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Old 04-12-2012, 12:44 PM   #1
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Me vs zl1

So I've decided in not gonna buy my 3rd camaro ( the zl1) just keep modding the ss. So how much powe ( hp) would I need to compete with one at a strip or from a roll? I have full bolt ons and cam. 482 rwhp 465 torque. I kno I need more just how much?
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Old 04-12-2012, 12:52 PM   #2
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I think they said the ZL1 dynoed from 510-520 rwhp lingenfelter before they started modding. you really are not too far off bud. Plus the magnetic ride made it a little bit heavier so your SS i believe is a little lighter. (I Think correct me if im wrong). Not sure what your wanting to spend but I feel if you did some sort of supercharger. Which again not sure which are the good ones are cause havnt done enough research but thats part of the reason i joined this sight to learn even if i dont have one... I like all muscle cars. Or maybe a 75 shot depending on what your looking for /w power gains. ( not gonna lie nothing better than the sound of a nice lopey cam)
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without a list of current mods....no se?
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Old 04-12-2012, 12:57 PM   #4
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Forge the bottom end, stroke to 427, supercharger, 1000hp axles, new clutch, new drive shaft.

Really who really knows until we see one run by real people at local tracks. to equal HP though you need to up yours about 50 to 60 HP.
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Old 04-12-2012, 01:42 PM   #5
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I have 1 7/8's headers, mast motorsports stage 2 cam, full exhaust, cai, ported throttle body, and dyno tune. Thinking about ported heads for a little extra hp. Might end up switching to a blower cam and putting a whipple on one day
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s/c would be the easiest way to surpass the zl1 rated output from where you're at now.
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Old 04-12-2012, 01:51 PM   #7
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I have 1 7/8's headers, mast motorsports stage 2 cam, full exhaust, cai, ported throttle body, and dyno tune. Thinking about ported heads for a little extra hp. Might end up switching to a blower cam and putting a whipple on one day

blower cam and whipple yep that would do it for sure I have a feeling after that their wouldn't be much competing with one more like passing very aggressively lol
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Old 04-12-2012, 01:58 PM   #8
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Lol ya I know the whipple would do It lol. Prolly shoulda went whipple when I did the first cam. Love that lope tho! Plus with no forged internals I dont want boost blowing me up!
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Old 04-12-2012, 02:31 PM   #9
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ya thats true dont wanna blow er up. I am not sure what they can handle internal wise never checked it out. I do see alotta people supercharging though. Not sure how much of a pain in the ass it is for supporting internals or if there on stock ones. I figure if you dont hear of too many people breaking their engines its probley safe to say you might be fine. Its all in the tune I hear anyways. Gotta find a reputable tuner.
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Old 04-12-2012, 02:50 PM   #10
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Actually i just got done reading a forced induction thread guy with a maggie with 8 psi supercharger hosed his car at 22k miles... but at the same time people have been able to run them without any problems. I think it might be a gamble if you do decide to do it make sure you have money saved to rebuild the motor with forged internals just in case it does go. Or just upgrade to forged internals first. I dunno, so you will have to keep us updated on what your decision is for sure!
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Old 04-12-2012, 03:08 PM   #11
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Boost FTW.... do it, do it now lol...

but really, you put a blower and run low boost (6psi) and you should be waving goodbye to the (stock) ZL1
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Old 04-13-2012, 10:14 AM   #12
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Boost FTW.... do it, do it now lol...

but really, you put a blower and run low boost (6psi) and you should be waving goodbye to the (stock) ZL1
Well for Christmas the wife let me do cam and headers. Maybe those year I get boost lol. We will see
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SC is the way to go. you already have an impressive amount of horsepower for being NA
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SC is the way to go. you already have an impressive amount of horsepower for being NA
Thanks. I was thinking ported heads but maybe I should save the money for a whipple or Maggie
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You might gain the HP to match up, but not sure if you'll be able to match torque #'s going NA, unless you go big displacement. I'd go with a blower on standard boost, and that leaves you room to up boost when you forge the motor and go nutso
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I went from 461 rwhp/437 rwtq to whats in my sig just installing blower,dual pumps,and injectors. Not worried about a ZL1........yet. Do the
blower, you wont regret it!
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Old 04-13-2012, 04:24 PM   #17
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Old 04-13-2012, 05:12 PM   #18
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based off what i seen from the hennessy dyno, it put down 467rwhp / 492 lb torque
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With your RWHP your already matching what a stock ZL1 is putting down. The ZL1 will be no drag king. When they say track car they aren't referring to the strip.

Hennessey (on an unbroken in ZL1) ran a best of MID 12's GM ran what 12.1 from a rolling start..

Lot's of guys right now with LT's HF cats, Cai, scoops , tune and a set of DR's getting way down into that neighborhood.
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With your RWHP your already matching what a stock ZL1 is putting down. The ZL1 will be no drag king. When they say track car they aren't referring to the strip.

Hennessey (on an unbroken in ZL1) ran a best of MID 12's GM ran what 12.1 from a rolling start..

Lot's of guys right now with LT's HF cats, Cai, scoops , tune and a set of DR's getting way down into that neighborhood.


Yes, with his setup, his SS should already match a ZL1 down the strip. Most bone stock ZL1's will run low to mid 12s (average drivers). But with some real sticky tires and good driving, the ZL1 should get down in the mid 11s.

But with his mods, he should be down in the 11s. Cammed 5th gens should be running 11s.

My bolt ons setup (12.1 @ 113 - 114 mph) will beat plenty of stock ZL1s at the drag strip.

From a roll, its going to take 117 - 119 mph traps to run with a ZL1. But a cammed + bolt ons 5th gen should be able do that.

But the ZL1 will haul axx with just a few basic mods. It come from the factory with a supercharger and 580hp. Its going to be a beast with a few tweaks.
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Yes, with his setup, his SS should already match a ZL1 down the strip. Most bone stock ZL1's will run low to mid 12s (average drivers). But with some real sticky tires and good driving, the ZL1 should get down in the mid 11s.

But with his mods, he should be down in the 11s. Cammed 5th gens should be running 11s.

My bolt ons setup (12.1 @ 113 - 114 mph) will beat plenty of stock ZL1s at the drag strip.

From a roll, its going to take 117 - 119 mph traps to run with a ZL1. But a cammed + bolt ons 5th gen should be able do that.

But the ZL1 will haul axx with just a few basic mods. It come from the factory with a supercharger and 580hp. Its going to be a beast with a few tweaks.

this is true should be a beast with a couple simple mods. At the same time I really figured we would see a sub 12... i dunno but it is only 1 out of 1 runs for a time so far so im taking it with a grain of salt
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Actually i just got done reading a forced induction thread guy with a maggie with 8 psi supercharger hosed his car at 22k miles... but at the same time people have been able to run them without any problems. I think it might be a gamble if you do decide to do it make sure you have money saved to rebuild the motor with forged internals just in case it does go. Or just upgrade to forged internals first. I dunno, so you will have to keep us updated on what your decision is for sure!
That is probably a tuning issue. 8psi is nothing for a stock engine. Ive supercharged/turbod almost every car I have ever had, most on stock bottom ends, and they hold up remarkably well. LS3s are stout engines from the factory. Theyll hold up as long as you give them enough fuel and keep the intake charge temps down.
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That is probably a tuning issue. 8psi is nothing for a stock engine. Ive supercharged/turbod almost every car I have ever had, most on stock bottom ends, and they hold up remarkably well. LS3s are stout engines from the factory. Theyll hold up as long as you give them enough fuel and keep the intake charge temps down.
ok cool cool other guy musta got a bad duck... happens every once in a while you rarely hear about the success stories and more often hear the rare disaster but can only assume more people are successful with it then had a failure.
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