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Old 04-05-2012, 12:44 PM   #1
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Foam Gun question

Never used a foam Gun but bought one and am going to use it this weekend .So not sure if I have this right . You foam the car , rinse it off then you wash it with mitt/2 bucket etc ?
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Old 04-05-2012, 12:46 PM   #2
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I rinse the car down with a strong jet of water, foam the car, let it set for around 5 minutes, rinse the car, foam again, then wash with 2BM. I can do all of this with just 1 canister of the foam gun.
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:16 PM   #3
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Foaming then rinsing and foaming again is overkill and wasteful to the enviroment in my opinion. I personally foam an area, then wash that area. Foam another area, wash that area, etc...until the car is completely washed. In my experience if you foam the entire car, by the time you get around to the other side the foam has mostly gone away and is not serving its purpose, which is an extra layer of lubrication.
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:22 PM   #4
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Foaming then rinsing and foaming again is overkill and wasteful to the enviroment in my opinion. I personally foam an area, then wash that area. Foam another area, wash that area, etc...until the car is completely washed. In my experience if you foam the entire car, by the time you get around to the other side the foam has mostly gone away and is not serving its purpose, which is an extra layer of lubrication.
I completely disagree, but that's what is great about this forum. We are free to agree to disagree. The point of a foam gun is to lift the dirt particles off of the paint and let them slide off. If you don't rinse after you foam the first time, then the dirt particles are still very much still on the paint. I foam a second time to add lubricity. I can get around my whole car before the foam disappears. So idk what to tell you there. As to the statement about being wasteful to the environment, all of the soaps that I use are phosporus free and will not in any way harm the environment or my health. Thanks.
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:27 PM   #5
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The way that I use my foam gun is that I:

-Rinse the car down
-Apply foam with foam gun
-Let foam stand for about 5 minutes
-Proceed with 2-bucket wash
-???
-Profit!

And, if you've never used a foam gun, here's my foam gun in action :

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Old 04-05-2012, 01:30 PM   #6
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The way that I use my foam gun is that I:

-Rinse the car down
-Apply foam with foam gun
-Let foam stand for about 5 minutes
-Proceed with 2-bucket wash
-???
-Profit!

And, if you've never used a foam gun, here's my foam gun in action :

You use a ton of soap. lol. Great video though.
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:30 PM   #7
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I find it very hard to believe ph neutral soaps like Adams are lifting dirt particles from the finish just by sitting there. Its nice to think so, but in reality your just adding lubrication unless you add something to the wash, such as all purpose cleaner.
As far as the environment sir, I was referring to the several extra gallons of water you are using each time you do that extra rinse...
All that being said, both methods will produce great results...and yes, that is what is great about forums.
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:41 PM   #8
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You guys are way over thinking this, lol. I'd be shocked if you gain anything by foaming twice. Rinse it good, foam, let it dwell to loosen any remaining crud, and proceed to wash. All you're doing with foam is adding a little more lubricity.

Not even Adam's soap contains little fairies that scrub the paint while it dwells, although some people here would probably believe it if they put it on the label...hmm April Fools 2013?
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:42 PM   #9
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^^^Exactly
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:42 PM   #10
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Whoever said that I was talking about Adam's. Optimum Car soap will cause brown foam to fall off of your car. Trust me. This stuff has some awesome cleaners in it, but is still PH neutral and environmental friendly. Same with Chemical Guys no touch and Zep no touch foam.
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:44 PM   #11
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Whoever said that I was talking about Adam's. Optimum Car soap will cause brown foam to fall off of your car. Trust me. This stuff has some awesome cleaners in it, but is still PH neutral and environmental friendly.
I know YOU weren't talking about Adam's haha. But, just my opinion is one foam and you're good to go. Hell, you can foam it up in five minute increments all day and then wash it at 6pm if you want to, your prerogative.
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Old 04-05-2012, 02:00 PM   #12
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I just washed my wife's new Jeep the other night and have been using a foam gun with Adams soap for years. I've come to the conclusion that foam guns are just a way to sell more soap. I would need to see some solid proof that it really makes a difference. I believe I'm going to stop using my foam gun all together. Besides,I've washed thousands of times over the years without using one with just as good results.

Just my two cents.
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Old 04-05-2012, 02:02 PM   #13
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I just washed my wife's new Jeep the other night and have been using a foam gun with Adams soap for years. I've come to the conclusion that foam guns are just a way to sell more soap. I would need to see some solid proof that it really makes a difference. I believe I'm going to stop using my foam gun all together. Besides,I've washed thousands of times over the years without using one with just as good results.

Just my two cents.
They aren't necessary at all. It just makes washing more of an enjoyment for me and makes me look more professional for when I start to have customers.
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Old 04-05-2012, 02:15 PM   #14
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They aren't necessary at all. It just makes washing more of an enjoyment for me and makes me look more professional for when I start to have customers.
I guess if you do it for a living it might be okay ,but then again how many times are your customers there while your doing a detail? I have a friend that details for a living and his customers only see the end result. He doesn't want them to see how he performs his magic. You know trade secrets.

By the way, he doesn't use a foam gun. He makes fun of me for using one. I'm starting to agree with him.
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Old 04-05-2012, 02:41 PM   #15
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You use a ton of soap. lol. Great video though.
Yep, my video needs a bit of updating, but I don't use that much soap anymore. Thanks!
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Old 04-05-2012, 05:19 PM   #16
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i have one question with my foam gun....the different colored pieces for different water pressures. if im just using the house from my house here in NY, what color should i be using? lol. thanks!
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i have one question with my foam gun....the different colored pieces for different water pressures. if im just using the house from my house here in NY, what color should i be using? lol. thanks!
Huh? Which foam gun is that?
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i have one question with my foam gun....the different colored pieces for different water pressures. if im just using the house from my house here in NY, what color should i be using? lol. thanks!
If you are referring to the foam gun that I have...don't use any of the colored pieces.
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I always rinse the car first, but not with a strong jet stream. Using a strong jet stream on a dirty car can push the dirt hard enough that it will leave micro scratches. After rinsing I foam the car and let is sit for a few minutes and then risne it off. After that I wash it as normal. When the car is foamed and you let the foam sit for a few minutes, as the bubbles pop (even the micro ones) they cause a lifting action to help loosen the dirt.
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For me personally, when using a foam gun, I like to foam it first, prior to rinsing.

This is because, IMO, even rinsing with a jet of water has the potential for causing marring.

Introducing a surfactant based soap (basically water made wetter) to the paint is going to help the add some lubrication to the first rinse.

If the car is just lightly soiled (road dust) then I will foam, wash, and rinse, using only 1 bucket to constantly rinse the mitt out with.
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I fall on the side of this argument that foaming/dwelling and refoaming is just a waste of time/product. If you're using something like a citrus wash strip the car intentionally then I can understanding giving it a little dwell time to go to work, but for the mostpart a pH neutral car wash isn't an 'active' cleaner... its not going to work on anything IMO... so in essence its not doing anything that straight rinse water isn't.

Rinse, foam, 2 bucket wash as usual and you're good to go.

Of course, the fun of detailing is that you can do whatever you want as long as the technique is good. So if foaming and dwelling, then foaming again makes you feel better then I say go for it!
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Rinse, foam, 2 bucket wash as usual and you're good to go.
Hey Dylan,

What does the rinse before the foam do?


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Knock any loose particles from the surface, dust, whatnot. Theres always bound to be some stuff that just 'sitting' on the surface before you start that won't require anything more than a flow of water to get it moving. I also prefer to use a heavier stream and knock loose bugs that maybe caked on the front end, bird bombs, or anything else thats a larger particle that I can dislodge without touching the car first.
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