Pedders ZL-1 Lowering kit???? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

the rich dude · 04-29-2012, 02:24 AM

So Pete, when do we get to see the first lowered ZL-1???

JusticePete · 04-29-2012, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by the rich dude

So Pete, when do we get to see the first lowered ZL-1???

Wearethisclosetotheproductionversion. I am keeping my fingers and toes crossed, praying to the customs gods, rubbing a rabbit's foot, carrying a four leaf clover, wishing on a star (did I miss anything?) to be able to show off the production version of our ZL1 performance coils at Rodger's Chevrolet Camaro Day May 12th.

the rich dude · 04-29-2012, 09:14 PM

sweet!!! how much of a drop you shooting for?

JusticePete · 04-29-2012, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by the rich dude

sweet!!! how much of a drop you shooting for?

How is the weather up in Vancouver?

the rich dude · 04-30-2012, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JusticePete

How is the weather up in Vancouver?

Hahahaha!!! If that's not avoiding the question then I don't know what is!!!!!!

Raining like a MoFo right now!!!

JusticePete · 04-30-2012, 04:27 PM

the rich dude · 04-30-2012, 06:40 PM

NICE!!! So, coils, sway bars and bushings

Now lets see some installed pics!!!

JusticePete · 04-30-2012, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by the rich dude

NICE!!! So, coils, sway bars and bushings

Now lets see some installed pics!!!

There will be an unveil of the 1st Pedderised ZL1 on the 12th at Rodgers Chevrolet

JusticePete · 04-30-2012, 08:24 PM

Rodgers Event Details: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215799

thespymaster · 04-30-2012, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JusticePete

Wearethisclosetotheproductionversion. I am keeping my fingers and toes crossed, praying to the customs gods, rubbing a rabbit's foot, carrying a four leaf clover, wishing on a star (did I miss anything?) to be able to show off the production version of our ZL1 performance coils at Rodger's Chevrolet Camaro Day May 12th.

Don't forget to rub the ears and scratch the belly of the official PEDDERS MASCOT

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L99CAMA2011 · 04-30-2012, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JusticePete

Are you going to have the full cradle bush as an option as well.

JusticePete · 04-30-2012, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by L99CAMA2011

Are you going to have the full cradle bush as an option as well.

Yes, we have full sub-frame replacement for the ZL1 but don't see them as the best solution. The GM Engineers made changes to the density of the sub-frame bushes. They are pretty damn good from the factory and much better than on the SS regardless of year. Adding the Sub-Frame inserts to the denser rubber ZL1 sub-frame bushes is and ideal match. Unless we are converting the ZL1 to a race car EP1200 inserts are the answer.

the rich dude · 05-01-2012, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JusticePete

There will be an unveil of the 1st Pedderised ZL1 on the 12th at Rodgers Chevrolet

You better post up pics on the 12th then!!!!

JusticePete · 05-01-2012, 07:54 PM

That is an OEM ZL1 rear coil on the left. The Pedders coil on the right is .6mm thicker wire. What is really interesting is that Chevrolet now has coil wrap in the same place on the ZL1 rear coils that Pedders has been using on our lowering coils since 2009. If I didn't know better I would say that both coils were made at Pedders. At this time, only the red coil on the right is made at Pedders

Why would you lower a car that is already incredibly fast in the turns as was clearly demonstrated at the Ring? Let me count the ways

How about just the highlights?

The fender gap and minimum road clearances used at GM for the Vette and ZL1 are aggressive for an OEM. As performance tuned as the ZL1 is, Pedders as an aftermarket company can do things GM won't do. Lowering the ZL1 just an inch will have the bottom of the front spoiler / fascia 4.5" off the ground. That is pretty low and it will scrape on a good range of driveways and speed bumps. The driver will have to use a very gentle approach angle to navigate them. A Pedders driver knows this and doesn't mind it. Most new car buyers would not tolerate it.

Lowering the car will lower the CG and improve handling. Raising the coil rates a bit will do the same. The MRC system will still measure and adjust the same 500 times per second. The MRC front struts on the Escalade and Denali respond very well to Pedders Lowering Coils. The CTS-V does the same with lowering coils. Expect your ZL1 to do it better.

Add a Pedders 32mm rear Z bar and adjustable 27mm front bar as upgrades to the 25mm front and 28mm rear bars on the ZL1 to wring a bit more out of the ZL1 in hard turns and hard launches. My guess is that the Camaro TEAM looked at very similar bars and bar ratios. They came to the conclusion that for all round use, for optimal customer satisfaction and longevity of the rear lower control arms and rear sway bar mounting points a 28mm solid bar was perfect. Pedders clients will not complain if they need new lower control arms at 75,000 miles because the droplink mounting area in the bottom of the arm is fatigued. Many OEM customers would complain if that happened at 150,000 miles. They also will never know just how well a 5th Gen can corner with the Pedders maxed out bars.

The Camaro TEAM upgraded the sub-frame bushes for 2012 and then again for the ZL1. Why did they stop where they stopped with the ZL1? They came to the conclusion that for all round use, for optimal customer satisfaction and longevity the denser hockey puck hard front sub-frame bushes were the limit. Pedders drivers want more. So we deliver it. Our EP1200 kit first the 2010 / 2011 5th Gen with some thin fingers on the ends of the bushes. Those fingers are removed for the ZL1, but we still install 95% of the EP1200 bush kit by weight.

BeckyD@RodgersChevrolet · 05-01-2012, 08:01 PM

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Rodgers Event Details: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215799

This is a sneek peek...................

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thespymaster · 05-01-2012, 10:35 PM

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This is a sneek peek...................

Rich@BSP · 05-02-2012, 10:18 AM

I would be there to say hi to you Pete and meet Becky, but we are having something here.

JusticePete · 05-02-2012, 01:28 PM

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I would be there to say hi to you Pete and meet Becky, but we are having something here.

How's the knee?

ModBargains.com · 05-02-2012, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JusticePete

Wearethisclosetotheproductionversion. I am keeping my fingers and toes crossed, praying to the customs gods, rubbing a rabbit's foot, carrying a four leaf clover, wishing on a star (did I miss anything?) to be able to show off the production version of our ZL1 performance coils at Rodger's Chevrolet Camaro Day May 12th.

Can't wait!! I'm excited to see what you guys can do on the ZL-1

JusticePete · 05-02-2012, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by L99CAMA2011

Are you going to have the full cradle bush as an option as well.

The full bushes replacement bushes will fit the ZL1. The question is do we need them. The made the front sub-frame bushes 'hockey puck hard for the ZL1. They are better. With the open areas filled and the control surfaces increased with urethane the results have been very very good. We'll get more time on them in more conditions and with more power in the next few months and I'll be able to answer your question more accurately. At this time I can unequivocally state the ZL1 IRS work damn well bone stock. I am sure some one will produce wheel hop with the ZL1, but I have yet to see or experience it. The inserts make it more crisp, but there is not the huge gain seen with a FE2 / FE3 or FE4. The ZL1 may not need full bushes.

JusticePete · 05-09-2012, 05:55 PM

The Saturday unveil is almost here....

Rich@BSP · 05-11-2012, 09:32 AM

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How's the knee?

Taking to long to heal but getting better Thanks For asking

JusticePete · 05-11-2012, 10:58 PM

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Taking to long to heal but getting better Thanks For asking

I hope your Dyno Day is a HUGE success under sunny skies!

JusticePete · 05-11-2012, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by the rich dude

So Pete, when do we get to see the first lowered ZL-1???

Tomorrow May 11, 2012 at Rodgers Chevrolet, Woodhaven Michigan for the noon unveil!

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Originally Posted by BeckyD@RodgersChevrolet

This is a sneek peek...................

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My preview...

And mine is bigger than yours

*mlee* · 05-11-2012, 11:03 PM

Oh man... can't wait to see... B^&%%'s Car

04-29-2012, 02:24 AM	#1
the rich dude Drives: Getting 2010 Camaro Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Vancouver Posts: 971	Pedders ZL-1 Lowering kit???? So Pete, when do we get to see the first lowered ZL-1???

04-30-2012, 04:27 PM	#6
JusticePete Needs Lowering Drives: Pedders USA Camaro Justice Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 13,645	__________________ Camaro Information \| Buy Pedders Parts \| Pedders Dealers \| The 5th Gen Book \| GMPP \| SEMA Hot Wheels Camaro Brochure \| EOD Fund Facebook Pedders Head Office 248.522.8021

04-30-2012, 08:24 PM	#9
JusticePete Needs Lowering Drives: Pedders USA Camaro Justice Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 13,645	Rodgers Event Details: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215799 __________________ Camaro Information \| Buy Pedders Parts \| Pedders Dealers \| The 5th Gen Book \| GMPP \| SEMA Hot Wheels Camaro Brochure \| EOD Fund Facebook Pedders Head Office 248.522.8021

05-01-2012, 07:54 PM	#14
JusticePete Needs Lowering Drives: Pedders USA Camaro Justice Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 13,645	That is an OEM ZL1 rear coil on the left. The Pedders coil on the right is .6mm thicker wire. What is really interesting is that Chevrolet now has coil wrap in the same place on the ZL1 rear coils that Pedders has been using on our lowering coils since 2009. If I didn't know better I would say that both coils were made at Pedders. At this time, only the red coil on the right is made at Pedders Why would you lower a car that is already incredibly fast in the turns as was clearly demonstrated at the Ring? Let me count the ways How about just the highlights? The fender gap and minimum road clearances used at GM for the Vette and ZL1 are aggressive for an OEM. As performance tuned as the ZL1 is, Pedders as an aftermarket company can do things GM won't do. Lowering the ZL1 just an inch will have the bottom of the front spoiler / fascia 4.5" off the ground. That is pretty low and it will scrape on a good range of driveways and speed bumps. The driver will have to use a very gentle approach angle to navigate them. A Pedders driver knows this and doesn't mind it. Most new car buyers would not tolerate it. Lowering the car will lower the CG and improve handling. Raising the coil rates a bit will do the same. The MRC system will still measure and adjust the same 500 times per second. The MRC front struts on the Escalade and Denali respond very well to Pedders Lowering Coils. The CTS-V does the same with lowering coils. Expect your ZL1 to do it better. Add a Pedders 32mm rear Z bar and adjustable 27mm front bar as upgrades to the 25mm front and 28mm rear bars on the ZL1 to wring a bit more out of the ZL1 in hard turns and hard launches. My guess is that the Camaro TEAM looked at very similar bars and bar ratios. They came to the conclusion that for all round use, for optimal customer satisfaction and longevity of the rear lower control arms and rear sway bar mounting points a 28mm solid bar was perfect. Pedders clients will not complain if they need new lower control arms at 75,000 miles because the droplink mounting area in the bottom of the arm is fatigued. Many OEM customers would complain if that happened at 150,000 miles. They also will never know just how well a 5th Gen can corner with the Pedders maxed out bars. The Camaro TEAM upgraded the sub-frame bushes for 2012 and then again for the ZL1. Why did they stop where they stopped with the ZL1? They came to the conclusion that for all round use, for optimal customer satisfaction and longevity the denser hockey puck hard front sub-frame bushes were the limit. Pedders drivers want more. So we deliver it. Our EP1200 kit first the 2010 / 2011 5th Gen with some thin fingers on the ends of the bushes. Those fingers are removed for the ZL1, but we still install 95% of the EP1200 bush kit by weight. __________________ Camaro Information \| Buy Pedders Parts \| Pedders Dealers \| The 5th Gen Book \| GMPP \| SEMA Hot Wheels Camaro Brochure \| EOD Fund Facebook Pedders Head Office 248.522.8021

05-09-2012, 05:55 PM	#21
JusticePete Needs Lowering Drives: Pedders USA Camaro Justice Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 13,645	The Saturday unveil is almost here.... __________________ Camaro Information \| Buy Pedders Parts \| Pedders Dealers \| The 5th Gen Book \| GMPP \| SEMA Hot Wheels Camaro Brochure \| EOD Fund Facebook Pedders Head Office 248.522.8021

04-29-2012, 09:14 PM	#3
the rich dude Drives: Getting 2010 Camaro Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Vancouver Posts: 971	sweet!!! how much of a drop you shooting for?

04-30-2012, 06:40 PM	#7
the rich dude Drives: Getting 2010 Camaro Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Vancouver Posts: 971	NICE!!! So, coils, sway bars and bushings Now lets see some installed pics!!!

05-02-2012, 10:18 AM	#17
Rich@BSP Drives: wife says to many Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Medina Oh Posts: 75	I would be there to say hi to you Pete and meet Becky, but we are having something here.

05-11-2012, 11:03 PM	#25
mlee H-Town Camaro Club Drives: Number Twenty-Three Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Conroe, TX Posts: 18,749 View My Garage	Oh man... can't wait to see... B^&%%'s Car __________________ .