2010 Ford Taurus vs Camaro

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by syr74

The car isn't ugly, but it is about as far away from exciting as you can get.

Whatever, you can't help the blind. Its a damn good looking sports sedan. its styling is suble, like the BMW M5, which is a good thing. It doesn't have any over-the-top ricer add ons like the Mitsu Evo and WRX STI, its just a nice looking car.

No, love it or hate it the Chrysler 300 looks like a proper full size car, the G8 just doesn't give off the feeling of size or panache that a full size car of this ilk must have to make it. Like I said, looks more like a rwd counterpart to the latest Honda Accord than a serious jab into the segment the 300 re-awakened.

It looks nothing like a Honda Accord. But once again, whatever.

Really? In the automotive world perception counts and the Maxima name has a fan-base. Don't believe me? Tell me again, which sells better?

The G8 has been out for a couple years. The Maxima has been out for around 20 years. I wonder which has sold better?? Use some common sense.

When most people, myself included, think of Maxima, this is what comes to mind:



A boxy, FWD pile of crap.

Have you taken a gander at sales figures lately? G8 is one of the newest offerings in it's class and is very competitively priced even without rebates. G8 also offers the best power to weight ratio for the money in that same class and has a deceptively huge interior, and yet it still is one of the slowest selling offerings in the segment.

Something is wrong, no doubt about it.

Have you taken notice of the recent economic crisis?? Perhaps that has something to do with people not feeling comfortable buying a $35,000 V8 RWD car, regardless of how nice it is or how much they'd like to buy it?? Yea, I think that may have something to do with it

[syr74]

Originally Posted by Wesman

Whatever, you can't help the blind. Its a damn good looking sports sedan. its styling is suble, like the BMW M5, which is a good thing. It doesn't have any over-the-top ricer add ons like the Mitsu Evo and WRX STI, its just a nice looking car.

A Presidential Blue 67 Mustang fastback is 'subtle', a Pontiac G8 is pure banality. Seems the buying public would agree.

Originally Posted by Wesman

It looks nothing like a Honda Accord. But once again, whatever.

Looks like a 5/4ths scale 98 Honda Accord rebadged as a Pontiac.

Originally Posted by Wesman

The G8 has been out for a couple years. The Maxima has been out for around 20 years. I wonder which has sold better?? Use some common sense.

Now age sells cars. By chance is your name Wagoner? Maxima sells better because it is perceived by the majority of consumers to be a better car. Can Maxima get away with more because of the cars history? Of course, but Nissan worked for that recognition. Don't blame Nissan because GM can't figure out how to market a vehicle.

Originally Posted by Wesman

When most people, myself included, think of Maxima, this is what comes to mind. A boxy, FWD pile of crap.

In good shape, that is so much more attractive than the G8 it shouldn't be legal....and I don't even particularly like Nissans!

Originally Posted by Wesman

Have you taken notice of the recent economic crisis?? Perhaps that has something to do with people not feeling comfortable buying a $35,000 V8 RWD car, regardless of how nice it is or how much they'd like to buy it?? Yea, I think that may have something to do with it

That reasoning would work just fine, but for the fact that everybody else competing within this segment is selling more cars than GM is, and at competitive prices. Chrysler 300 and Dodge Charger divide up Chrysler sales in this segment, but they still absolutely beat on the G8 in terms of sales, and do so individually, despite being noticeably older designs and not nearly as good dynamically.

So Batman, riddle me this is all due to the economy why is GM's sole offering in this segment the one scraping the bottom of the barrel?

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by syr74

In good shape, that is so much more attractive than the G8 it shouldn't be legal....and I don't even particularly like Nissans!

After a completely assinine statement like that, I'm not even going to waste my time reponding to the rest of your worthless and ignorant post.

Obviously you're a fanboy with your head up your ass, and nobodys going to change that.

[levi1922]

Originally Posted by syr74

A Presidential Blue 67 Mustang fastback is 'subtle', a Pontiac G8 is pure banality. Seems the buying public would agree.



Looks like a 5/4ths scale 98 Honda Accord rebadged as a Pontiac.



Now age sells cars. By chance is your name Wagoner? Maxima sells better because it is perceived by the majority of consumers to be a better car. Can Maxima get away with more because of the cars history? Of course, but Nissan worked for that recognition. Don't blame Nissan because GM can't figure out how to market a vehicle.



In good shape, that is so much more attractive than the G8 it shouldn't be legal....and I don't even particularly like Nissans!



That reasoning would work just fine, but for the fact that everybody else competing within this segment is selling more cars than GM is, and at competitive prices. Chrysler 300 and Dodge Charger divide up Chrysler sales in this segment, but they still absolutely beat on the G8 in terms of sales, and do so individually, despite being noticeably older designs and not nearly as good dynamically.

So Batman, riddle me this is all due to the economy why is GM's sole offering in this segment the one scraping the bottom of the barrel?

i would like a link to sales figures, by car, for the 2008 calender year.
and i also request that you look at a 1998 honda accord.

also, if you think the Taurus name has more prestige than G8,
you need to stop hanging out in the library so much and talk to some regular people

[syr74]

Originally Posted by Wesman

After a completely assinine statement like that, I'm not even going to waste my time reponding to the rest of your worthless and ignorant post.

Obviously you're a fanboy with your head up your ass, and nobodys going to change that.

I'm sorry, did I piss you off by pointing out minor asides like sales volume?

=WesmanI would like a link to sales figures, by car, for the 2008 calender year.

Here's one for you. For the 2008 calender year Pontiac says they sold 12,045 G8's. The numbers might have been higher, but the car did have a late introduction with sales not starting until sometime in March.

Comparison? In January 2008 Chrysler sold 7,750 300 sedans, or roughly sixty five percent as many sedans in one month as Pontiac sold in nearly ten months. Charger moved 7,972 units in the same month meaning that, combined, Dodge's LX cars sold more units in January 2008 than Pontiac could move G8's in nearly a year.

Nissan moved a little more than 47,000 Maxima sedands for the 2008 calender year. Again, the G8 was hurt by a short year, but you could triple G8 sales for 2008 and it still wouldn't be that close.

Really want a mind blower. Ford built and sold just under 10k GT500's in the 2008 model year. Face it, G8 is a sales turd, period.

Originally Posted by Wesman

also, if you think the Taurus name has more prestige than G8, you need to stop hanging out in the library so much and talk to some regular people

And sales so readily support your argument. Out of the three regular people I could likely find who would recognize the name G8 two would probably be thinking of the economic summit. Regular people don't know what a G8 is and frankly they don't care, and sales figures show this in spades.

[levi1922]

im confused as to why you combined the charger and 300C?
and why is the GT500 a "mind blower"? arent mustangs known for high selling volumes?

i dont think i know anyone that reacts with awe when you say "yeah, i have a taurus"

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by levi1922

im confused as to why you combined the charger and 300C?

Charger and 300C are essentially the same car. It's basically like combining Firebird with Camaro.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by levi1922

and why is the GT500 a "mind blower"? arent mustangs known for high selling volumes?

He was pointing out that the using the excuse of a poor economy is not a really good excuse, considering the $$ GT500 sold nearly as many as the G8. Same goes with the LX cars.


I personally think the G8 should have had a different name, maybe moved over to a different manufacturer (Chevy).

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by syr74

I'm sorry, did I piss you off by pointing out minor asides like sales volume?

No, I just think you're a retard for saying a Nissan Maxima, especially one like the piece of shit in that picture, looks better than a G8.

After that idiotic comment I could care less about argueing with you, I'd get more intelligent responses by talking to the wall.

[levi1922]

He was pointing out that the using the excuse of a poor economy is not a really good excuse, considering the $$ GT500 sold nearly as many as the G8. Same goes with the LX cars.


I personally think the G8 should have had a different name, maybe moved over to a different manufacturer (Chevy).

yeah, but, he only gave the numbers for january for the LX, when the econmy was not as bad as it was the last half of the year. and should we combine the numbers for all the GM full sized cars as well? just because the charger and 300c look a alottt alike doesnt make them the same car, and shouldnt be added together for a comparison. its like adding the number of cobalts and G5s sold. since the G8 has no sister car in the US, the sister cars for it competitors shouldnt be added. they are different cars. and by comparing a month that the G8 wasnt on sale, he further tainted the comparison. if the G8 came out march 2008, then he should compare that to chargers or 300cs march-december only.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by levi1922

yeah, but, he only gave the numbers for january for the LX, when the econmy was not as bad as it was the last half of the year. and should we combine the numbers for all the GM full sized cars as well? just because the charger and 300c look a alottt alike doesnt make them the same car, and shouldnt be added together for a comparison. its like adding the number of cobalts and G5s sold. since the G8 has no sister car in the US, the sister cars for it competitors shouldnt be added. they are different cars. and by comparing a month that the G8 wasnt on sale, he further tainted the comparison. if the G8 came out march 2008, then he should compare that to chargers or 300cs march-december only.

You do have a good point. I'm just reading though, Im not going to go off looking for production numbers.

[Marvelous]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

And I'm curious as to how well the AWD system (and transmission) will hold up on the taurus. Does Ford make any other AWD cars globally?

I may be mistaken but I think they have an AWD Focus in Europe, to cater toward the rally fans out there

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by Marvelous

I may be mistaken but I think they have an AWD Focus in Europe, to cater toward the rally fans out there

Ya, I think so too. But that may be a relatively low powered Focus. I know they have a new 300 hp FWD Focus.

[levi1922]

ford has alot of cool cars that are only in the uk.
ford.co.uk
i tried to look at some of the specs but it froze firefox a couple of times

[Georgie]

more cars from europe will make their way here as ford unifies its brand. the fiesta and transit connect are the first two, followed by the focus and possibly the new fusion/mondeo

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by delius

Dont laugh

365 HP TT V-6 EcoBoost
AWD

SHO Version

38k

Its definitely going to be a sleeper...watch out for this when we get our SS's

Last thing you need is the person your sitting next to you saying...you just got beat by a taurus dude.

YOUVE BEEN WARNED

Sorry, but I did.

[manimsoblack]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

They should be relatively easy to mod, it's a very nice engine to work with as a base to produce some good numbers.
But stock for stock, the SS will have no problems with it.

I think AWD Charger RT's will have their hands full though.

And I'm curious as to how well the AWD system (and transmission) will hold up on the taurus. Does Ford make any other AWD cars globally?

almost every lincoln has AWD as an option

[K-A]

The G8 should have sold better than it has. It's a nice car and has a lot of Euro inspiration in its design, on top of that, the power/dollar ratio is killer, and right now you can get a G8 GT with under 10K miles for about $20K.... That is about the BEST bang for the buck out there.... and I'm not even talking about power only, I'm wrapping newness, Warranty, space, reliability, mileage, comfort, power, etc. into that factor.

Sure it's not the nicest car out there, but I was really impressed when I saw it, considering I've rarely, if ever found a GM sedan attractive. The car has a tight, relatively refined, and clean look to it. I think being a Pontiac hurt it a lot, as "Pontiac" has as much a cool factor to people nowadays as Oldsmobile did.

As for the Maxima, there is no way people identify the name with that old pictured example. The last two Maxima's have been nice cars, the most recent one being pretty damn stylish, definitely a more attractive car than a G8.

[delius]

Ok lets get back on point of this Thread


Ok...when i posted...I was trying to get across that the new SHO Taurus is not going to be a regular bean shaped car that we have come accustomed to see when someone mentions it.

If you let your gaurd down and think it going to be easy going...remember...he has AWD...he might be a little faster out of the hole.

Just saying...do not think this car is going to be weak sauce just because of the Taurus badging.

And damn...Ford did an awesome job updating the look for it...but i still hate ford...DEATH TO INFORDELS

[BowtieGuy]

Originally Posted by delius

If you let your gaurd down and think it going to be easy going...remember...he has AWD...he might be a little faster out of the hole.

Don't mean much when he's back behind me at 300ft.

[delius]

Originally Posted by BowtieGuy

Don't mean much when he's back behind me at 300ft.

yeah

I am just speakin from experience...I had just had the motor in my Trans Am stroked to 468...and was flirtin with a hottie in newer golf GTI...I just went half throttle thinking that was all i was gonna need...but she had something else under that damn hood...anyways...a win is a win.