, sometimes lists do mean mark ups. If a dealer "A" says we're only selling them at $5K over MSRP right now, then those willing to pay that $5K over get their cars from the list first. As they axe people from the list, they drop their GOUGED PRICES (cause that's how I see it), and call in those willing to pay $2K over MSRP, and so on. Lists can mean mark ups. I, for one, refuse to pay anything over MSRP. I don't care....I'll wait and spend less to get the same as the guy who spends $5K over. That's just $5K less he/she will have to spend on mods!!!
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Yup thats about how it works. Dealers are allocated a certain amount of each car. They can use an allocation slot to order a car to customer's specifications (within limits, depending on manufacturer's policy), modify a car already in the allocation pipeline, or reserve a car in transit from the manufacturer to the dealership. The manufacturer's regional sales and distribution unit will determine allocation numbers, mainly using past sales. So of course, the more sales, the more Camaros, and the more options to get it how you want it. But the more sales, the more people willing to pay good money to be on that list, at least at first. When I worked inventory at a dealership we just had a simple excel list of the person and their car's specifications. If we happened to get allocated a match, then that person was the lucky winner and they got their car. If we had to special order it then it would all depend on when it was made and allocated to us.
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im just telling you how my buddy ordered his solstice. he even got calls from pontiac saying his order was behind and they kept sending him free shirts and hats to keep him happy! trust me i wouldnt have any reason to lie to you guys.
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Old 02-18-2008, 12:02 AM   #25
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im just telling you how my buddy ordered his solstice. he even got calls from pontiac saying his order was behind and they kept sending him free shirts and hats to keep him happy! trust me i wouldnt have any reason to lie to you guys.
Oh, no. We're not saying you're lying...not at all . I only explained it how I knew it to work on my end. I was just wondering who exactly your buddy claimed to place his order with. I'm not saying you're wrong at all, but I have a feeling it was a Pontiac dealership that kept sending him hats, etc. Again, no dis to you!
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Yup thats about how it works. Dealers are allocated a certain amount of each car. They can use an allocation slot to order a car to customer's specifications (within limits, depending on manufacturer's policy), modify a car already in the allocation pipeline, or reserve a car in transit from the manufacturer to the dealership. The manufacturer's regional sales and distribution unit will determine allocation numbers, mainly using past sales. So of course, the more sales, the more Camaros, and the more options to get it how you want it. But the more sales, the more people willing to pay good money to be on that list, at least at first. When I worked inventory at a dealership we just had a simple excel list of the person and their car's specifications. If we happened to get allocated a match, then that person was the lucky winner and they got their car. If we had to special order it then it would all depend on when it was made and allocated to us.
I actually find it ridiculous that I couldn't walk into any Chevy dealer and place an order for a Camaro at any time.

So, they tell a dealer 'you're getting X amount of Camaro's, after that your SOL if anyone else wants one'?

A customer should be able to walk in at any time and place an order (assuming they pass credit checks and prove they are serious). It's a guarunteed sale for god's sake!

I can understand a limit for models to be placed on the lot, but there should be no limits to how many orders can be placed on behalf of a paying customer.
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Old 02-18-2008, 11:12 AM   #27
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I think there may be allocations for the first few months, but that's probably for the FIRST units available to the dealer. The Camaro is not a limited production vehicle, once production is ramped up you should be able to go into any Chevy dealer and have them order one for you. You might have to wait for a few months, but I don't think they'll put limits on production numbers for the car. Remember, they want to sell as many as possible.
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Old 02-18-2008, 11:26 AM   #28
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A customer should be able to walk in at any time and place an order (assuming they pass credit checks and prove they are serious). It's a guarunteed sale for god's sake!

I can understand a limit for models to be placed on the lot, but there should be no limits to how many orders can be placed on behalf of a paying customer.
GM can only build and ship so many cars in a given time frame.
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GM can only build and ship so many cars in a given time frame.
I think the point is that if they know in advance that you've preordered one they know how many to build. And if you pre order you've conceded that you will wait to get it. Not a bad deal for GM imo. Of course this is always going to be based on GM's ability to turn a profit on sales. Blah blah.
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Well there is a physical limit to the amount of cars that can be turned out of the factory at any given time. So its not that Chevy doesn't want to build more. They certainly do. But they have a limited amount of orders they can ship out in a given time period. So you can always order one through your dealer, but it the order goes on a waiting list until the car can be built
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At the same time, they may not want to max out capacity to avoid dampening demand. If they keep the car a little scarce, that inflates demand for a 'hard to get item'. They did this with the Solstice and Sky and it seemed to work, at least for a while.

On the other hand, you take a car like the Malibu where they want to build as many as they can. So many, they tooled up a second plant to keep up with demand.
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Old 02-20-2008, 04:47 PM   #32
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That's exactly correct. Look, the bottom line is that if you want to be one of the first guys to hit the streets with a 2010 Camaro, you had better find a dealer who is willing to put you on a waiting, or call list. Or, if you can wait a few months, when all the initial hype is over with, I'm sure that you will be able to walk into almost any dealer and either order one with the options you want, or buy one off the lot. Who knows, that may take more like 6 months, but we will have to wait and see.

I used to work at a dealer, and the way they would do it is put you on a call list which basically meant that they would call you the second they could order one and you had to either $hit or get off the pot at that point.
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Old 03-04-2008, 10:47 AM   #33
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I'm first on the list at Ramp Chevy, only had to put 500 down
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... First on the list at every major dealer around my college, and my home town. I also am first on a few lists around Roanoke. Didn't put money down though, whats the point. I also told the dealer right out I am not paying a dime over MSRP.
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