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Old 04-29-2012, 02:17 PM   #69
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The Vette "space frame" actually has the two hydroformed tubes or rails that some might look at as a frame. It is actually just part of the body structure. For the Z06, those rails and the rest of the space frame were changed to aluminum. One of my proudest accomplishments was leading the team that did that engineering work for the Z06. It saved well over 100 pounds but was quite expensive. Aluminum is lighter than steel and costs a whole bunch more. Can't give you the prices though.

And converting to aluminum isn't as easy as just changing materials. Aluminum doesn't have the same strength so in some cases you may have to look at thicker panels. Look at the Auid A8 for example. A great example of an all aluminum body structure and yet it still weights well over 4,000 pounds. A very large car yes, but not a miracle of weight loss either.

So in the right applications you can get some nice saving with aluminum. An engine block alone can save 100 pounds or so.
10-4....that makes sense. Considering the cost, basically aluminum is better put to use on fat, bulkier items such as a block, vs longer/thinner items (floor pans) that are subject to twisting, etc. Looks like aluminum is roughly 4-5 time the price of steel.

That's cool about doing the work on the Z06...wish I could hover over your shoulder for a day!
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Old 04-29-2012, 02:32 PM   #70
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You said they didn't produce a SS in the 2nd gen. You were wrong. They only made a Z/28 for 3 years as a 1st gen, is that somehow irrelevant too now? What if they only made 1 SS as 2nd gen? They only made 2 ZL1 Corvettes as a C3 and nobody ignores the significance of those.

I was simply pointing out your error. Relax. I make mistakes every day.
considering how long the first gen was made. yea it is. so what if I'm wrong. you're the one being an ass. If you hadn't been an ass maybe I would have just said ok. yea I'm wrong. but instead you wanted to be an ass. either way doesn't change the fact the Z28 was until the 5th gen always part of the camaro line up. the SS has not.
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Old 04-29-2012, 02:34 PM   #71
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Oh and 70-81 is a 12 year run, not 11. Use your fingers and toes or an abacus next time if you want to count accurately.
again being an ass. typical internet. for all you know I fat fingered it and didn't see my mistake. one digit off. but you want to be an ass hide behind your keyboard. fine with me. easily ignored from now on.
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10-4....that makes sense. Considering the cost, basically aluminum is better put to use on fat, bulkier items such as a block, vs longer/thinner items (floor pans) that are subject to twisting, etc. Looks like aluminum is roughly 4-5 time the price of steel.

That's cool about doing the work on the Z06...wish I could hover over your shoulder for a day!
I'd think that aluminum or carbon fiber would work well in any nonstressed part; fenders (front only), doors, trunk lid...
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again being an ass. typical internet. for all you know I fat fingered it and didn't see my mistake. one digit off. but you want to be an ass hide behind your keyboard. fine with me. easily ignored from now on.
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Old 04-29-2012, 07:27 PM   #74
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Troll?
I'm not a troll, I'm a camaro guy.
I'm just wondering why you guys are so dedicated and spend so much time and effort discussing a car that doesn't exist?
A Z/28 would be cool, but the ZL1 is the king of the hill.
Have all of you guys owned a Z/28 before, and want to re-live the past?
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Old 04-29-2012, 07:33 PM   #75
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I'm not a troll, I'm a camaro guy. ok
I'm just wondering why you guys are so dedicated and spend so much time and effort discussing a car that doesn't exist? yet
A Z/28 would be cool, but the ZL1 is the king of the hill. agree
Have all of you guys owned a Z/28 before, and want to re-live the past? no
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Old 04-29-2012, 07:51 PM   #76
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I'm not a troll, I'm a camaro guy.
I'm just wondering why you guys are so dedicated and spend so much time and effort discussing a car that doesn't exist?
A Z/28 would be cool, but the ZL1 is the king of the hill.
Have all of you guys owned a Z/28 before, and want to re-live the past?
Much better way to ask.

You could take some time to look through the different threads in this section and find the answer...
I'll simply say that what we want is what the Z28 was originally built to be, a track (not dragging) ready street car. It's not so much the name it's what it stand for...hence the name.
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I'm not a troll, I'm a camaro guy.
I'm just wondering why you guys are so dedicated and spend so much time and effort discussing a car that doesn't exist?
A Z/28 would be cool, but the ZL1 is the king of the hill.
Have all of you guys owned a Z/28 before, and want to re-live the past?
Obviously you don't get it, and that's OK! You're quite free to let us wallow in whatever we're wallowing in, nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read this forum/threads. Since you don't get it and I'm tired of explaining it to the thousands of non-believers that have come here......See Ya!!
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Old 04-29-2012, 08:24 PM   #78
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CLYDE!.......be nice.
General.....to many reasons not to have a 5th gen. Z/28.
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Old 04-29-2012, 08:35 PM   #79
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Obviously you don't get it, and that's OK! You're quite free to let us wallow in whatever we're wallowing in, nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read this forum/threads. Since you don't get it and I'm tired of explaining it to the thousands of non-believers that have come here......See Ya!!
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Yes be nice.....er.........errrrrrr

He just doesn't understand your and others passion for the venerable Z28. I don't personally feel the same as you but you do know that I respect your passion for this great and historic car. And I wouldn't kick one out of my garage for eating crackers

Hopefully there will be another to capture and fuel the passion for those that haven't had the joyous experience.
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Yes be nice.....er.........errrrrrr

He just doesn't understand your and others passion for the venerable Z28. I don't personally feel the same as you but you do know that I respect your passion for this great and historic car. And I wouldn't kick one out of my garage for eating crackers

Hopefully there will be another to capture and fuel the passion for those that haven't had the joyous experience.
But I was being nice, I simply stated that he didn't understand and that was OK, I don't go baiting in the SS and ZL1 forums and I would appreciate the same courtesy here.
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Old 04-29-2012, 08:46 PM   #81
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But I was being nice, I simply stated that he didn't understand and that was OK, I don't go baiting in the SS and ZL1 forums and I would appreciate the same courtesy here.
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A more than fair request
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Old 04-29-2012, 09:03 PM   #82
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But I was being nice, I simply stated that he didn't understand and that was OK, I don't go baiting in the SS and ZL1 forums and I would appreciate the same courtesy here.
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Exactly. They hit n' run. They ask, but don't want an answer...they're...Trolls.
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I'm not a troll, I'm a camaro guy.
I'm just wondering why you guys are so dedicated and spend so much time and effort discussing a car that doesn't exist?
A Z/28 would be cool, but the ZL1 is the king of the hill.
Have all of you guys owned a Z/28 before, and want to re-live the past?
Yes, yes, and yes....LOL. we are 6 OG's...., and a few younger guys that get it..., any follow up questions about why will be answered with yes....any problem with that? Is it not our perogative?
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For those interested in the implications of losing weight, vehicle-wise, there's a great read in the new June '12 issue of Automobile Magazine outlining the measures taken with the Benz 550SL. Torsional Rigidity up 20%, 165 added lb. of safety engineering, 275 lb. NET LOSS in Curb Weight while growing in size and adding a twin-turbo V8...

Answer? Only 8% of the structure is STEEL, and that is largely HSS in the windshield frame and its support system.

Weight can disappear, but it won't leave with an inexpensive result.
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I gotta give you guys this.
You're hardcore about a Z/28.
Hopefully they make you one, and you can stop dreaming.
I'd never wandered int the Z/28 area before, and was just asking what all the fuss was about whan the car doesn't exist.
I'll leave you to yourselves.
I really do hope they make you one.
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