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But that Track Animal you are describing is what the Z28 faithful are hoping for. Not sure about the stripped down interior. That is an easy DIY. I saw somewhere else the Camaro front seats are incredibly heavy. That lighter Camaro is coming later. Too expensive to do much with this one me thinks.
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04-02-2012, 10:33 PM | #44 |
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Sorry I meant the Z28 section. Taking the car and doing some personalizing is part of the excitement. I listed my plans above.
And Fraxum I'm with you on price it's part of the reason I won't buy a ZL1. That and I want my Camaro to be NA. |
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I guess we'll just have wait for the next Version of the Camaro. hopefully it's the track monster were hopping for. I dont really care what's its gunna get called but if it's like a GT3 RS version Camaro I would be interested. |
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04-02-2012, 11:32 PM | #46 |
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Does anybody know the exact weight for each seat?
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04-03-2012, 09:53 AM | #47 |
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I dont but that's a good question. They obviously are much more than most thought they'd be. No wonder why they use a lift to install them at the factory. Seems getting a 1LE down to Mustang GT weight is possible with a few changes.
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Not to question anyone's stats or intent, but here's a listing of GEN-FOUR CAMARO components, throughout the car:
http://www.lt1engines.com/tech/camar...f-body-weight/ Driver's 6-way Power Leather Seat = 42 lb. Passanger's non-powered seat = 34lb. Passanger Air Bag = 17 lb. (includes bracket) Driver's Air Bag = 10 lb. (which is likely the weight of the seat bags) So, removing TWO 6-way Seats (from a Gen-5) that contain TWO Air Bags is gonna total a bit over 100 total, imho. Add back the weight of the replacements (and their tracks/adjusters/adaptors), and you have a net weight loss of (maybe) 50-70 lb... One-piece seats will weigh less, but offer NO recline adjustment beyond fore-aft. Two-piece aftermarket seats, with adjustable seatbacks, will diminish the weight savings further. And typical aftermarket seats are NOT air bag-equipped. Notice the difference in weight between non-powered and powered seats...6.9 lb/ea, so 1LS seats would save 14 lb (with Air Bags) over 1SS seats, while maintaining OE safety standards for street driving. Notice deleting the rear seats (29 lb) and belts/retractors (5 lb) = less than ONE front seat... Notice the A/C compressor and condensor, and Power Windows/Locks/Keyless weigh a total of 32 lb...which pops the "urban myth" that Gen-4 1LE F-cars weighed a LOT less...they didn't! Last edited by LOWDOWN; 04-03-2012 at 11:37 AM. |
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For your edification:
Engine Compartment 460.9 lbs – LT1 (5.7L) Manual with oil and flywheel 428.8 lbs – L36 (3.8L) Manual with oil and flywheel 405.5 lbs – LT1 (5.7L) Auto with oil and flexplate 391.2 lbs – L36 (3.8L) Auto with oil and flexplate 40 lbs – Optima red-top battery (sounds heavy???) 32 lbs – Madman manual rack & PA chromemoly k-member 25 lbs – Pair of stock manifolds with AIR tubes off LT1 18 lbs – AC compressor with lines 18 lbs – ATI 3 core F-Body intercooler 17 lbs – AC compressor with lines 14 lbs – Dyna Battery 12 lbs – Plastic insulation on firewall 12 lbs – ATI 2 core F-Body intercooler 11 lbs – Full windshield washer reservoir 10 lbs – ABS unit 9 lbs – AC condensor 9 lbs – AC condensor with accumulator 8-9 lbs – OEM motor mounts (pair) 8 lbs – Bracket for PS/AC compressor 7 lbs – Competition Engineer solid motor mounts 7 lbs – AIR pump hoses and bracket 4.4 lbs – Cruise control 3 lbs – EGR valve and aluminum tube 3 lbs – Wiper motor 3 lbs – BMR 2 point strut tower brace 3 lbs – All exhaust heat shields 2 lbs – Factory oil cooler lines 1.5 lbs – Horns (pair) 1lbs – Heater core lines Drive Train 190 lbs – Moser 9″ (3.250 bearing) w/35 spline axles, Strange nodular iron section, full spool, 3:70 gears, no oil 135 lbs – Stock 7.5 rear end w/3.73 gears and oil 40 lbs – Centerforce heavy flywheel 35 lbs – Vigilante torque coverter new in box (inc box!) 34 lbs – Steel 2pc V6 driveshaft including center bearing carrier 28 lbs – A TH400 with 9″ converter is 28 lbs lighter than the 4L60E 20.5 lbs – LT1 stock flywheel 20 lbs – LT1 stock flywheel 16 lbs – Stock steel LT1 driveshaft 12.5 lbs – TPiS lightweight flywheel 12.2 lbs – 3rd gen aluminum 1LE driveshaft 12 lbs – LPE aluminum driveshaft 11.5 lbs – Stock aluminum LS1 driveshaft 10 lbs – RK Sport aluminum 1pc driveshaft 10 lbs – ??? brand lightweight flywheel 4 lbs – Transmission tunnel insulation Wheels & Tires 58 lbs – AFS chrome 17Χ11 GS offset wheel with new Dunlop SP8000 315/35/17 tire 56 lbs – AFS chrome 17Χ11 GS offset wheel with BALD Dunlop SP8000 315/35/17 tire 56 lbs – 18Χ9 chrome Cobra R replica wheels with 285/35/18 tires 55 lbs – AFS silver 17Χ11 GS offset ZR1 wheel with new tire 55 lbs – 17″ Prime chrome 5 Stars with 275/40 tire 55 lbs – 17″ chrome Firewhawk wheel with new tire 54.5 lbs – Replica SS wheel with Khumo 712 275/40 tire 52 lbs – AFS chrome 17Χ9.5 ZR1 wheel with new Dunlop SP8000 275/40/17 tire 50 lbs – OZ Monte Carlo 17Χ9.5 with 1/3 tread 275 GSC 50 lbs – AFS polished 17Χ11 GS offset ZR1 wheel with new 315 BFG Comp TA drag radial 48 lbs – 16Χ8 stock chrome 5 star with Kuhma Estca Supra 712 tires (V rated) 45 lbs – 99 TA stock 16″ chrome wheels and tire (SZ 50) 44 lbs – 93-96 Camaro wheel with Nitto drag 41.5 lbs – 93-96 Camaro wheel with bald 255 BFG drag radial 40 lbs – Weld Pro Star (15Χ10) with new Hoosier QTP 28Χ11.5-15 (no tube) 35.3 lbs – New Dunlop SP8000 315/35/17 tire 31 lbs – New Dunlop SP8000 315/35/17 tire – hmm? 31 lbs – Kumho Victoracers 275/40/17 tire 30 lbs – New Dunlop SP8000 275/40/17 tire 29 lbs – 97 to 99 Vette standard rear wheel 28 lbs – Kumho Victoracers 315/35/17 tire 27 lbs – Weld Pro Stars (15Χ3.5) with Cooper 165R tire 27 lbs – 18Χ9 chrome Cobra R replica wheel 25.5 lbs – Hoosier A3S03 Autocross tire 315/35-17 25 lbs – Firestone SZ50EP stock size tire 25 lbs – New Futura 275/40/17 tire 24.5 lbs – Goodyear GSC 245/50/16 tire 24 lbs – 97 to 99 Vette magnesium rear wheel 22.5 lbs – Hoosier A3S03 Autocross tire 275/40-17 22 lbs – 90 Vette stock wheel 17Χ9.5 22 lbs – Hoosier R3S03 275/45/16 tire 22 lbs – 01 Camaro SS 17Χ9 wheel 22 lbs – 2 piece Centerline Sabre type 17Χ9.5 wheel 21.5 lbs – 97 to 99 Vette 18Χ9.5 wheel 20.06 lbs – 00 Vette standard rear wheel 20.5 lbs – OE ZR1 17Χ9.5 wheel 20.5 lbs – AFS replica 16″ SS wheel 20.1lbs – 97 to 99 Vette magnesium front wheel 20 lbs – CCW 17Χ10 wheel 20 lbs – CCW 17Χ11 wheel 20 lbs – 3 piece Centerline Sabre 17Χ9.5 wheel 19.5 lbs – 1996 stock Camaro wheel 19.5 lbs – Stock 5 star 16″ Z28 wheel 19 lbs – 2000 stock Camaro wheel 19 lbs – 97 to 99 Vette 17Χ8.5 wheel 18-19 lbs – Centerline 17Χ9.5 wheel 18.08 lbs – 00 Vette standard front wheel 18 lbs – Fiske FM5 17Χ9.5 wheel 17 lbs – 2000+ stock Camaro wheel (different than above?) 13 lbs – Weld Pro Star (15Χ8) 10 lbs – Weld Pro Star (15Χ3.5) 10 lbs – Bogart DragStar 15Χ10 racing wheel Interior 65 lbs – Wolfe weld-in 6pt. roll bar 42 lbs – 1997 Camaro front leather power seat 40 lbs – Carpet with the sound deadener 38 lbs – Spare tire and jack 36 lbs – Spare tire and jack 34 lbs – Passenger seat 32 lbs – 1997 Camaro front leather manual seat 29 lbs – Rear seats 24 lbs – Heater core 20 lbs – Front & rear seatbelts with bolts 17 lbs – Passenger airbag with bracket 10 lbs – Driver side airbag 9 lbs – Center console (Trans Am) 7 lbs – Under dash AC plastic moulding 7 lbs – Bose speakers (95 Z28) 6.9 lbs – 6 way power seats over manual seats 5 lbs – Stereo 5 lbs – Rear pair of seat belts and retractors 4 lbs – Rear panel with speaker 4 lbs – Rear hatch cover / divider 2.7 lbs – Power windows over manual windows 2.7 lbs – Sunvisor (pair) 2 lbs – Sunvisor (pair) 2 lbs – Glove Box 2 lbs – Rear hatch cover 2 lbs – Insulation glued to dash 2 lbs – Factory Monsoon amp 1.8 lbs – Power door locks over manual locks 1.8 lbs – Rear floor mats 1.3 lbs – Remote truck release motor 1 lbs – Rearview mirror 0.4 lbs – Keyless entry option over no keyless entry 0.4 lbs – Rear window defogger Exterior 44 lbs – 93-97 Stock Camaro hood with insulation 31 lbs – Rear bumper reinforcement and brackets 23 lbs – Front bumper reinforcement and brackets 12.3 lbs – T-tops 4 lbs – Front impact absorber 3 lbs – Wipers 2.7 lbs – Z28 fog lamps 1.8 lbs – Body side mouldings Suspension 33 lbs – Suspension Techniques 35mm front sway bar 14 lbs – Front sway bar and brackets 14 lbs – 2002 stock torque arm 13 lbs – Stock rear springs 13 lbs – Front sway bar 12 lbs – Edelbrock torque arm 8 lbs – Rear sway bar with end links 2 lbs – Rear spring perches 2 lbs – Front sway bar mount |
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Now? No. The Leather seats have heaters (and heavier-weight material)...a couple or three pounds each seat.
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VERY INTERESTING...wish we had this for the 5Gen! |
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Well, I doubt they sent the Gen-5 components to a FattenUp-Farm...excepting the side air bag-equipped seats...and, of course, those cast 20s...
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A/C delete doesn't save a huge amount of weight but it IS weight at the front of the car which is generally a bad thing.
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04-03-2012, 03:13 PM | #56 |
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A c/f Ram Air-Extractor hood and prop-rod on a Z28 would likely = A/C-delete, weight-wise...
An smc-based hood (like Gen-4 SS/Firehawk) would be a few pounds more. |
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