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Old 04-02-2012, 06:29 PM   #26
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Corbeau LG1 seats. We used their bolt-in seat tracks as well. Changing the seats saved approximately 150 pounds over the factory seats.
I thought this quote was worth another look. Yeah, 150 lbs savings. HUGE!

If that is the case;
150 - seats
30 - exhaust
10 - washer fluid bottle
20 - 2 piece rotors
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At this point there is not a whole lot that can be done for weight reduction without re-engineering and costly and/or exotic materials. It is what it is, the weight of the 5th gen Camaro cannot be radically altered at this point in time unless buyers are willing to pay a very substantial premium.
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a little price increase wouldn't hurt the 1LE. if its priced similar to the Boss its gonna do just fine.

and plus most people gonna be buying the 1LE are Hrdcore Track people and somebody that knows what the car is really for. those people are most of the time willing to pay a little extra.

if GM priced the 1LE at $45-$48k I personally think thats fair. Do you seriously believe that its gonna be under $40k? the Fully loaded SS sells for $39k. GM is not stupid. why buy the SS if you can have the Better one for a $1k difference?
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I thought this quote was worth another look. Yeah, 150 lbs savings. HUGE!

If that is the case;
150 - seats
30 - exhaust
10 - washer fluid bottle
20 - 2 piece rotors
Anything else?
I'll have to keep my girlfriend out of it.
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if GM priced the 1LE at $45-$48k I personally think thats fair. Do you seriously believe that its gonna be under $40k? the Fully loaded SS sells for $39k. GM is not stupid. why buy the SS if you can have the Better one for a $1k difference?
Simple. The SS ride quality is awesome. The 1LE ride quality is probably going to suffer. I personally wouldn't pay that much more for a 1LE especially with a track pack on a mustang GT costing $2500. Remember at that price the BOSS is essentially a whole new engine with completely forged internals and more power. Don't get me wrong. New gear ratios is nice as is transmission cooling and suspension, but that only brings so much value.
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a little price increase wouldn't hurt the 1LE. if its priced similar to the Boss its gonna do just fine.

and plus most people gonna be buying the 1LE are Hrdcore Track people and somebody that knows what the car is really for. those people are most of the time willing to pay a little extra.

if GM priced the 1LE at $45-$48k I personally think thats fair. Do you seriously believe that its gonna be under $40k? the Fully loaded SS sells for $39k. GM is not stupid. why buy the SS if you can have the Better one for a $1k difference?
The way the 1LE info was worded it is an SS option. So they are saying 1SS + 1LE is under $40K. Probably not by much. If you want to load up the 1LE with 2SS, RS, sun roof, and NAV then you are probably talking $47,500 (my guess).
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If I remember correctly, a LS3 crate engine is rated at 485 hp @flywheel thru GMPP.
Interesting....what's the difference? Different cams? A non-epa tune? Other parts?

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Damn. 150 lbs just for different seats?
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Old 04-02-2012, 08:43 PM   #32
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Interesting....what's the difference? Different cams? A non-epa tune? Other parts?



Damn. 150 lbs just for different seats?
no accessories, and whatever intake and exhaust they wanted to throw on it at the time. probably one that flows better then most would once installed.
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a little price increase wouldn't hurt the 1LE. if its priced similar to the Boss its gonna do just fine.

and plus most people gonna be buying the 1LE are Hrdcore Track people and somebody that knows what the car is really for. those people are most of the time willing to pay a little extra.

if GM priced the 1LE at $45-$48k I personally think thats fair. Do you seriously believe that its gonna be under $40k? the Fully loaded SS sells for $39k. GM is not stupid. why buy the SS if you can have the Better one for a $1k difference?
That's what the Z28 is for. The 1LE is priced and built appropriately.
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a little price increase wouldn't hurt the 1LE. if its priced similar to the Boss its gonna do just fine.

and plus most people gonna be buying the 1LE are Hrdcore Track people and somebody that knows what the car is really for. those people are most of the time willing to pay a little extra.

if GM priced the 1LE at $45-$48k I personally think thats fair. Do you seriously believe that its gonna be under $40k? the Fully loaded SS sells for $39k. GM is not stupid. why buy the SS if you can have the Better one for a $1k difference?
Why make a price increase.....????? And "track people" are more susceptible to paying a premium? Realy? They announced the price, so ...it is what it is. maybe you can't accept that. Your pricing is above base anyway. Take your fishing gear elsewhere.
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...well, ....because....ummmmm....I've been down that road before.......
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a little price increase wouldn't hurt the 1LE. if its priced similar to the Boss its gonna do just fine.

and plus most people gonna be buying the 1LE are Hrdcore Track people and somebody that knows what the car is really for. those people are most of the time willing to pay a little extra.

if GM priced the 1LE at $45-$48k I personally think thats fair. Do you seriously believe that its gonna be under $40k? the Fully loaded SS sells for $39k. GM is not stupid. why buy the SS if you can have the Better one for a $1k difference?

You REALLY lost me on that one. Especially since this is a Z28 thread.
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Why make a price increase.....????? And "track people" are more susceptible to paying a premium? Realy? They announced the price, so ...it is what it is. maybe you can't accept that. Your pricing is above base anyway. Take your fishing gear elsewhere.
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The way the 1LE info was worded it is an SS option. So they are saying 1SS + 1LE is under $40K. Probably not by much. If you want to load up the 1LE with 2SS, RS, sun roof, and NAV then you are probably talking $47,500 (my guess).
I guess.

I'm just saying that Instead of investing the money on the Nav, and fancy uneccesary equipment GM should've focused more on making the car light weight, balanced, and be a track monster. I personally think that making the 1LE a light weight track built car instead of just an option package for the SS would've been better.

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That's what the Z28 is for. The 1LE is priced and built appropriately.
I don't know about the Z28 but if the Z28 is something like the GT3 RS that would be great. But I doubt that there's gunna be one. I think this it. And maybe GM makes the 1LE a stripped down Street Legal Race car. I guess will not know what the 1LE is exactly gunna be till it comes out.

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You REALLY lost me on that one. Especially since this is a Z28 thread.
The thread tittle said 1LE Horsepower. idk where you got Z28 thread.
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I hope we get that 1LE section soon. I will hang out there. I want one and it's at the limits of what I won't feel guilty about spending. Anyone else feel that guilt? And here I am a supposed Track liking guy.

But I will come back here to envy the LS7 Z28 with MRC and Recaro options once it is built.
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The thread tittle said 1LE Horsepower. idk where you got Z28 thread.
Hoping for a 1LE section soon. But this is the Z28 forum.

And the 1LE is not a Z28 and it is not a ZL1. And something different than an SS.
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Hoping for a 1LE section soon. But this is the Z28 forum.

And the 1LE is not a Z28 and it is not a ZL1. And something different than an SS.
I just reliezed that. Lol. My apologies.

I know that the 1LE is not the Z28 or ZL1 or SS. But I wus just really hopping that the 1LE would be the car that would have the Recaro Seat, stripped down interior, light weght, and Track Built suspension.

I guess the 1LE is not what I expected it to be.
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I just reliezed that. Lol. My apologies.

I know that the 1LE is not the Z28 or ZL1 or SS. But I wus just really hopping that the 1LE would be the car that would have the Recaro Seat stripped down interior, light weght, and Track Built suspension.

I guess the 1LE is not what I expected it to be.
No worries. It will have the last thing you mentioned and it will also have a number of other track upgrades. Looks good to me for the price.

But that Track Animal you are describing is what the Z28 faithful are hoping for. Not sure about the stripped down interior. That is an easy DIY. I saw somewhere else the Camaro front seats are incredibly heavy.

That lighter Camaro is coming later. Too expensive to do much with this one me thinks.
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Sorry I meant the Z28 section. Taking the car and doing some personalizing is part of the excitement. I listed my plans above.

And Fraxum I'm with you on price it's part of the reason I won't buy a ZL1. That and I want my Camaro to be NA.
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No worries. It will have the last thing you mentioned and it will also have a number of other track upgrades. Looks good to me for the price.

But that Track Animal you are describing is what the Z28 faithful are hoping for. Not sure about the stripped down interior. That is an easy DIY. I saw somewhere else the Camaro front seats are incredibly heavy.

That lighter Camaro is coming later. Too expensive to do much with this one me thinks.
Ohh yea the stock seat are very heavy.

I guess we'll just have wait for the next Version of the Camaro. hopefully it's the track monster were hopping for. I dont really care what's its gunna get called but if it's like a GT3 RS version Camaro I would be interested.
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Ohh yea the stock seat are very heavy.

I guess we'll just have wait for the next Version of the Camaro. hopefully it's the track monster were hopping for. I dont really care what's its gunna get called but if it's like a GT3 RS version Camaro I would be interested.
Does anybody know the exact weight for each seat?
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I dont but that's a good question. They obviously are much more than most thought they'd be. No wonder why they use a lift to install them at the factory. Seems getting a 1LE down to Mustang GT weight is possible with a few changes.
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Not to question anyone's stats or intent, but here's a listing of GEN-FOUR CAMARO components, throughout the car:

http://www.lt1engines.com/tech/camar...f-body-weight/

Driver's 6-way Power Leather Seat = 42 lb.
Passanger's non-powered seat = 34lb.
Passanger Air Bag = 17 lb. (includes bracket)
Driver's Air Bag = 10 lb. (which is likely the weight of the seat bags)

So, removing TWO 6-way Seats (from a Gen-5) that contain TWO Air Bags is gonna total a bit over 100 total, imho. Add back the weight of the replacements (and their tracks/adjusters/adaptors), and you have a net weight loss of (maybe) 50-70 lb... One-piece seats will weigh less, but offer NO recline adjustment beyond fore-aft. Two-piece aftermarket seats, with adjustable seatbacks, will diminish the weight savings further. And typical aftermarket seats are NOT air bag-equipped.

Notice the difference in weight between non-powered and powered seats...6.9 lb/ea, so 1LS seats would save 14 lb (with Air Bags) over 1SS seats, while maintaining OE safety standards for street driving.

Notice deleting the rear seats (29 lb) and belts/retractors (5 lb) = less than ONE front seat...

Notice the A/C compressor and condensor, and Power Windows/Locks/Keyless weigh a total of 32 lb...which pops the "urban myth" that Gen-4 1LE F-cars weighed a LOT less...they didn't!
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I dont but that's a good question. They obviously are much more than most thought they'd be. No wonder why they use a lift to install them at the factory. Seems getting a 1LE down to Mustang GT weight is possible with a few changes.
Are both the leather and cloth seats the same weight?
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20 lbs – CCW 17×11 wheel
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19 lbs – 2000 stock Camaro wheel
19 lbs – 97 to 99 Vette 17×8.5 wheel
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18.08 lbs – 00 Vette standard front wheel
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42 lbs – 1997 Camaro front leather power seat
40 lbs – Carpet with the sound deadener
38 lbs – Spare tire and jack
36 lbs – Spare tire and jack
34 lbs – Passenger seat
32 lbs – 1997 Camaro front leather manual seat
29 lbs – Rear seats
24 lbs – Heater core
20 lbs – Front & rear seatbelts with bolts
17 lbs – Passenger airbag with bracket
10 lbs – Driver side airbag
9 lbs – Center console (Trans Am)
7 lbs – Under dash AC plastic moulding
7 lbs – Bose speakers (95 Z28)
6.9 lbs – 6 way power seats over manual seats
5 lbs – Stereo
5 lbs – Rear pair of seat belts and retractors
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2.7 lbs – Sunvisor (pair)
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2 lbs – Insulation glued to dash
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1.8 lbs – Power door locks over manual locks
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1.3 lbs – Remote truck release motor
1 lbs – Rearview mirror
0.4 lbs – Keyless entry option over no keyless entry
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44 lbs – 93-97 Stock Camaro hood with insulation
31 lbs – Rear bumper reinforcement and brackets
23 lbs – Front bumper reinforcement and brackets
12.3 lbs – T-tops
4 lbs – Front impact absorber
3 lbs – Wipers
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Suspension
33 lbs – Suspension Techniques 35mm front sway bar
14 lbs – Front sway bar and brackets
14 lbs – 2002 stock torque arm
13 lbs – Stock rear springs
13 lbs – Front sway bar
12 lbs – Edelbrock torque arm
8 lbs – Rear sway bar with end links
2 lbs – Rear spring perches
2 lbs – Front sway bar mount
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