The Stig's Phantom Black Metallic SS [COTW 1/16/12]

[The Stig]

Update:

Pennsylvania laws are very frustrating. I just got this email from the officer, in reply to the email I sent him with the audio attached to it.

Originally Posted by the officer

Mr. Stieger,
I had the chance to listen to the recording that you sent. I then contacted the Crawford County District Attorney's office regarding the recording. The first issue that is addressed is the legality of audio taping without consent of a subject. As I discussed with you before, Pennsylvania has stringent laws regarding the recording of someone's voice without their knowledge or consent. There are some exceptions to the law however; none seem to fit your particular incident.

The Assistant DA that I spoke with indicated that he thinks perhaps the recording may be considered legal because there is not as much of an expectation of privacy on a public street. However; the fact that you had to manipulate the recording to hear it renders it inadmissible. In order for the recording to be admissible, the recording would have to be manipulated by an approved agency or organization such as a Pennsylvania State Police crime lab.

So good news is that the audio will be admissible. Bad news is that the audio is only admissible if a state crime lab or an approved agency is the one who manipulates it.

[The Stig]

On another up side, I got about 90% of Ofer's backup camera installed. I was running out of daylight so figured it'd be better to finish it tomorrow than half ass it in the dark.


And I'll probably install my CF door pulls sometime tomorrow after I finish installing the backup camera.

Oh and did I mention I'm frustrated that the audio isn't admissible? Well I am.

[FL1CK]

Send them the original and have them manipulate it...

[The Stig]

Originally Posted by FL1CK

Send them the original and have them manipulate it...

they don't have a crime lab. So even if they offered to do it, they can't. But I'm not blaming the officer for this or anything like that. It's just a hiccup.

[The Stig]

backup camera

[PQ]

I still go with manipulate dudes skull.

[TAG UR IT]

Originally Posted by stieger

Update:

Pennsylvania laws are very frustrating. I just got this email from the officer, in reply to the email I sent him with the audio attached to it.



So good news is that the audio will be admissible. Bad news is that the audio is only admissible if a state crime lab or an approved agency is the one who manipulates it.

And this is where I say, "I told ya that Officer/Detective didn't know what he was talking about and that law was BS."

The example I used before was a person using a cell phone out in public on the street. There is no expectation of privacy. You don't go around and get everyone to sign a waiver. That's complete crap. I told you the guy didn't know what he was talking about.

If you have the original recording that has not been manipulated/altered, then you need to find out from their evidence technicians who to send it to. Then, I'd get in touch with them and get the ball rolling. Otherwise, if you don't have the original, it might prove difficult.

[The Stig]

This is what I sent the officer in response to his email, what I posted earlier.

Originally Posted by stieger

Thank you for the quick response Officer. I have attached the unaltered audio. Where will you be sending it to have it looked at? I checked the Pennsylvania state website and it appears that the Harrisburg Regional Laboratory (717-783-5554) is the only laboratory that handles multimedia evidence. I would greatly appreciate it if you are able to keep me in the loop with all of this. Thank you.

His response

Originally Posted by the officer

First off, I would have to have permission to send something like that away because of the expense associated with it. Second, I would most likely need the actual device that recorded the audio.

Why is this such an uphill battle edit. that emoticon doesn't cover it....

Aywho, I told him that I was more than willing to pay the expenses of having the audio looked at and that I was again more than willing to give him the camera that was used to record the video/audio if he did indeed need it.

I'm starting to think about manipulating the guy's skull a little bit more now.

[kjkjr27]

Now having a background of forensic science. The camera would actually needed to be submitted as a piece of evidence so they can have what is known as a chain of custody that documents every movement and what is done to the camera/audio. Without that a good lawyer can say the voice could not even be the person in question if it is not documented and that it could have been illegally altered to make it be the persons voice, if that makes any sense. Its more complicated then it seems but its all in good favor of all our basic rights.

[The Stig]

Originally Posted by kjkjr27

Now having a background of forensic science. The camera would actually needed to be submitted as a piece of evidence so they can have what is known as a chain of custody that documents every movement and what is done to the camera/audio. Without that a good lawyer can say the voice could not even be the person in question if it is not documented and that it could have been illegally altered to make it be the persons voice, if that makes any sense. Its more complicated then it seems but its all in good favor of all our basic rights.

I totally understand the need for chain of evidence (I've watched a couple episodes of NCIS :bellyroll). This is the thing though. The camera records to an SD card. Like I said, I'm more than happy to give them the camera, but nothing will be on it. It's all on the SD card.

[kjkjr27]

You would prob have to give them both the camera and sd or maybe just the sd. it depends on what technology the lab you want to send it to or where it will ge sent has. More sophisticated(sp?) labs have the technology to just take it off the sd card. If that happens though there could be a chance you wont get the camera and sd back for awhile all depends on the outcome of everything.

[mlee]

Holy Crap... Been busy lately and so I had to go back a few pages here and get caught up... So many things come to mind, but revenge keeps floating to the top. What a wild ride... hope the dude gets his soon.

Glad to see things are getting back together here.

[The Stig]

Originally Posted by kjkjr27

You would prob have to give them both the camera and sd or maybe just the sd. it depends on what technology the lab you want to send it to or where it will ge sent has. More sophisticated(sp?) labs have the technology to just take it off the sd card. If that happens though there could be a chance you wont get the camera and sd back for awhile all depends on the outcome of everything.

What about if the file on the SD card has been over written? Can it be recovered?

[kjkjr27]

I'm not exactly sure I'm not really tech savy. I would think there would be a digital footprint but again idk.

[ZooDad]

Originally Posted by stieger

What about if the file on the SD card has been over written? Can it be recovered?

Yes and no. Deleted and not totally ovwrwritten, then probably yes.
If card was just formated then yes.

ZooDad

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[The Stig]

Carbon fiber Door Pulls from G3-Composites

Install was super easy (once I figured it out). Just had to remove the door panels and take off some of the screws holding the CF insert in place. The passenger side (did that side first) took me about an hour ish because I couldn't figure out how to get the damn door pull off of the door. I eventually figured it out, so when I did the driver's side it took me maybe 30 minutes.

back of the door panel



The door pulls have a little hook in the back that attaches to the armrest portion of the door panel. Ask me how long it took me to figure that out.



Then the door pulls also have this little catch/latch thing that holds them in place at the top. Again ask me how long it took me to figure this out.



Door panel without the door pull






window switch thingy

[SSTG]

That CF looks good RJ!

[kjkjr27]

Very nice, I personally am not a fan of carbon fiber but that looks really good. Great job

[TAG UR IT]

How do those CF ABL door panels work for you?

I got a pair of those a long time ago and ..... well .... I'll leave it at that... :(

[The Stig]

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

How do those CF ABL door panels work for you?

I got a pair of those a long time ago and ..... well .... I'll leave it at that... :(

I love them. I originally got them because it was just an awesome deal. But now that I've had them installed for a month or so I don't think I could go back.

[The Stig]

Originally Posted by stieger

This is what I sent the officer in response to his email, what I posted earlier.

His response

Why is this such an uphill battle edit. that emoticon doesn't cover it....

Aywho, I told him that I was more than willing to pay the expenses of having the audio looked at and that I was again more than willing to give him the camera that was used to record the video/audio if he did indeed need it.

I'm starting to think about manipulating the guy's skull a little bit more now.

Remember when I posted this? It was like two days ago. Well I called the Harrisburg Regional Laboratory to find out how much it would cost for me to pay for them to look at my video. All I can say is "WOW, you've got to be ****ing kidding me."

Let's look at what the officer told me in the email.

First.

Originally Posted by the officer

First off, I would have to have permission to send something like that away because of the expense associated with it.

According to the lab tech I spoke with, there is NO cost associated with sending the video to the crime lab. As the person being charged with the crime foots the bill. So we're 0 for 1 on legitimate reasons as to why he hasn't sent it to the crime lab. Oh and the lab tech was shocked, that's right shocked, that the officer hadn't sent the video to the lab already.

Second

Originally Posted by the officer

Second, I would most likely need the actual device that recorded the audio.

Nope. Don't need the device that recorded it, don't even need the SD card that it saved onto. All they need is a dvd with the file on it. That's it. Why? Because they can tell if the file was manipulated or not regardless if they have the original device or not. The lab tech didn't even understand why I was asking him if they needed the original recording device. So we are now 0 for 2 on legitimate reasons the officer has not sent my video to the crime lab.


After finding all of this information out I proceed to call the station and request to speak to the officer in charge of my case. Well turns out he's off until Wednesday night, and he doesn't check his emails while he's off. So I waited a little while and called back wanting to speak to one of the Sargents. They are all out on a call, I was told to call back later.

It's not like I'm trying to go over the officer's head. That's not it at all. ALL I am trying to do is find out who keyed Kaylee. That's it. OK and charge that person for felony level criminal mischief. I don't think that's too much to ask. All I want is for the justice system to work. That's it.

If nothing comes of this (which I will be NOT ok with) then I will think about playing some very elaborate practical jokes on the person.

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by stieger

Remember when I posted this? It was like two days ago. Well I called the Harrisburg Regional Laboratory to find out how much it would cost for me to pay for them to look at my video. All I can say is "WOW, you've got to be ****ing kidding me."

Let's look at what the officer told me in the email.

First.

According to the lab tech I spoke with, there is NO cost associated with sending the video to the crime lab. As the person being charged with the crime foots the bill. So we're 0 for 1 on legitimate reasons as to why he hasn't sent it to the crime lab. Oh and the lab tech was shocked, that's right shocked, that the officer hadn't sent the video to the lab already.

Second

Nope. Don't need the device that recorded it, don't even need the SD card that it saved onto. All they need is a dvd with the file on it. That's it. Why? Because they can tell if the file was manipulated or not regardless if they have the original device or not. The lab tech didn't even understand why I was asking him if they needed the original recording device. So we are now 0 for 2 on legitimate reasons the officer has not sent my video to the crime lab.


After finding all of this information out I proceed to call the station and request to speak to the officer in charge of my case. Well turns out he's off until Wednesday night, and he doesn't check his emails while he's off. So I waited a little while and called back wanting to speak to one of the Sargents. They are all out on a call, I was told to call back later.

It's not like I'm trying to go over the officer's head. That's not it at all. ALL I am trying to do is find out who keyed Kaylee. That's it. OK and charge that person for felony level criminal mischief. I don't think that's too much to ask. All I want is for the justice system to work. That's it.

If nothing comes of this (which I will be NOT ok with) then I will think about playing some very elaborate practical jokes on the person.

hmmmm....makes you wonder if this frat guy has connections.

[Junkman2008]

Originally Posted by Bad@ssCamaro

hmmmm....makes you wonder if this frat guy has connections.

Nope, the police are not dedicated to solving this crime because no one was hurt or killed. That's the way it works in law enforcement. Draw blood and results will come. However, the squeaky gear gets the grease. The more you call (within reason of course), the better your chances are of getting results. Parents of kidnapped or killed children have to do the same thing if the case goes cold and we're talking about a life in that situation. There's more crime than detectives and your crime sits in a pecking order. It's always been that way.

[The Stig]

Originally Posted by Bad@ssCamaro

hmmmm....makes you wonder if this frat guy has connections.

Doubt it.


Also, I love my girlfriend. She just let me vent/rant at her for a solid 15 minutes.

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by stieger

Doubt it.


Also, I love my girlfriend. She just let me vent/rant at her for a solid 15 minutes.

I guess you have to keep pressing the issue and exhaust all avenues....