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Old 03-16-2012, 02:01 PM   #2701
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PQ,

how will this be affected by my getting modified LCA's,... I would think the hardware attachment points would be the same and allow for me to still install the Pedders stuff without hassle... Maybe I'm wrong...

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Old 03-16-2012, 02:06 PM   #2702
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I think the only hang up may be the curve of the bar and where the inside of the wheel end up in relation to each other with the FE4/5 set up
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Old 03-16-2012, 02:06 PM   #2703
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Old 03-16-2012, 02:08 PM   #2704
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how will this be affected by my getting modified LCA's,... I would think the hardware attachment points would be the same and allow for me to still install the Pedders stuff without hassle... Maybe I'm wrong...

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Depends on what which suspension they are for FE3 or FE4/5

If the LCA's are FE3 (early SS) then you get the same sway bar in the first pick PQ posted. If you get LCAs for the FE4/5 (newer SS and ZL1) you get the sway bar from the second pic he posted.

I'm guessing BMR is only making an FE3 LCA at this time.
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Old 03-16-2012, 02:14 PM   #2705
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how will this be affected by my getting modified LCA's,... I would think the hardware attachment points would be the same and allow for me to still install the Pedders stuff without hassle... Maybe I'm wrong...

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What LCA's are you getting?

The FE4 arms are different in a few places, so if you are using the older FE3 type that was on all 2010 and 2011 cars then the FE4 sway bars will not fit properly.
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Old 03-16-2012, 02:17 PM   #2706
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What LCA's are you getting?

The FE4 arms are different in a few places, so if you are using the older FE3 type that was on all 2010 and 2011 cars then the FE4 sway bars will not fit properly.
he's looking at the BMR adjustable LCA's
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Old 03-16-2012, 02:19 PM   #2707
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neither the BMR or the Spohn arms will work currently, i would have to see the modified arm to have an opinion on if it will work.
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These?



These will only work with the FE3 set up. At least to me it seems that way. It does say it will clear the Weld 17" wheels though.
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One from the side/underneath.

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Old 03-16-2012, 02:36 PM   #2710
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neither the BMR or the Spohn arms will work currently, i would have to see the modified arm to have an opinion on if it will work.
you can't use the Pedders FE3 Style bars with those arms?
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Old 03-16-2012, 02:40 PM   #2711
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you can't use the Pedders FE3 Style bars with those arms?
The 3s, yes.
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Old 03-16-2012, 02:59 PM   #2712
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These?

These will only work with the FE3 set up. At least to me it seems that way. It does say it will clear the Weld 17" wheels though.
Not those. Check out this thread for the new arm they are developing...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=208818
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Old 03-16-2012, 03:17 PM   #2713
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I'm oficially confused now...

Yes, Garc posted the proper LCA's but I have no idea whether they are FE1, FE2, FE3, FE4, FE5, FE6, FE7 or what...

Maybe Em can use some of her learning in iron and stuff and clue me in... ore at least espalin it....
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Old 03-16-2012, 03:18 PM   #2714
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and by the by, do I need them fancy sways to go really really fast/quick in a straight line, or is that more for swoopdy loopdy cars....
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Old 03-16-2012, 03:27 PM   #2715
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I think the new arms are being developed to work with FE3 (early SS) but obviously not (according the the pics Norm posted) the new FE4 stuff.
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In other words Robert, just ignore me. You have the early LCAs and sway bars.

I was thinking you had done the FE4/5 stuff.

So you should be fine.

My bad.
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In other words Robert, just ignore me. You have the early LCAs and sway bars.

I was thinking you had done the FE4/5 stuff.

So you should be fine.

My bad.
I don't wanna ignore you Randy... you're full of ............useful information...

Seriously, I have no idea what all this stuff is... i'm a little more savy about motors and transmissions and diffs and stuff... Going fast around a corner has never been super important to me, fun yes, but critical... not so much...

Sorry dude... but I will not ignore you... you're one of my favorite peeps on here... and so much fun....
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I'm oficially confused now...

Yes, Garc posted the proper LCA's but I have no idea whether they are FE1, FE2, FE3, FE4, FE5, FE6, FE7 or what...

Maybe Em can use some of her learning in iron and stuff and clue me in... ore at least espalin it....
I keep waiting for BMR to send me a note to let me know. I have told you everything I know... that is they are developing a new LCA that will work with wheels smaller than 17". If I hear from them again or see anything else, then I'll let you know. In the meantime, I'm holding off on race wheels.

If they BMR arms aren't out by the time my car is done, then I'll get 16x10 wheels, use the V6 rear brakes I bought, and have IPS modify my stock LCAs to work with the 16" wheels. (It involves cutting a small notch in each LCA and welding a small plate to them to fill in the notch).

I really want to use MT drag radials (not slicks) on my car because the DRs supposedly work better than slicks on these heavy cars to keep them stable at the fast end of the track. I want to get a width of at least 305 (preferably 315) for the rear and you can't get those widths in a MT DR II that will fit a 17x10 wheel. There is,however, a MT DR II for 16x10 wheels (P315/45R16) which is one reason I want to go with a 16" wheel.
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I don't wanna ignore you Randy... you're full of ............useful information...

Seriously, I have no idea what all this stuff is... i'm a little more savy about motors and transmissions and diffs and stuff... Going fast around a corner has never been super important to me, fun yes, but critical... not so much...

Sorry dude... but I will not ignore you... you're one of my favorite peeps on here... and so much fun....
LOL, Oops.....

I better go edit my post in my thread then.
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I'm oficially confused now...

Yes, Garc posted the proper LCA's but I have no idea whether they are FE1, FE2, FE3, FE4, FE5, FE6, FE7 or what...

Maybe Em can use some of her learning in iron and stuff and clue me in... ore at least espalin it....
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Old 03-16-2012, 04:15 PM   #2721
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how will this be affected by my getting modified LCA's,... I would think the hardware attachment points would be the same and allow for me to still install the Pedders stuff without hassle... Maybe I'm wrong...

PETTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeee...???
I have spoken with Dan Howard about this. Dan has been a HUGE Pedders advocate. He put my name on his car as a co-driver which would be no big deal had we sponsored him. Dan paid retail for all his Pedders bits so I owe him a thank you. He'll be the first to get the Z bar for custom fitment to aftermarket arms.





It appears there is some structure in the area of the arm where the drop link would be placed.



This appears to be clear, but the plate in the area would require clearancing.





I was hoping the UPS freight with our bars would deliver today. Now it looks like Monday As soon as we get them in, Mr. Fabricator-I-am-going-to-make-them-fit Dan will be all over this.
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Not sure what I have for LCA's, but Pumpkin is in the first 5000 Vin# so I assume there 3's. I have the BMR sways and endlinks and it was a whole different car after they were installed.

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Not those. Check out this thread for the new arm they are developing...

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I'm oficially confused now...

Yes, Garc posted the proper LCA's but I have no idea whether they are FE1, FE2, FE3, FE4, FE5, FE6, FE7 or what...

Maybe Em can use some of her learning in iron and stuff and clue me in... ore at least espalin it....
All of the existing arms are designed for the old style base and FE3 sway bars. The new arm under development that Em linked to uses an FE3 old style sway bar mounting point, but with a spherical endlink. Geometrically it is the same FE3 sway bar setup.

The New style FE4 / FE5 / ZL1 arms use a drop link as opposed to an endlink with the mounting position close to the hub making it far more efficient than the old style inboard mounted sway bar. Initially we were convinced that the new geometry would require a softer smaller diameter rear sway bar. Our thinking was that ride quality would be compromised and rear too loose with a 32mm rear bar and the new mounting points. We started with a 32mm thinking we would work our way down to a smaller diameter softer bar. The results were so incredibly good. We stopped exactly where we started with a 32mm rear bar. We believe it is the strongest you can go without overloading the brackets and bolts that hold the bar in place.

The benefit of the geometry change is that the bar is closer to the wheel. With the new geometry, the bar reacts faster and functions more efficiently. For drag racing it means that the sway bar will be more effective at equally applying power / load to both wheels and the more direct faster action will reduce wheel hop. For the road course autocross of daily driver corner lover they will find the car far more balanced, easier to drive and sticks in the corner like unwanted white dog hair to a black suit.

The ZL1 delivers from the factory with non-adjustable 25mm front and 28mm rear solid sway bars for maximum strength. Pedders new Z style bars are solid 27mm adjustable fronts with 32mm rears,. The new Z style bar is the new standard for the 5th Gen.
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Not sure what I have for LCA's, but Pumpkin is in the first 5000 Vin# so I assume there 3's. I have the BMR sways and endlinks and it was a whole different car after they were installed.

All 2010 / 2011 Camaros are base or FE3 with the old style inboard mounting points for the rear sway bar. The 2012 has the new style rear lower control arm that uses droplink as opposed to endlink mounted near the hub. The ZL1 is FE5 with the new style rear lower control arm and much bigger bars solid 25mm front and solid 28mm rear.

The new style arm is a huge improvement over the 10s and 11s. HUGE. The 10s and 11s can be converted to the new style Z bar by replacing the rear lower control arms with the new style control arms and updated rear sway bar.
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All 2010 / 2011 Camaros are base or FE3 with the old style inboard mounting points for the rear sway bar. The 2012 has the new style rear lower control arm that uses droplink as opposed to endlink mounted near the hub. The ZL1 is FE5 with the new style rear lower control arm and much bigger bars solid 25mm front and solid 28mm rear.

The new style arm is a huge improvement over the 10s and 11s. HUGE. The 10s and 11s can be converted to the new style Z bar by replacing the rear lower control arms with the new style control arms and updated rear sway bar.
And will said "new style control arm" work with 16x10 wheels? If so, I'm buying.
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