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Old 03-31-2012, 02:10 PM   #51
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The slave cylinder will only move as much the master cylinder will allow it.
Thats why with making the master cylinder flow more volume of fluid it will push the slave cylinder further provided theres enough room for it to move further.
Right, but additionally...

Stainless lines will not expand as much as rubber lines, and so has the same effect as pushing more fluid.
No amount of extra fluid will be used effectively if the plunger in the slave cylinder isn't long enough to actually move further.
If there is more pressure acting on the clutch, but the slave cylinder is being pushed back instead of pushing the clutch more due to rubber bushings, none of the fixes in regard to fluid flowing will be as effective as they could be.

I'm just trying to help the people with the problem. I don't know the Camaro well enough to know about the bushings, plunger, etc but I think it would be worth investigating. Seems like you are just dismissing the ideas without even checking them out.
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Right, but additionally...

Stainless lines will not expand as much as rubber lines, and so has the same effect as pushing more fluid.
No amount of extra fluid will be used effectively if the plunger in the slave cylinder isn't long enough to actually move further.
If there is more pressure acting on the clutch, but the slave cylinder is being pushed back instead of pushing the clutch more due to rubber bushings, none of the fixes in regard to fluid flowing will be as effective as they could be.

I'm just trying to help the people with the problem. I don't know the Camaro well enough to know about the bushings, plunger, etc but I think it would be worth investigating. Seems like you are just dismissing the ideas without even checking them out.
Im not disagreeing with you and i'm not dismissing the ideas but i cant change the slave cylinder and the plunger isnt reaching its end of travel. if the plunger is reaching the end of its travel then you could shim it out to make up the difference. Trust me i've been through this this isnt a scheme to make money. I've wasted thousands trying to solve my grind issue.
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Old 03-31-2012, 03:15 PM   #53
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I love this idea, the master def needs to flow faster. Also another problem is the extremely long clutch pedal travel. If you're driving the car at high rpm's shifting it's very easy to not remove your foot off the clutch pedal completely which in turn overheats the fluid and throw-out bearing which melts the plastic sleeve on the slave cylinder and then the slave blows out! I'm on my 4th slave already.

If this master could be made adjustable also like the ones that Tick makes for other gm cars we would be able to shorten the pedal travel and still flow more volume of fluid and it would be alot easier to not ride the clutch pedal and overheat it and you can shift faster. Either that or make a better slave that can take the heat

I've installed the tick adjustable master on my GTO and it completely changed the vehicle. Clutch travel is at about 50% from stock and since it flows more with less travel no more grinding gears and you can shift alot faster.

But either way i would be interested in ANYTHING that would make shifting easier at high rpm. My tranny has grinded second since day one. I've also had the sticking clutch pedal at high rpm launches since day one. The Lingenfelter return spring kit eliminated that problem though.

So yeah add me to the list. I'm def interested
Thats why Tick hasn't come out with anything yet. they are trying to make one thats adjustable in my opinion. I dont know them or have heard from them. the problem is the clutch pedal has a sensor on it and using an adjustable master cylinder must create some kind of problem .

i'll have more details on mine next week, so everyone hang tight and maybe we can solve this
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Old 03-31-2012, 03:25 PM   #54
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Im not disagreeing with you and i'm not dismissing the ideas but i cant change the slave cylinder and the plunger isnt reaching its end of travel. if the plunger is reaching the end of its travel then you could shim it out to make up the difference. Trust me i've been through this this isnt a scheme to make money. I've wasted thousands trying to solve my grind issue.
Haha I wasn't accusing you of scheming for profit. You seem genuinely dedicated to solving the issue, so I was just trying to help you and all the others, and make sure you didn't have the blinders on.

Good luck to you and everyone else. I hope you get it sorted.
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Haha I wasn't accusing you of scheming for profit. You seem genuinely dedicated to solving the issue, so I was just trying to help you and all the others, and make sure you didn't have the blinders on.

Good luck to you and everyone else. I hope you get it sorted.
No worries wasn't taking it that way i just want it to be clear that im here to help and that i've been dealing with this problem with my own car and its driving me nuts

Not sure what rubber bushings you are talking about either because the slaves on these cars dont have any rubber bushings. Anyway the only way i see to solve this problem is with the master cylinder.

I still need a volunteer from jersey or anyone willing to travel to me to test this cylinder out .
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I'm interested, can you message me more details. I have a v6 m6
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If you are willing to ship one to me I will get installed but I cannot drive to jersey.
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If you are willing to ship one to me I will get installed but I cannot drive to jersey.
i appreciate the offer but i need to test it here in person.
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If this works, your going to make a lot of people very happy. Myself included.
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If this works, your going to make a lot of people very happy. Myself included.
not only will i make you guys happy , but i will be able to finally smile when i drive my camaro and be happy myself. instead of GRIND!
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update!

I've mounted a stock camaro ss slave cylinder to my press. ( i used my press just because it was the easiest way to do it, the press itself has nothing to do with anything)

I am now able to test a stock master cylinder and compare it to my modified master cylinder and see how much more my master moves the slave cylinder then the stock master.

While testing this today I found out that the brand new stock master cylinder doesnt hold pressure so now it has to be returned for a another one. Thanks alot GM your holding us up now!

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I'm about 25 min from your shop. I'm real interested in trying this when your ready.
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wow! thanks for taking action and sharing your ideas and results. i cant wait to see how this works. good luck and god speed.
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I'm about 25 min from your shop. I'm real interested in trying this when your ready.
do you have the second gear grind at high rpm? and what clutch do you have?
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GM is killing me with these master cylinders, they have low stock of them and they all come from michigan.

I've Done all I can with my master cylinder, i cant modify it any further. over the weekend we've got it to flow as much as it can. I tried it in my car again this morning on my way back from the chevy dealer (had to drop off the bad master cylinder that doesnt hold pressure) My car does not grind anymore at high rpm shifting.

I'll have a new master cylinder tomorrow so i'm looking for someone near me to test it on sometime later in the week or this weekend.
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GM is killing me with these master cylinders, they have low stock of them and they all come from michigan.

I've Done all I can with my master cylinder, i cant modify it any further. over the weekend we've got it to flow as much as it can. I tried it in my car again this morning on my way back from the chevy dealer (had to drop off the bad master cylinder that doesnt hold pressure) My car does not grind anymore at high rpm shifting.

I'll have a new master cylinder tomorrow so i'm looking for someone near me to test it on sometime later in the week or this weekend.
Dude you rock... Thanks for all your work...
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Old 04-02-2012, 10:24 AM   #67
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Its the same part number so i yes i believe its the same .

I would need a v6 car to try it out though

That's great news for the V6 drivers who are plagued by the high rpm 1-2 shift as well..

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That's great news for the V6 drivers who are plagued by the high rpm 1-2 shift as well..

Count me in!!
yes it is, i just wish some NJ Grinders would come forward so we could test it in their car. I want to be sure it will work for all of us and not just me.

you have to remember theres a lot of us out there and we all have different clutch set ups. theres no way i could test them all.
So far i know this works on the stock clutch for the ss and also the LS9 twin disc clutch.

I murdered my car testing it to be sure for you guys that it will work, so if i get another ss in here and a v6 to test i'll be pretty confident it will work for everyone.
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IdealG.. It's good to know GM is selling defective master cylinders that don't hold pressure...
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yes it is, i just wish some NJ Grinders would come forward so we could test it in their car. I want to be sure it will work for all of us and not just me.

you have to remember theres a lot of us out there and we all have different clutch set ups. theres no way i could test them all.
So far i know this works on the stock clutch for the ss and also the LS9 twin disc clutch.

I murdered my car testing it to be sure for you guys that it will work, so if i get another ss in here and a v6 to test i'll be pretty confident it will work for everyone.

If you are looking for V6 grinders.. Here's 62 pages of them. Post here and I am sure you'll find someone nearby...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91813
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IdealG.. It's good to know GM is selling defective master cylinders that don't hold pressure...
I know lol, I was thinking that maybe this is the reason why some of you are having problems with sticking clutch pedals and maybe even low rpm grinding.
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I know lol, I was thinking that maybe this is the reason why some of you are having problems with sticking clutch pedals and maybe even low rpm grinding.

That's what I was thinking too. On the V6 guys have had trannys replaced and the problem still existed. I wonder if this is "THE FIX".

In that case you should be crowned Camaro King by GM.
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That's what I was thinking too. On the V6 guys have had trannys replaced and the problem still existed. I wonder if this is "THE FIX".

In that case you should be crowned Camaro King by GM.
its possible only time and testing will tell. same with the ss guys lots of us had our trans fixed and upgraded and still have trouble. i have proved to myself that this works for my car. i want to test someone elses and see how they drive their car and see if it fixes it for them.
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its possible only time and testing will tell. same with the ss guys lots of us had our trans fixed and upgraded and still have trouble.
Same as us V6 guys.. Its funny how the transmissions are different but the cylinder is the same... I am really starting to think the cylinder is the culprit.

Looking forward to anymore updates.
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What is the theory behind why this would fix the high rpm 1st to 2nd grind? I've heard others say the grind may be caused by inadequate synchros in the tranny. Others have also said that GM acknowledged this for LS3 guys and started using carbon fiber synchros to eliminate the grind. The synchro theory makes sense, but I don't understand how a new master cylinder that flows better and faster would help with grind. I am not an expert by any means, so please school me.
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