Making Mustang Owners Jealous

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by Jamie Mac

Yes but I'd bet there were a far greater number of adult Americans who had no clue or care about the 69 ZL1 and the same can be said today. The number of members of this forum and Camaro owners in general are minuscule when compared to the population of the United States.

I didn't realize that the discussion was referring to the entire adult population of the United States.

Originally Posted by Jamie Mac

The point being that I easily see the neighbor with a new GT500 not knowing about the new ZL1.

If one purchases a GT500, I think that there is a reasonable probability that one is a performance car enthusiast, and, therefore, it would not be unlikely that one would be familiar with the 1969 ZL1 engine, or the new ZL1 Camaro. In fact, I would be surprised if one who purchased a new GT500 wouldn't be at least somewhat familiar with the new ZL1 Camaro.

[Fenderaddict2]

Most car guys I know know of the musclecar legends but few are up on what's coming down the pipe. Most of my friends hadn't heard the Boss was back until they saw mine. And just as many both FMC and Chevy fans hadn't heard the ZL1 was back till they saw it at an Autoshow or in a magazine. Do we all know what the next pending Ford, Chevy, Porsche, Hyundai, BMW or Aston is? Heck many here thought the upcoming Canaro was a Z28. So assuming someone may be uninformed is itself uninformed. His or her interests and priorities may be elsewhere.

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

Most car guys I know know of the musclecar legends but few are up on what's coming down the pipe. Most of my friends hadn't heard the Boss was back until they saw mine. And just as many both FMC and Chevy fans hadn't heard the ZL1 was back till they saw it at an Autoshow or in a magazine. Do we all know what the next pending Ford, Chevy, Porsche, Hyundai, BMW or Aston is? Heck many here thought the upcoming Canaro was a Z28. So assuming someone may be uninformed is itself uninformed. His or her interests and priorities may be elsewhere.

I thought the the individual in question recently (within the last year) purchased a GT500, which would have been after the ZL1 was announced by Chevrolet, and, therefore, as a performance car enthusiast, would have heard of the ZL1 by the time of the GT500 purchase.

[demonspeed]

Originally Posted by IROCanSS

Just like when people buy a 1LS Camaro or a 1LT and call it an LS1 or LT1.... Maybe again I am the idiot, but when someone says I just got my LT1... I look for a 93-96 Z28. Am I wrong to expect that people will actually know what they are talking about... maybe.

I dunno -- I'd expect someone trying to make a point would know the correct years to be 93-97!

Originally Posted by Jamie Mac

Yes but I'd bet there were a far greater number of adult Americans who had no clue or care about the 69 ZL1 and the same can be said today. The point being that I easily see the neighbor with a new GT500 not knowing about the new ZL1. The number of members of this forum and Camaro owners in general are minuscule when compared to the population of the United States.

You're trying to use logic. It's too difficult to comprehend when most just prefer to rush on emotional response to biased rhetoric. Stop this common sense, Jamie.


Come on, guys. We'd better be careful and retreat back to "our" thread before people start getting offended...

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by IROCanSS

Just like when people buy a 1LS Camaro or a 1LT and call it an LS1 or LT1.... Maybe again I am the idiot, but when someone says I just got my LT1... I look for a 93-96 Z28. Am I wrong to expect that people will actually know what they are talking about... maybe.

Originally Posted by demonspeed

I dunno -- I'd expect someone trying to make a point would know the correct years to be 93-97!

The correct years for an LT1 engine would be 1970-1972 and 1993-1997.

[demonspeed]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

The correct years for an LT1 engine would be 1970-1972 and 1993-1997.

Actually, if we're going to split hairs... LT-1 was 70-72. LT1 was 93-97. You know they're two different animals. Let's not confuse people as it's very easy to do so!!!

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by Jamie Mac

Yes but I'd bet there were a far greater number of adult Americans who had no clue or care about the 69 ZL1 and the same can be said today. The point being that I easily see the neighbor with a new GT500 not knowing about the new ZL1. The number of members of this forum and Camaro owners in general are minuscule when compared to the population of the United States.

Originally Posted by demonspeed

You're trying to use logic. It's too difficult to comprehend when most just prefer to rush on emotional response to biased rhetoric. Stop this common sense, Jamie.

I wouldn't characterize a straw man argument as logic. The post responded to referenced "a majority of people on this board," (who would by definition be enthusiasts) not the population of the United States.

[demonspeed]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

I wouldn't characterize a straw man argument as logic. The post responded to referenced "a majority of people on this board," (who would by definition be enthusiasts) not the population of the United States.

I know what you're saying, but I believe what Jamie was attempting to infer is that even the "enthusiasts" who hop on this site or the Ford equivalent aren't really enthusiasts in the sense that they know everything about cars. It's Joe Schmoe who has some money, always "liked" cars, but didn't follow every new announcement -- they just know they liked the look of whatever car and the power they read about -- and voila! Here they are now an owner of whatever. Contrary to what one reads on here, that does not make them an instant expert.

Really, I know guys who are supposedly "Camaro" guys who would be hard pressed to tell me the breakdown of Camaro generations by year.

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by demonspeed

Actually, if we're going to split hairs... LT-1 was 70-72. LT1 was 93-97. You know they're two different animals. Let's not confuse people as it's very easy to do so!!!

Yes, I've seen the 70-72 LT-1 listed both ways, as LT-1 and as RPO LT1.

[Frankzl1]

I had a mustang gt pull right next to me and told me that he loved my car and that it looked bad a$$

[gearhead08]

The ZL1s are nice for sure, don't think im necessarily jealous but at the same time I wouldnt mind have one sitting in my garage either I am an avid enthusiast of all musclecars keep em coming!!!! gotta love the hp wars.

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by demonspeed

You're trying to use logic. It's too difficult to comprehend when most just prefer to rush on emotional response to biased rhetoric. Stop this common sense, Jamie...

...no offense to anyone, I thought it was funny as all heck and I really liked the sarcasim....

[SVT Murrocket]

Originally Posted by KRamdathZL1

Started up the ZEE today just to hear that wonderful exhaust note, and the neighbor across the street came buy to check it out.

Now this guy LOVES Mustangs. He has a GT, and just the other day bought a GT500. He had never heard of the ZL1, but was in with it.

I took him for a ride, and he could NOT stop . He said it was WAY faster than the GT500!! He LOVED EVERYTHING about the ZEE!

The ZL1 is changing people............

In reality, I'd put my money on the 2012 GT 500 as being the faster of the two. Power to weight / 25 HP will not make up for 250+ pounds. Real world times are starting to come out now and by the looks of things, stock for stock, the 2012 GT 500 owners have nothing to fear from a production ZL1. Also, we all know how easily the GT 500 takes to mods - I'm curious to see if the ZL1 will be the same way. Both are very nice cars, and I for one am glad Chevy is finally back in the game as the competition will improve both. Just look at what it's done for the 2013 GT 500...

Enjoy what you drive - be FAST and SAFE!

[krisw]

Originally Posted by SVT Murrocket

In reality, I'd put my money on the 2012 GT 500 as being the faster of the two. Power to weight / 25 HP will not make up for 200+ pounds. Real world times are starting to come out now and by the looks of things, stock for stock, the 2012 GT 500 owners have nothing to fear from a production ZL1. Also, we all know how easily the GT 500 takes to mods - I'm curious to see if the ZL1 will be the same way. Both are very nice cars, and I for one am glad Chevy is finally back in the game as the competition will improve both. Just look at what it's done for the 2013 GT 500...

Enjoy what you drive - be FAST and SAFE!

I dont know about that for most drivers as I had a 2011 GT500 track pck (canadian option name) and i traded it for the boss as it is way more balanced.The gt500 was not very good on launches and I am a pretty good driver. I would say the Zl1 would be a easier car to get going and get better times in real world driving due to the better suspension and launch control.

[CAM....ZL1]

Originally Posted by SVT Murrocket

In reality, I'd put my money on the 2012 GT 500 as being the faster of the two. Power to weight / 25 HP will not make up for 200+ pounds. Real world times are starting to come out now and by the looks of things, stock for stock, the 2012 GT 500 owners have nothing to fear from a production ZL1. Also, we all know how easily the GT 500 takes to mods - I'm curious to see if the ZL1 will be the same way. Both are very nice cars, and I for one am glad Chevy is finally back in the game as the competition will improve both. Just look at what it's done for the 2013 GT 500...

Enjoy what you drive - be FAST and SAFE!

recalculate 580-550=30.....each 100lbs = 1/10 of a second, launch control and suspension will easily compensate for the weight...

I would gladly take your money...Lol

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by krisw

I dont know about that for most drivers as I had a 2011 GT500 track pck (canadian option name) and i traded it for the boss as it is way more balanced.The gt500 was not very good on launches and I am a pretty good driver. I would say the Zl1 would be a easier car to get going and get better times in real world driving due to the better suspension and launch control.

What colour Boss did ya get?

[SVT Murrocket]

Originally Posted by CAM....ZL1

recalculate 580-550=30.....each 100lbs = 1/10 of a second, launch control and suspension will easily compensate for the weight...

I would gladly take your money...Lol

Easily??? Just line 'em up and see what happens. (Secret - most 2012 Gt 500's make more than the 550 claimed HP. I'll stand by my math)

[f ê r]

Originally Posted by KRamdathZL1

Started up the ZEE today just to hear that wonderful exhaust note, and the neighbor across the street came buy to check it out.

Now this guy LOVES Mustangs. He has a GT, and just the other day bought a GT500. He had never heard of the ZL1, but was in with it.

I took him for a ride, and he could NOT stop . He said it was WAY faster than the GT500!! He LOVED EVERYTHING about the ZEE!

The ZL1 is changing people............

You seem surprised?? Man of little faith...

The ZL1 is King, the ZL1 is the pace car of an entire company.

Originally Posted by SVT Murrocket

In reality, I'd put my money on the 2012 GT 500 as being the faster of the two. Power to weight / 25 HP will not make up for 250+ pounds. Real world times are starting to come out now and by the looks of things, stock for stock, the 2012 GT 500 owners have nothing to fear from a production ZL1. Also, we all know how easily the GT 500 takes to mods - I'm curious to see if the ZL1 will be the same way. Both are very nice cars, and I for one am glad Chevy is finally back in the game as the competition will improve both. Just look at what it's done for the 2013 GT 500...

Enjoy what you drive - be FAST and SAFE!

You know there're many Mustangs forums right? You readily dismiss many things GM has told us about ZL1 and go on to make assumptions about some of those details you know nothing of, unless you have access to your glorified '13 GT500. I don't take issue with many of your statements, however, your comparisons have little ground at this point unless you have seat time on a car hasn't come yet. I have to remember you that this is a private Community and the presence of everyone here is at will. If you don't like the ZL1, dont come here man. As simple as that...

Here we love our ZL1, even if the interior emblem fell off the dash or the coolant radiator cap is missing. If you dont have anything good to say about our cars, better dont say anything.

[Uneducated Guess]

:troll:

[SVT Murrocket]

Originally Posted by f ê r

You seem surprised?? Man of little faith...

The ZL1 is King, the ZL1 is the pace car of an entire company.



You know there're many Mustangs forums right? You readily dismiss many things GM has told us about ZL1 and go on to make assumptions about some of those details you know nothing of, unless you have access to your glorified '13 GT500. I don't take issue with many of your statements, however, your comparisons have little ground at this point unless you have seat time on a car hasn't come yet. I have to remember you that this is a private Community and the presence of everyone here is at will. If you don't like the ZL1, dont come here man. As simple as that...

Here we love our ZL1, even if the interior emblem fell off the dash or the coolant radiator cap is missing. If you dont have anything good to say about our cars, better dont say anything.

Never said I didn't like the ZL1. I think it's a fine all-around car. Also never said ANYTHING BAD about the ZL1. Period. Please give specific examples if you believe otherwise. Also, please provide specific examples how I "dismissed" many things that GM has told you. I'm the type who likes to see things for myself - do you REALLY take EVERYTHING GM says as Gospel? Really??? Face it friend, you have something aginst me because of the car I drive - and that's really your problem - As simple as that...

[Uneducated Guess]

Originally Posted by SVT Murrocket

Never said I didn't like the ZL1. I think it's a fine all-around car. Also never said ANYTHING BAD about the ZL1. Period. Please give specific examples if you believe otherwise. Also, please provide specific examples how I "dismissed" many things that GM has told you. I'm the type who likes to see things for mnyself - do you REALLY take EVERYTHING GM says as Gospel? Really??? Face it friend, you have something aginst me because of the car I drive - pretty obvious.

you must have missed the :troll: every bit of his statement was sarcastic

[Truck Norris]

Originally Posted by SVT Murrocket

(Secret - most 2012 Gt 500's make more than the 550 claimed HP.)

Shhhh

[krisw]

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

What colour Boss did ya get?

competition orange, its also a canadian car

[brucedd]

Originally Posted by SVT Murrocket

Easily??? Just line 'em up and see what happens. (Secret - most 2012 Gt 500's make more than the 550 claimed HP. I'll stand by my math)

But you don't have the 2012 do you? Are you paper racing other people's cars?

Bring YOUR car to the track then brag about who you beat. We will even let you stay quiet about those that beat you. That should keep you pretty quiet.

[GhostRS]

The force is strong with the Z...