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Old 04-23-2012, 11:16 PM   #1
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Post Sidemarkers Amber or Red?

Well folks, got myself a ticket last night for violating Ca Veh. Code 25950(a), illegal illuminated front lighting. I have AAC LED sidemarkers. They add an absolute amazing look to the car.

Problem is, CHP officer says they're red in front, and "redder" in the rear. To that, I say impossible. The front are amber/orange LED, the rear are true red. To that he says, the blinkers are amber...thought I was calling him color blind. Long story short, after 15 minutes on the side of the I-5, I received a ticket. Question: Does anyone make "yellow" front LED sidemarkers? I'd hate to revert back to OEM sidemarkers, at the same time, it might not be worth getting harassed every time I drive at night. I have pics, but they're horrible from my cell phone, and I'm out of town...will take some this weekend.

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Old 04-24-2012, 12:12 AM   #2
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If it is just a fix-it ticket go to a dealership and take a picture of stock side markers to show them. Have done this before on my tint with an old car.
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I agree, take pics of stock & after market lights for comparison to take to court. They figure you will just pay the fine. Have had mine for a year with no issues - so far....

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What the ??? Now that's some shit right there! Sorry Aaron..that aint right! Call Turko!
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:17 AM   #5
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If it is just a fix-it ticket go to a dealership and take a picture of stock side markers to show them. Have done this before on my tint with an old car.
Thanks, I'll do that! I can't believe he said the fronts were red, and the back are "redder". Wow!
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:21 AM   #6
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I agree, take pics of stock & after market lights for comparison to take to court. They figure you will just pay the fine. Have had mine for a year with no issues - so far....

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Yep, I'm gonna fight this like hell. No way they're red. I've got other illegal stuff he didn't even notice (no mufflers, tint, no front license plate). He was just blind I think.

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What the ??? Now that's some shit right there! Sorry Aaron..that aint right! Call Turko!
Good ole Turko files! Man I love these lights. THEY'RE ORANGE DAG NABBIT!!!
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Someone else reported the same issue a while back happening to them in Florida.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3272871

I too would have to call shenanigans on this one. Good luck/
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Someone else reported the same issue a while back happening to them in Florida.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3272871

I too would have to call shenanigans on this one. Good luck/
Hey, thanks a lot. Looks like he got popped for the exact same thing I did. The LED front sidemarkers are clearly amber/orange. CHP officer wasn't even trying to hear it. I can tell the difference. I'll post pics his weekend, sorry I parked my car and drove a rental while I'm out of town. I appreciate it.
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Be careful, these have no reflectors. So if you do try and fight it and they notice they do not have reflectors in them then you will definitely not win. I have some on order right now.
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Be careful, these have no reflectors. So if you do try and fight it and they notice they do not have reflectors in them then you will definitely not win. I have some on order right now.
Think I may have a chance to fight it.

25950. This section applies to the color of lamps and to any reflector exhibiting or reflecting perceptible light of 0.05 candela or more per foot-candle of incident illumination. Unless provided otherwise, the color of lamps and reflectors upon a vehicle shall be as follows:

(a) The emitted light from all lamps and the reflected light from all reflectors, visible from in front of a vehicle, shall be white or yellow, except as follows:

(1) Rear side marker lamps required by Section 25100 may show red to the front.

(2) The color of foglamps described in Section 24403 may be in the color spectrum from white to yellow.

(3) An illuminating device, as permitted under Section 24255, shall emit radiation predominantly in the infrared region of the electromagnetic spectrum. Any incidental visible light projecting to the front of the vehicle shall be predominantly yellow to white. Any incidental visible light projecting to the rear of the vehicle shall be predominantly red. Any incidental visible light from an illuminating device, as permitted under Section 24255, shall not resemble any other required or permitted lighting device or official traffic control device.

These lights are NOT projecting to the front. They project to the side, and are of the infrared spectrum. Maybe interpreted as incidental, but hmmm that's a stretch because it's orange not red. Contacted AAC, they don't make yellow. The wavelength from yellow to orange to red is such a fine line. Thanks Taylor, hope you don't have any issues. Haven't read the requirement for reflection. Maybe it's there...just haven't found it.
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Old 04-24-2012, 09:52 AM   #11
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Good luck. Sounds like you are doing your homework.

Let us know how it shakes out.
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Well folks, got myself a ticket last night for violating Ca Veh. Code 25950(a), illegal illuminated front lighting. I have AAC LED sidemarkers. They add an absolute amazing look to the car.

Problem is, CHP officer says they're red in front, and "redder" in the rear. To that, I say impossible. The front are amber/orange LED, the rear are true red. To that he says, the blinkers are amber...thought I was calling him color blind. Long story short, after 15 minutes on the side of the I-5, I received a ticket. Question: Does anyone make "yellow" front LED sidemarkers? I'd hate to revert back to OEM sidemarkers, at the same time, it might not be worth getting harassed every time I drive at night. I have pics, but they're horrible from my cell phone, and I'm out of town...will take some this weekend.

Thoughts, suggestions, comments...
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If you need us to provide documentation from the LED manufacturer Bridgelux showing the frequency of the diode which determines the color in the spectrum and prove your point that it is operating within the color that FMVSS considers to be "Amber" and threrfore street legal just send me a PM
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If you need us to provide documentation from the LED manufacturer Bridgelux showing the frequency of the diode which determines the color in the spectrum and prove your point that it is operating within the color that FMVSS considers to be "Amber" and threrfore street legal just send me a PM
That would be absolutely WONDERFUL. Sending pm now!
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Old 04-24-2012, 11:12 AM   #14
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I had the same issues happen to me while going on and off base down at NAS Pcola and Eglin AFB.

Both times they told me that my lights were "red" in front.

I asked one of the guys to step back and compare them to the red ones in rear and he really quick said "yup, they're amber, you're good."

The guy at NAS stopped me once a week at least to "take a closer look" I think that he just wanted to check out the car since he never actually gave me a ticket or warning.

But those were the only issues/times that I've had that in my 47k miles of driving in over half of the country.

Has to be a personal preference thing when it comes to being stopped like this.

Keep us posted on your dealings and good luck Gunny.
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I had the same issues happen to me while going on and off base down at NAS Pcola and Eglin AFB.

Both times they told me that my lights were "red" in front.

I asked one of the guys to step back and compare them to the red ones in rear and he really quick said "yup, they're amber, you're good."

The guy at NAS stopped me once a week at least to "take a closer look" I think that he just wanted to check out the car since he never actually gave me a ticket or warning.

But those were the only issues/times that I've had that in my 47k miles of driving in over half of the country.

Has to be a personal preference thing when it comes to being stopped like this.

Keep us posted on your dealings and good luck Gunny.
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Ivan, that's what I tried to do. I can clearly tell the difference. When this officer looked, he said "the front are red, the back are redder". Then he had me turn on my blinker. He said, that's amber. I tried to explain the difference between halogen blinker, and LED sidemarker electrons...but he wasn't trying to hear it. He accused me of calling him color blind. I just pm'd AACStyle for a write up. Hopefully that helps. My brother's a LA detective, this is in no way bashing CHP. I just think he was wrong.

I haven't had any problems driving on base. Only a few more months of that, and I retire. I was down TAD to Pcola back in 2007 for 4 months. Had a great time, Seville Quarters or Seville Square I believe was the district. Awesome!
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LA Sheriffs pulled me over a few weeks ago. I simply lied and told them that they were signed off on as 50-state legal, and were Amber, in accordance with the international traffic and safety standards. The deputy responded by saying I may need to carry paperwork to prove that, but he'd let me off with a warning.

What we really need is new bulbs for the front that are the same color.

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Old 04-25-2012, 12:31 AM   #17
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I got pulled over this weekend on a Navy base for my amber halos on my Tahoe. He said they were red. I said they were amber. He said they were red. I flipped the switch to make them white. He said have a nice night.

We run red / dark orange halos and fogs on our Camaro without any issues. Sounds like the guy was just being overly enthusiastic (or jealous). The side markers are one of my absolute favorite purchases for our car.
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LA Sheriffs pulled me over a few weeks ago. I simply lied and told them that they were signed off on as 50-state legal, and were Amber, in accordance with the international traffic and safety standards. The deputy responded by saying I may need to carry paperwork to prove that, but he'd let me off with a warning.

What we really need is new bulbs for the front that are the same color.

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Thanks Ed. I argued with this CHP officer so long, my head hurt. I wish there was a true yellow to avoid this. I pm'd AAC to get a statement. I'll take that to court. I know the difference in spectrum, and can see it displayed in these lights. This guy was just not listening to any explanation. If I get this signed off, I'll leave the papers in my glovebox.

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I got pulled over this weekend on a Navy base for my amber halos on my Tahoe. He said they were red. I said they were amber. He said they were red. I flipped the switch to make them white. He said have a nice night.

We run red / dark orange halos and fogs on our Camaro without any issues. Sounds like the guy was just being overly enthusiastic (or jealous). The side markers are one of my absolute favorite purchases for our car.
Hahaha I wish I could have had color changing sidemarkers, sorta like your halo's. On base I've had no issues. He looked at the front and back, and said the only difference was the shade of red. Oy vey!
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Pics of front AAC sidemarkers as promised!!! Do these look red or orange, honesty?





If that's red, I don't know how I passed the color and vision test I had to take as part of a military out processing physical. Jeezus H. Christ!!!
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Looks Orange to me! You should of knife hand him gunny then made a run for it. J/k
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Looks Orange to me! You should of knife hand him gunny then made a run for it. J/k
I seriously felt like giving this guy my best one back, two back...Dave Chapelle style. I just can't figure out how he couldn't see orange there. Even as cars passed us on the freeway, he said their tail lights were the same color as my sidemarkers. GTFOH!!!
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I would love to whip that out if an officer pulled me over!
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I would love to whip that out if an officer pulled me over!
Waiting on it now! I'm gonna take it to court, plus leave it in my glovebox.
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U would think r BLACK CAMAROS would show the color diff. better than any other color! DUM ASS COP!
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U would think r BLACK CAMAROS would show the color diff. better than any other color! DUM ASS COP!
Granted it was night on the freeway with not streetlights, but get real. He wouldn't even compare the two at a distance. Only time he looked at the rear sidemarkers was when he came up to my car, and when he went back to write the ticket. The only thing he had on his mind was "red in front...red in front". I'm gonna get my stuff together for court.
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