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Old 02-09-2012, 01:30 AM   #18
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No Craftsman Pro is still USA made. Taiwan tools are pretty decent tools even if they ARE made overseas. Most fo them anyway. Problem with Chinese tools is that the steel or the tool is made cheap therefore wears quicker. Sockets round out ect. But still have tools made in US for a decent price. I bought an 18pc Williams metric wrench set for 100$ on ebay. Thats a $300 set. Someone stole 2 of the wrenches out before he sent it off to me and replaced em with 2 used wrenches and threw in 2 more wrenches like a 25 & 27mm. I had no prob as they were all good. I have snap on tools as well, but I refuse to buy much snap on because theyre WAYYY overrated. Damn good tools, but the price is rediculous. Look for Mac or even Blue point isnt bad which is Taiwan made. I have 2 pnuematictools, snap on and blue point. Both work great! And were bought used. Id search eBay first. You can find some great deals if youre looking for a specific tool. SK wrenches are great as well. I dont have to have a mechanics tool set to do the job, as long as I have the right tools for the job. If need be Ill go buy that one tool I need. Not an entire set. Buy what YOU need and youll be better off than those with $50,000 snap on tool boxes that dont even use 50% of the tools in them.
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:35 AM   #19
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I prefer made in Canada, but I would encourage any business to operate whereever they can to make profit if that's in China so be it, learn Mandarin and go make some mo'neh.
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Old 04-12-2012, 02:22 AM   #20
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This really is a moot point. The majority of the components and material for vehicles doesn't come from Canada or the US. The vehicle is assembled utilizing outsourced materials.

The US and the World is really in an odd ball situation regarding global economics. While many would like and need the manufacturing jobs the Chinese produce, the standard of living would be considered unbearable to the average US citizen. Not because it's hard or demanding work but because the pay would have to be commensurate with that of a Chinese worker, which is very little. Why does it work for them? They haven't been fully indoctrinated with material goods and services like American consumers (although they are exploding in this fashion). So their paycheck goes to the essential needs for the family, forgoing things we take granted for everyday.

So, trying to bring back the jobs while still adhering to child labor laws, mandated overtime, insurance and other neccessary elements of a post modern society is very hard to do unless you're ok with paying $1000 for a pair of sneakers.

Also, regarding the environmental aspect. The major cities and industrial complexes in China have the air quality of a wood stove burning wet wood. Not good.
Having lived in china, I can tell you that china is due for a revolution within the next 15 years which will destroy the world economy. The yuan is fixed currently and this is the reason the Chinese can pay so little. Everything costs 1/8 there than what it is here. Also workers rights mean nothing there.

Also wet stove, is incorrect. More like living in a cloud of diesel smoke.

6 months in china I lost 50 pounds and felt as if I aged 10 years. Infact I lost a large portion of hairline. Haha
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Old 04-12-2012, 03:09 AM   #21
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It's not Sears' fault. It's all the "free trade" agreements that don't have tarrifs to encourage the source country to change it's working conditions. If you make something illegal or prohibitively expensive here, while your competition is doing that very thing overseas, you can't compete. It's bullshit..
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Old 04-12-2012, 10:22 AM   #22
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Did we all forget our cars are made in Canadia? How can we call craftsman a sellout while on a forum for cars that were outsourced to Canadia?
That comment is just plain ignorant, excellent spelling however...the education system in NY must be top notch.
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Old 04-12-2012, 02:31 PM   #23
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Just have to start buying Harbor Frieght and replacing the tools every other job. Would most likely be money ahead until I ruin something or get hurt when the damn tool breaks.
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Old 04-12-2012, 09:40 PM   #24
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That comment is just plain ignorant, excellent spelling however...the education system in NY must be top notch.
It's common to say "Canadia" as a light-hearted sarcastic jab at our neighbors to the north.
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Old 04-12-2012, 09:43 PM   #25
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As an owner of a manufacturing plant here in the US, I can tell you it is tough. I have t pay an hour more than a Chinese worker makes a week.
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:03 PM   #26
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Having lived in china, I can tell you that china is due for a revolution within the next 15 years which will destroy the world economy. The yuan is fixed currently and this is the reason the Chinese can pay so little. Everything costs 1/8 there than what it is here. Also workers rights mean nothing there.

Also wet stove, is incorrect. More like living in a cloud of diesel smoke.

6 months in china I lost 50 pounds and felt as if I aged 10 years. Infact I lost a large portion of hairline. Haha


The real question is how the hell do they all still look like they are in their teens when they are in their 30's and 40's. WTFFF?!!?!?
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:09 PM   #27
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The real question is how the hell do they all still look like they are in their teens when they are in their 30's and 40's. WTFFF?!!?!?

Genetics.... I not only towered over everyone, I was also way bigger.

@ 275lbs at 6'1"- College athlete so I am your different Size. I was always being watched by everyone. Kind of Creepy.

I love the country and would love to live there again.
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:26 PM   #28
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Might as well just go to Harbor Freight tools from now on.
Especially if they won't keep their warranty any more. Would be cheaper in the long run.

With China manipulating it's currency the way it is we are literally giving them billions upon billions of dollars to rebuild their country in ways we should be doing to ours.
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Old 04-13-2012, 12:27 AM   #29
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Especially if they won't keep their warranty any more. Would be cheaper in the long run.

With China manipulating it's currency the way it is we are literally giving them billions upon billions of dollars to rebuild their country in ways we should be doing to ours.
China is not manipulating it's currency to cheat the U.S. or any other country. Currently the issue with china is that they have bought so much of our debt the Yuans current market price that if they were to go to a floating or on the currency exchange market they would literally lose 30% to 50% of the money.

In simpler terms the yuan is somewhat fixed at a 7.5 yuan to 1 us dollar currently. They bought 5$ billion in US dollars of debt. That is equivalent to 37.5 billion yuan. Of the scale were to float the true price of the yuan would be closer to 4 yuan per US dollar. With that original 5$ billion they would only have 20 billion in actual us dollars. Over night people would lose their fortunes. Companies bankrupt.

As well here are a few prices of things.

24 oz Tsingtao there 4yuan or .60$ usd
Here a 12 oz Tsingtao is 3.50$ usd

A full plate of food 7 yuan

3 Full custom tailored suits- 1500 yuan or roughly 200 usd.
And I mean fully tailored with the same fabric you get anywhere.

I don't think they are manipulating it, but rather saving their own asses.
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Old 09-10-2012, 10:37 PM   #30
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In 1983 I moved to Taiwan and worked there for 6 years. Shortly after arriving I was in a tool factory purchasing tools to equip my shop. In this factory Craftsman, SK and several other "US" brands were coming down the lines side by side. A 3/4" drive socket set that cost $200 here was selling to Sears for $27.
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Old 10-01-2012, 10:10 PM   #31
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I just bought some Craftsman tools so I figured I would share my experience.
The set is SAE and Metric sockets, wrenches a couple of screw drivers, nut drivers, impact sockets and ratchets. I checked each piece and they are all stamped USA (made in USA, forged in USA).
I was worried that I might get some Chinese stuff but this didn't happen and they all come with the Lifetime Warranty that Craftsman is famous for. I don't know if they were made somewhere else and stamped with USA just going by what I see. They are good quality, don't feel cheap and best of all every socket is a 6 point. No 12 points were mixed in. Overall I'm very happy and thought I would pass it along.
I ordered them from craftsman.com and got a good deal. They usually have sales so keep checking if interested.
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Old 02-02-2013, 05:51 PM   #32
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I just bought some Craftsman tools so I figured I would share my experience.
The set is SAE and Metric sockets, wrenches a couple of screw drivers, nut drivers, impact sockets and ratchets. I checked each piece and they are all stamped USA (made in USA, forged in USA).
I was worried that I might get some Chinese stuff but this didn't happen and they all come with the Lifetime Warranty that Craftsman is famous for. I don't know if they were made somewhere else and stamped with USA just going by what I see. They are good quality, don't feel cheap and best of all every socket is a 6 point. No 12 points were mixed in. Overall I'm very happy and thought I would pass it along.
I ordered them from craftsman.com and got a good deal. They usually have sales so keep checking if interested.
I had the same experience and even asked the salesperson, all of the tools I picked up were made in USA and lifetime warranty. They were on sale and overall a great value, I also have some MAC pieces from when I was racing around in the late 80s with my Turbo GTI, Callaway, what a ride that thing was.. All metric, so all good.
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Old 03-08-2013, 02:12 PM   #33
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That's unfortunate to hear. I always liked the Craftsman warranty and wonder if they will keep that philosophy now.
They handed me a remanufactured ratchet the other day that broke on THE FIRST BOLT I put it on (teeth inside stripped right off), so I went back and aked for a new one, and was given another reman...so I kept asking him for warranty replacements for 25 minutes, and as he handed me each one I found a fault until he ran out of them under the counter, and then he was forced to give me a new one...which was clearly, blatantly machined with less care than the old ones were, so I'm pretty sure it's from China...but at least it works...for now.
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