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View Poll Results: Which do you want known as THE top Camaro?
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Old 01-09-2007, 01:58 AM   #1
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Z28 Higher than SS?

First off, I'm not sure how options and/or packages go when it comes to the camaro. You guys know better than me. What I read on two different sites(I have to find them I forgot which ones) is that the base will be a v6 whatever,the second package; a v8 SS with the option to make it a SS/RS, and the hightest package will be the Z28 with a supercharge v8.
Is this true, I always thought the SS was the highest model.
Anyways, I will try to find those sites. What do you guys think about this?
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Don't know yet. Rumors, but no factual info....sorry.
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'bobbyhhh', while nothing is certain yet, I have "heard" that the 'Z' may be the "top dog" once again. We'll see.
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the z28 was the baddest thing you could have back in 69. ss was like our todays z28 it was the midclass camaro.
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the z28 was the baddest thing you could have back in 69. ss was like our todays z28 it was the midclass camaro.
Im not so sure about that.
in 69 you had two powerful 396 motors, L78 & L89 (311 made) not to mention the baddest of the bad, the COPO 427 cars

With Chevy's recent rebirth of the SS nameplate, I can see how SS would be the top performing Camaro, but we'll see.

Like TAG stated, plenty of speculation soo far
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Old 01-10-2007, 11:20 AM   #6
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no i am sure becasue my dad had one back in the day and the insurance companies looked at them has the faster and more powerful of the 2. yeah there were 427 but how many do you see around that are matching numbers and came like that from factory? so as far as the 2 cars themselves ( z28 and ss) the z no matter what motor was in it was considered the better faster car
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no i am sure becasue my dad had one back in the day and the insurance companies looked at them has the faster and more powerful of the 2. yeah there were 427 but how many do you see around that are matching numbers and came like that from factory?

so as far as the 2 cars themselves ( z28 and ss) the z no matter what motor was in it was considered the better faster car
...until they lined up on Woodward, Telegraph or any other cruising strip in the USA

We were talking about then, not how many are left now
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Time will tell, re; which Camaro model will be "tops". Everything right now is pure speculation. We need to sit tight and see what Chevrolet decides.

As for the past, Z v. SS debate;

You will get numerous opinions on which was the better Camaro. Alot depends on what the owner wanted out of their car. Yes. The Z/28 (with the 302) was considered the better handler, due to the lighter weight of the SB, but those who drove their Camaro's a 1/4 mi. at a time, the BB Camaro was better.

As for the amount of "numbers matching" Camaro's out there today, they all are dwindling, regardless of whether its a Z/28 or an SS.

Again, the issue of which Camaro was better will never be answered by one person.
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Time will tell, re; which Camaro model will be "tops". Everything right now is pure speculation. We need to sit tight and see what Chevrolet decides.

As for the past, Z v. SS debate;

You will get numerous opinions on which was the better Camaro. Alot depends on what the owner wanted out of their car. Yes. The Z/28 (with the 302) was considered the better handler, due to the lighter weight of the SB, but those who drove their Camaro's a 1/4 mi. at a time, the BB Camaro was better.

As for the amount of "numbers matching" Camaro's out there today, they all are dwindling, regardless of whether its a Z/28 or an SS.

Again, the issue of which Camaro was better will never be answered by one person.
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First generation
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The debut Camaro shared some mechanicals with the 1968 Chevy II Nova. Almost 80 factory and 40 dealer options, including three main packages, were available.

The RS was an appearance package that included hidden headlights, revised taillights, RS badging, and exterior rocker trim. It was available on all models.

The SS included a 350 (5.7L) V8 engine (the 350 was only available in the Camaro in 1967, it became available in other carlines in 1968), and the L35 and L78 396(6.5L) big-block V8's were also available. The SS featured non-functional air inlets on the hood, special striping and SS badging on the grille, gas cap, and horn button. It was possible to order both the SS and RS to receive a Camaro SS/RS. In 1967, a Camaro SS/RS convertible with a 396(6.5L) engine paced the Indianapolis 500 race.

The Z/28 option code was introduced in December 1966 for the 1967 model year. This option package wasn't mentioned in any sales literature, so it was unknown to most buyers. The Z/28 option required power front disc brakes and a Muncie 4-speed manual transmission. The Z/28 featured a 302(4.9L) small-block V-8 engine, 3" crankshaft with 4" bore, an aluminum intake manifold, and a 4-barrel vacuum secondary Holly carburetor of 780CFM. The engine was designed specifically to race in the Trans Am series (which required engines smaller than 305(5.0L) and public availability of the car. Advertised power of this engine was listed at 290hp (216kW). This is an under-rated figure. Chevrolet wanted to keep the horsepower rating at less than 1hp per cubic inch, for various reasons (e.g. insurance and racing classes). The factory rating of 290hp occurred at 5300 rpm, while actual peak for the high-revving 302 was closer to 360hp (with the single four barrel carb) to 400hp (with optional dual-four barrel carbs) (269 to 298kW) at 6800-7000 rpm. The Z/28 also came with upgraded suspension, racing stripes on the hood, and 'Z/28' emblems for the fenders (in 68 & 69). It was also possible to combine the Z/28 package with the RS package.

Only 602 Z/28s were sold in 1967. The 1967 and 1968 Z/28s did not have raised cowl induction hoods as was optional on the 1969 Z/28s. The 1967 Z28 received air from an open element air cleaner or from an optional cowl plenum duct attached to the side of the air cleaner that ran to the firewall and got air from the cowl vents. 15-inch rally wheels, were included with Z/28s had while all other 1967-9 Camaros had 14-inch wheels.

The Camaro's standard drivetrain was a 230 (3.8L) straight-6 engine rated at 140hp (104kW) and backed by a Saginaw three-speed manual transmission. A four-speed manual was also available. The two-speed "Powerglide" automatic transmission was a popular option in 1967 and 1968 until the three-speed "Turbo Hydra-Matic 350" replaced it starting in 1969. The larger Turbo 400 three-speed was an option on L35 SS396 cars.

Production numbers:

RS: 64,842
SS: 34,411
Z28: 602
Total: 220,906
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Time will tell, re; which Camaro model will be "tops". Everything right now is pure speculation. We need to sit tight and see what Chevrolet decides.

As for the past, Z v. SS debate;

You will get numerous opinions on which was the better Camaro. Alot depends on what the owner wanted out of their car. Yes. The Z/28 (with the 302) was considered the better handler, due to the lighter weight of the SB, but those who drove their Camaro's a 1/4 mi. at a time, the BB Camaro was better.

As for the amount of "numbers matching" Camaro's out there today, they all are dwindling, regardless of whether its a Z/28 or an SS.

Again, the issue of which Camaro was better will never be answered by one person.
True, True and very true
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Old 01-11-2007, 11:48 AM   #12
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Ya but you guys can't forget the Yenco Camaro w/the 427 and the very bad ass 69 SS 427 Rat engine. I have never saw a matching # Z/28 w/a 427 in it. A guy my dad works for has a 69SS 427 Rat all matching numbers w/all the paper work, and he is the original owner. A very nice car. But we have all ready had this discussion once before haven't we moose. We have a little bet going, I think the SS will be top, but he says the Z/28 will be top. I guess it is what you like and what your hoping for in the camaro.
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Ya but you guys can't forget the Yenco Camaro w/the 427 and the very bad ass 69 SS 427 Rat engine. I have never saw a matching # Z/28 w/a 427 in it

z28s have never been produced with a big block. All big block cars were either COPOs or RS/SS.
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z28s have never been produced with a big block. All big block cars were either COPOs or RS/SS.
To elaborate, you could get a BBC in a COPO or SS Camaro from GM directly, RS was optional as well
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Old 01-12-2007, 06:11 PM   #15
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Thumbs up :)

The SS is the BEST!

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Old 01-14-2007, 09:19 PM   #16
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Z/28 was top dog.
12 bolt rears. 10 bolt in SS models
No A/C for weight reduction
Best Steering Ratio (tightest)
Most rear leafs in springs.
Most serious gear sets in rear. Smallest to fit a real Z/28 rear was a set of 4:10's
Chamberd exhaust
Cross Ram intake options and the list goes on.
This doesn't mean there were not some bad ass SS models.....
But the Z was and always has been the flag ship of the Camaros.

I hope as close to the concept as possible doesn't mean that cheeeezy cheap looking grill. Bring back the "hide a way" head lights for the serious performance models.
Bring in the LS7 when you get real valve springs and no more oil starvation to the bearings.

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Old 01-14-2007, 10:16 PM   #17
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This "debate" reminds me of one where's there's no "right" or "wrong" answer.

As for which 5th Gen. will be "top dog", 'SS' or 'Z28',
only time will tell.

In my opinion, both 'SS' and 'Z28' Camaro's are great cars in their own respect, whether they're a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th Gen.

Whatever the "top dog" is called, bottom line....it's a CAMARO!!! I'll be happy whatever it's designation.

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Old 01-24-2007, 09:19 PM   #18
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There will continue to be a debate.
First gens, the 302's were underrated and could keep up with 396 big blocks.
2nd gens, the powerful LT-1 350 could outpower the 396(402) big blocks.
The 427 cars were COPO, not SS or Z28.
SS died back in 74, and Z28 kept going on being the best and baddest Camaro ever. Only till SLP stepped up in 96 did the SS become a top model.

With the future car, who knows. Chevy has taken this approach recently of making the top of the line performance and trim being the SS model, for the exception of the Corvette.

My support is behind a Z28. For one reason, and one reason only. I stole this from another board, but its very simple...."Any Chevy can be an SS, but only one car can be a Z28."

In the means to pacifiy both the SS and Z28 community, I belive that SS and Z28 could both share a powerful engine, but they would be the "Odd Couple" the SS can be the more civil higher end Camaro with leather and higher trim, while the Z28 gets bigger brakes, tighter suspension, better tires, etc.
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Old 01-25-2007, 01:15 AM   #19
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Z28 top dawg baby...i hope so

Red 6spd please
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well you all keep saying that a SS and a copo only had the 427 but your wrong, your forgetting the Yenco. All and Bigals87z28 I can show you a #'s matching SS Camaro with a 427, so say now the SS never came with a 427. But I am for the SS with a 6-speed because in the past years a SS camaro is rarer than a Z28, Z28 has been the most popular option since the 70 camaro because there were no more SS camaro's till the 90's. That is why I think Chevrolet will give it the SS badge. But I am telling you now they will not release both the SS and Z28, there will be only one.
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well you all keep saying that a SS and a copo only had the 427 but your wrong, your forgetting the Yenco. All and Bigals87z28 I can show you a #'s matching SS Camaro with a 427, so say now the SS never came with a 427. But I am for the SS with a 6-speed because in the past years a SS camaro is rarer than a Z28, Z28 has been the most popular option since the 70 camaro because there were no more SS camaro's till the 90's. That is why I think Chevrolet will give it the SS badge. But I am telling you now they will not release both the SS and Z28, there will be only one.
mmmmmm....I think they might be releasing both. My .02C
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Ya but you guys can't forget the Yenco Camaro w/the 427 and the very bad ass 69 SS 427 Rat engine. I have never saw a matching # Z/28 w/a 427 in it. A guy my dad works for has a 69SS 427 Rat all matching numbers w/all the paper work, and he is the original owner. A very nice car. But we have all ready had this discussion once before haven't we moose. We have a little bet going, I think the SS will be top, but he says the Z/28 will be top. I guess it is what you like and what your hoping for in the camaro.
This one you are going to have to prove… I have never read nor heard any information about this “White Unicorn”…
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Same here, Id like to see GM documents showing the regular production of 427 equiped SS Camaros from 67 to 69. I dont mean dealer or COPO order, I mean SS equiped cars with 427's from the factory, orderd from a dealer, not through COPO.
Yenko is a dealer, as was Baldwin Motion, Nickey, Berger, and Im sure a few other not so well known dealers who wanted to make money on the muscle car craze.
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Not only Yenko's but there were "Motion Performance" cars. They worked with Baldwin Chevrolet in Baldwin long island N.Y. They had stage 1,2 and 3 cars. Check their web site for their latest '69 camaro. Very similar to Unique Performance '69's.
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I think the '69 Camaro had an SS meant to be top dog, but they found the Z28 to be the better of the two in handling and similiar in speed. And then I know the SS dies out in the 70's for a bit and the Z28 was the top dog, and I know a Z28 is rarer from '69, saw it on Barret Jackson. But as for the new Camaro what is being projected is a lineup similiar yo compete with the Mustang, a injected V6 maybe a 3.8, then a possible RS to better the V6's looks and bump up the horsepower, like the Stang's Pony Package, then there will be the Z28 with the LS2 Vette motor with Z06 suspension, and finally a year or two later they should have the LS7 in the SS or LZ-1 or maybe they will put the new LS-9 in it or do LS7 for the SS and a LS9 for a LZ-1 if they decide to do both.

But I would bet this - Base Camaro: (est. 3.8) V6, RS Package: (est. 3.8) V6 (bumped up looks and horsepower), Z28: LS2 6.0 V8 (with Z06 Suspension Package available), ...........eventually SS / LZ-1: LS7 7.0 V8. That is what I would bet on!
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