Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
autoguy
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > Engine | Drivetrain | Powertrain Technical Discussions > V8 and V6 Transmissions / Driveline (6L80 / 6L50 / TR6060 / AY6)

V8 and V6 Transmissions / Driveline (6L80 / 6L50 / TR6060 / AY6) Driveshafts | Differentials | Gears | Rearends | Clutch | Shifters

View Poll Results: if you definitely want a cylinder please chose V6 or SS. need to figure out how many
I own a V6 20 20.83%
I own a V6 but will wait for a core exchange 7 7.29%
I own a SS 50 52.08%
I own a SS but will wait for a core exchange 21 21.88%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 96. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 03-29-2012, 05:45 PM   #26
IDEALG
"Chevy" rumbles best

 
IDEALG's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 2SS/RS 6 speed
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Ideal Garage aka (Grayskull) Fords, nj
Posts: 3,618
Send a message via AIM to IDEALG
Or were you asking about a remote bleeder?
__________________
IDEALG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2012, 05:48 PM   #27
kencam
 
kencam's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 2SS/RS M6 Maggie Rally Yellow
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Bucks, PA
Posts: 100
How high a rpm are we talking about? I'll see if I suffer the problem.

BTW, this Sat is on.

Quote:
Originally Posted by IDEALG View Post
I tested the clutch master cylinder today and it feels really good doesnt grab as close to the floor like the stock master. Shifts smooth just stepping on the clutch easy. I dont have to step all the way to the floor when shifting.

now I did 8 high rpm pulls from first to second ranging from 5800 rpm to redline stepping on clutch to the floor but not slamming it to the floor like previously posted in other threads. I had no grind issue!

This master cylinder flows more fluid and feels better then stock.

What i'm looking for is a volunteer. I want to install one of my master cylinders in someone elses car and see if it works for them.

So heres the deal:

I need one volunteer
you car must have a stock trans and i would like a stock clutch but i will accept an aftermarket clutch
and your car must only grind second gear at high rpm shifting only. If it grinds during regular driving or low rpm shifting i wont test it on your car.
you get to keep the master cylinder for free for being a test sample.

who would like to volunteer?
it will take me a few days to get another master cylinder built.
kencam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2012, 06:17 PM   #28
IDEALG
"Chevy" rumbles best

 
IDEALG's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 2SS/RS 6 speed
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Ideal Garage aka (Grayskull) Fords, nj
Posts: 3,618
Send a message via AIM to IDEALG
5000 rpm and up
__________________
IDEALG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2012, 06:46 PM   #29
techinny

 
techinny's Avatar
 
Drives: '12 Silverado 1500, '05 GMC 2500HD
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 1,403
Subscribing........NOW.
techinny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2012, 11:46 PM   #30
IDEALG
"Chevy" rumbles best

 
IDEALG's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 2SS/RS 6 speed
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Ideal Garage aka (Grayskull) Fords, nj
Posts: 3,618
Send a message via AIM to IDEALG
I need someone from Jersey who is willing to bring their car to me so i can test one of these master cylinders in their car. your car must grind second gear at high rpm only.

I need to get someone lined up so were ready to do it once i get another one built.

stieger I know you asked , are you in Jersey? I know your location says Meadville. is that Meadville NJ ?
__________________
IDEALG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2012, 11:59 PM   #31
The Stig
knows 2 facts about ducks
 
The Stig's Avatar
 
Drives: ...and they're both wrong
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: The HMS Invincible
Posts: 26,675
Quote:
Originally Posted by IDEALG View Post
I need someone from Jersey who is willing to bring their car to me so i can test one of these master cylinders in their car. your car must grind second gear at high rpm only.

I need to get someone lined up so were ready to do it once i get another one built.

stieger I know you asked , are you in Jersey? I know your location says Meadville. is that Meadville NJ ?
No unfortunately. I'm in Meadville PA. I haven't mapped it but it'd probably be around a 4-5 hour drive for me (depending where in Jersey you are).

And yea I was asking about the remote bleeder.
__________________
Click to view my build thread
The Stig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2012, 07:51 AM   #32
IDEALG
"Chevy" rumbles best

 
IDEALG's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 2SS/RS 6 speed
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Ideal Garage aka (Grayskull) Fords, nj
Posts: 3,618
Send a message via AIM to IDEALG
Quote:
Originally Posted by stieger View Post
No unfortunately. I'm in Meadville PA. I haven't mapped it but it'd probably be around a 4-5 hour drive for me (depending where in Jersey you are).

And yea I was asking about the remote bleeder.
ok, i'm in fords, nj. just checked your almost 7 hours away lol.

and Tick performance sells the bleeder. its on their website under driveline and then under clutch hydraulics
__________________

Last edited by IDEALG; 03-30-2012 at 08:53 AM.
IDEALG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2012, 09:53 AM   #33
BigCarrot
xbox: this is tedious
 
BigCarrot's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 1SS M6 Camaro IOM
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Pearland, TX
Posts: 707
Very interested in this thread... my 1-2 shift isn't very friendly and could cause issues in the future. When it gets that way I really have to push the clutch pedal to the floor to get the unfriendly 1-2 shift to stop.

I really hope this upgrade to the Clutch Master Cylinder does the trick. It's a very annoying feeling almost everytime I go into second but not enough for a warranty claim. Even if I got a warranty claim I'd end up with the same flawed parts so... I'm definitely on the list for this if it works.
__________________
Big Carrot's Changes - It's a work in progress
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiftydriver View Post
Seems like just yesterday I spent $450 for a Roto Fab CAI!!! What the hell happened.

Last edited by BigCarrot; 03-30-2012 at 10:30 AM.
BigCarrot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2012, 10:46 AM   #34
IDEALG
"Chevy" rumbles best

 
IDEALG's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 2SS/RS 6 speed
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Ideal Garage aka (Grayskull) Fords, nj
Posts: 3,618
Send a message via AIM to IDEALG
i'm making a list to see who is interested in one of these master cylinders if they work as intended . I need to know what im looking at so i can figure out a cost effective way to produce these. list will be updated regularly on my first post at the top.
__________________
IDEALG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2012, 10:48 AM   #35
Heliwrench
 
Heliwrench's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Black 1SS
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Langley BC
Posts: 672
If it's proven to work during all the testing, I'd get one.
__________________
2010 Black 1SS LS3 M6
Power: Kook's 1 7/8" Long Tubes and 3" Exhaust, Injen Full Length CAI, Jannetty Tune
Drivetrain: MGW Short Shifter, Street Slayer Twin Clutch, DSS 1 Piece Aluminum Driveshaft, DSS 1000HP Axles, BMR Pro and Delrin Diff Bushings
Suspension: BMR Trailing Arms and Bushings, FE6 Swaybar Conversion With Pedders 27mm Front and 32mm Rear ZL1 Swaybars and Links
Chassis: Hotchkis Chassis Max Brace, BMR Pro Cradle Bushings
Exterior:: Shine by Adam's.
...and plenty more
Heliwrench is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2012, 10:55 AM   #36
IndeedSS1


 
IndeedSS1's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro SS LS3
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Eastern MO
Posts: 3,804
Quote:
Originally Posted by Heliwrench View Post
If it's proven to work during all the testing, I'd get one.
Me too.
__________________


She is only memory now.
IndeedSS1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2012, 11:07 AM   #37
Inferno LSX
Supercharged LSX
 
Inferno LSX's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 2SS/RS Black/Carbon Fiber
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: City of Angels
Posts: 6,629
I would be interested in something like this. I have a LPE upgraded 20% ZR1 clutch. I hope something like this could help me out. This clutch hasn't been drag racing friendly with me.
__________________
Inferno LSX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2012, 11:14 AM   #38
IDEALG
"Chevy" rumbles best

 
IDEALG's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 2SS/RS 6 speed
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Ideal Garage aka (Grayskull) Fords, nj
Posts: 3,618
Send a message via AIM to IDEALG
Quote:
Originally Posted by Inferno LS3 View Post
I would be interested in something like this. I have a LPE upgraded 20% ZR1 clutch. I hope something like this could help me out. This clutch hasn't been drag racing friendly with me.
I have the katech version of that clutch and the master cylinder works on my car.
i'll add you to the list.
__________________
IDEALG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2012, 01:17 PM   #39
mrbrans5
 
mrbrans5's Avatar
 
Drives: IOM Bahia Int. 2LT RS M6 SR BH
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Whitby, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 711



Quote:
Originally Posted by IDEALG View Post
I tested the clutch master cylinder today and it feels really good doesnt grab as close to the floor like the stock master. Shifts smooth just stepping on the clutch easy. I dont have to step all the way to the floor when shifting.

now I did 8 high rpm pulls from first to second ranging from 5800 rpm to redline stepping on clutch to the floor but not slamming it to the floor like previously posted in other threads. I had no grind issue!

This master cylinder flows more fluid and feels better then stock.

What i'm looking for is a volunteer. I want to install one of my master cylinders in someone elses car and see if it works for them.

So heres the deal:

I need one volunteer
you car must have a stock trans and i would like a stock clutch but i will accept an aftermarket clutch
and your car must only grind second gear at high rpm shifting only. If it grinds during regular driving or low rpm shifting i wont test it on your car.
you get to keep the master cylinder for free for being a test sample.

who would like to volunteer?
it will take me a few days to get another master cylinder built.
__________________
mrbrans5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2012, 03:28 PM   #40
1977and2010
Tampa Gulf Coast Family
 
1977and2010's Avatar
 
Drives: 1977 Z28, 2SSRS 2010 M6
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Dunedin FL
Posts: 803
Add me to the list. I had the sticking clutch pedal and got a mantic single disk and at the same time put in the Tick performance SS master line and remote bleeder. The pedal doesn't stick any more but still feels a little spongy with hard driving/shifting. And you're right that remote bleeder line makes it easy to bleed.
__________________
1977and2010 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2012, 03:32 PM   #41
flht99b

 
flht99b's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS RJT
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Knoxville
Posts: 1,338
Count me in on this.
Ed M.
__________________
RJT 2SS/RS, AAM 3.70's, MTI Sway Bars, Shifter & SS brake lines, ZLI calipers & rotors, BMR Trailing & Toe Arms, full rear cradle & diff bushings, Pedders XA's, Camber/Toe eccentrics, Radius arm inserts, ZL1 Brembo Brake pads, GTO clutch reservoir, LS9 cam, Comp Cam valve springs, Melling 10296 oil pump, CR 5 timing chain, LS2 damper, CAI Cold Air Induction, ARH LT headers w/HF cats, GMPP touring axle back, Elite Engineering Catch Can, Forgeline 20x9.5 & 20x11 DS3 wheels w/Vredestein 275/40/20 & 315/35/20 tires, '11 Convertible spoiler, Lloyd "SS" Floor Mats, GM Camaro Trunk Mat
flht99b is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2012, 03:59 PM   #42
iHasCamaro
 
Drives: Silver 2012 1SS
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Oregon
Posts: 367
Also...
Are there rubber bushings on the clutch slave cylinder on these cars? (replace with poly/solid metal)
How long is the slave cylinder plunger? (install longer plunger)
Are the clutch lines rubber? (replace with stainless lines)
iHasCamaro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2012, 04:13 PM   #43
IDEALG
"Chevy" rumbles best

 
IDEALG's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 2SS/RS 6 speed
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Ideal Garage aka (Grayskull) Fords, nj
Posts: 3,618
Send a message via AIM to IDEALG
Quote:
Originally Posted by iHasCamaro View Post
Also...
Are there rubber bushings on the clutch slave cylinder on these cars? (replace with poly/solid metal)
How long is the slave cylinder plunger? (install longer plunger)
Are the clutch lines rubber? (replace with stainless lines)

The slave cylinder will only move as much the master cylinder will allow it.
Thats why with making the master cylinder flow more volume of fluid it will push the slave cylinder further provided theres enough room for it to move further.
__________________
IDEALG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2012, 04:41 PM   #44
piticu667
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Ontario in the commie North
Posts: 422
Quote:
Originally Posted by IDEALG View Post
I don't have a price yet. Part of the procedure to do this is costly doing one at a time. I'm trying to figure out how to do it cheaper doing 50 at a time. But I want to make sure it's going to work for everyone first
I wonder if expanding the master cylinder will fix our problem on the AY6? Do you guys know if the master cylinder is the same for both vehicles?
piticu667 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2012, 05:00 PM   #45
IDEALG
"Chevy" rumbles best

 
IDEALG's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 2SS/RS 6 speed
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Ideal Garage aka (Grayskull) Fords, nj
Posts: 3,618
Send a message via AIM to IDEALG
Quote:
Originally Posted by piticu667 View Post
I wonder if expanding the master cylinder will fix our problem on the AY6? Do you guys know if the master cylinder is the same for both vehicles?
Its the same part number so i yes i believe its the same .

I would need a v6 car to try it out though
__________________
IDEALG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2012, 05:09 PM   #46
The Stig
knows 2 facts about ducks
 
The Stig's Avatar
 
Drives: ...and they're both wrong
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: The HMS Invincible
Posts: 26,675
Interested.
__________________
Click to view my build thread
The Stig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2012, 05:20 PM   #47
Synner


 
Drives: 2011 2SS/RS M6
Join Date: May 2011
Location: overseas
Posts: 3,552
Interested depending on price. Was going to do the lines and maybe a separate reservoir this year sometime, it'd be nice to do this at the same time.
Synner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2012, 02:59 AM   #48
mrgm
cheap and fast
 
Drives: older
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Abilene, TX
Posts: 252
i would like to try. may not fit your grinding requirment. happens at low speeds also
mrgm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2012, 07:56 AM   #49
IDEALG
"Chevy" rumbles best

 
IDEALG's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 2SS/RS 6 speed
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Ideal Garage aka (Grayskull) Fords, nj
Posts: 3,618
Send a message via AIM to IDEALG
I just want everyone to please understand that this fix is primarily for high rpm shift grind. if your transmission is grinding at low speeds you probably have internal transmission issues.

I suggest everyone to change their fluid to royal purple or red line.
I also suggest that you let the transmission reach full operating temp. before beating on your car and shifting aggressively.
Shifting aggressively or at high rpm with this transmission cold with most definitely cause a grind .

I dont blame you for wanting to try this if your trans grinds at low speeds and in some cases it may fix the problem but dont be disappointed if it doesn't. its most likely an internal trans problem at low speed grinds.
__________________
IDEALG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2012, 12:22 PM   #50
J-Rod6410
M6 10 second club
 
J-Rod6410's Avatar
 
Drives: A 4000 Lb BeaSSt
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Crackin Azz on a hi-way near you
Posts: 1,050
I love this idea, the master def needs to flow faster. Also another problem is the extremely long clutch pedal travel. If you're driving the car at high rpm's shifting it's very easy to not remove your foot off the clutch pedal completely which in turn overheats the fluid and throw-out bearing which melts the plastic sleeve on the slave cylinder and then the slave blows out! I'm on my 4th slave already.

If this master could be made adjustable also like the ones that Tick makes for other gm cars we would be able to shorten the pedal travel and still flow more volume of fluid and it would be alot easier to not ride the clutch pedal and overheat it and you can shift faster. Either that or make a better slave that can take the heat

I've installed the tick adjustable master on my GTO and it completely changed the vehicle. Clutch travel is at about 50% from stock and since it flows more with less travel no more grinding gears and you can shift alot faster.

But either way i would be interested in ANYTHING that would make shifting easier at high rpm. My tranny has grinded second since day one. I've also had the sticking clutch pedal at high rpm launches since day one. The Lingenfelter return spring kit eliminated that problem though.

So yeah add me to the list. I'm def interested
__________________
TEAM LS3 Best pass: 10.72 @ 132

919RWHP 749RWTQ ECS S/C stock bottom end
Built by: J-Rod.... Tuned by: Matt Sorian @ FSP (floridaspeedandpower.com)
Check out my youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/6410Jrod
Follow me on Instagram: @J_Rod6410
J-Rod6410 is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Rear End Gears 101 danhr V8 and V6 Transmissions / Driveline (6L80 / 6L50 / TR6060 / AY6) 70 11-02-2014 09:37 AM
GTO Clutch Reservoir Install terry_b Camaro DIY & HOW-TO instructions & discussions 68 06-13-2014 08:46 PM
2nd gear grind issue and updated GM parts (pics) Oxtar41 V8 and V6 Transmissions / Driveline (6L80 / 6L50 / TR6060 / AY6) 66 03-03-2014 11:06 AM
V6 AY6 M6 2nd Gear Problem - Report Your Issue Here CAMAR0 V8 and V6 Transmissions / Driveline (6L80 / 6L50 / TR6060 / AY6) 1606 10-25-2012 04:18 PM
Street Slayer brought to you by Hendrix Engineering Hendrix-Engineering Transmission / Driveline 2 12-08-2011 03:55 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:48 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.