Watch the Lingenfelter Camaro ZL1 Topping 200 MPH!

[c4maroboy]

200mph...is fast....lol

[GearBangr]

Originally Posted by capnkirk52

Uh.. 444 hp/3600lb is gonna lose to a 426hp/4200lb car? Not negative, I just can't spin the numbers to work how you want them to.

Its more like 444hp 380tq/36xxlb. Vs. 426hp 420tq/38xxlb
The nissan gtr and corvette zr1 have wide gaps in power vs weight but perform very close to each other.

I think it'll be close between the boss and 1le.

[SSSylentZL1]

The GT500 will not be bone stock. It will have aftermarket parts to make it go this fast. Ford is just saying that the car will do 200 bonestock in order to increase the publicity of this car. I guarantee when you lift the hood of the GT500 it will not be what Ford normally has under the hood

[SlingShot]

Originally Posted by capnkirk52

Uh.. 444 hp/3600lb is gonna lose to a 426hp/4200lb car? Not negative, I just can't spin the numbers to work how you want them to.

Since when did the SS gain so much weight ... For guys that care about numbers so much, yours are way off ...

[JimmyDeanSausage]

Originally Posted by SSSylentZL1

The GT500 will not be bone stock. It will have aftermarket parts to make it go this fast. Ford is just saying that the car will do 200 bonestock in order to increase the publicity of this car. I guarantee when you lift the hood of the GT500 it will not be what Ford normally has under the hood

With the Z06 doing 198, and the GT500 having 157 more horsepower to make up for the worse aero, I don't see why the GT500 wouldn't be able to do 4 mph faster. Guaranteeing that'll it needs mods to do so seems like wishful thinking on your part.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by Browneye

The ZL-1, Like dating a hot chick on welfare.......

Thank you for posting.

[SlingShot]

Originally Posted by Browneye

The ZL-1, Like dating a hot chick on welfare.......

Are you trying to say, like your sister, it has no teeth ?

[edz10ss]

WOW! cool video, I cant wait to get a ZL1. Dont know if ill ever have the chance to get it to 200mph. but id love to try in the right spot.lol

[capnkirk52]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

Since when did the SS gain so much weight ... For guys that care about numbers so much, yours are way off ...

Yep. I was wrong. It might be a little bit closer race now. I'm a bit more interested in it now.

[roorback]

The ZL-1 is first so it's top dog. Ford will raise the stakes of stock performance. The two will continue to go back and forth so let's not render a verdict before all the cards are played.

If Ford doesn't hit 200 it is because it is ridiculously hard to do. It takes an amazing bump in HP to gain MPH when you pass 175. I don't think people realize how hard it really is.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by roorback

The ZL-1 is first so it's top dog. Ford will raise the stakes of stock performance. The two will continue to go back and forth so let's not render a verdict before all the cards are played.

If Ford doesn't hit 200 it is because it is ridiculously hard to do. It takes an amazing bump in HP to gain MPH when you pass 175. I don't think people realize how hard it really is.

First in what way?

[roorback]

Originally Posted by motorhead

First in what way?

For real dude? It came out before Ford.


Can discussions be had here without winner and losers?

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by roorback

For real dude? It came out before Ford.


Can discussions be had here without winner and losers?

Well not really the GT500 has been built since 2007. It took GM six years to bring out it's competitor. I thought you might have been talking about the first to 200 MPH. which isn't really true either since it was a highly modified car that did it.

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by Browneye

On the contrary, it doesn’t take much to get them to put out!

Hmmm...don't know if that would constitute a compliment or insult

[roorback]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Well not really the GT500 has been built since 2007. It took GM six years to bring out it's competitor. I thought you might have been talking about the first to 200 MPH. which isn't really true either since it was a highly modified car that did it.

The new Ford dude. The one mentioned in the video and the post. That one isn't out yet.

I quit.

And you know part of the delay with Gm was the whole plant deal in Canadia. It wasn't necessarily that GM wanted to wait 6 years to bring the camaro back.

Just sit back and enjoy the HP wars. For us youngins it's like being alive in the late 60's

[adamgl]

Originally Posted by motorhead

No I'm not taking from GM or Ford. I'm taking real world facts ,and the question I ask was about down force and aerodynamics of the two cars because there seems to be a lot of people on here claiming that one has more than the other.

I not looking for an argument here. I'm looking for the facts.

Originally Posted by motorhead

Okay, So show me "facts" that GM or Ford released comparing the Down force and aerodynamics of the ZL1 and 2013 GT500. It's a simple question. Why is everyone making it so hard? There are many on here that seem to know the comparison. I just want to know their source.

I drove my 2010 SS to 160 mph, it was a little "floaty" at the front.

Chevy measured the weight of the SS and ZL1 at 150 mph airspeed in a wind tunnel. The SS had 200 lbs of lift on it, which by my experience is noticeable. The ZL1 had 65 lbs of downforce at that speed, or a 265 lb difference between the models.

The numbers can't get any clearer than that for the ZL1.

What does a 2011 or 12 GT500 feel like at 150 mph? Ford claims a 1/3 improvement for the 2013. But they didn't want to add too much drag and limit top speed.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...-gt500-feature

The GT500 probably has less drag than the ZL1, but not as much downforce. Seems to me they made the choice to hit 200 mph and less drag gets them there. Chevy went the other way and added a lot of aero parts to get that extra 265 lbs of downforce for road coarse handling. Two different design principles.
The most accurate answer would have to come from a similar test from ford or anyone else with a wind tunnel and a GT500.

[htron50]

Originally Posted by adamgl

I drove my 2010 SS to 160 mph, it was a little "floaty" at the front.

Chevy measured the weight of the SS and ZL1 at 150 mph airspeed in a wind tunnel. The SS had 200 lbs of lift on it, which by my experience is noticeable. The ZL1 had 65 lbs of downforce at that speed, or a 265 lb difference between the models.

The numbers can't get any clearer than that for the ZL1.

What does a 2011 or 12 GT500 feel like at 150 mph? Ford claims a 1/3 improvement for the 2013. But they didn't want to add too much drag and limit top speed.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...-gt500-feature

The GT500 probably has less drag than the ZL1, but not as much downforce. Seems to me they made the choice to hit 200 mph and less drag gets them there. Chevy went the other way and added a lot of aero parts to get that extra 265 lbs of downforce for road coarse handling. Two different design principles.
The most accurate answer would have to come from a similar test from ford or anyone else with a wind tunnel and a GT500.

You're so right! No Disrespect, All the folks driving the SECRETARY's CAR (Carroll Shelby's adjective for Mustang) are trying to REDEFINE IT..... But it will never be able to. It's just the way it is... no matter how hard they try. It's a fast car when its modded... but... it is what it is. Not my cup o tea, sorry. Again, No disrespect meant either. It's just not a MEAN LOOKIN Muscle Machine like the Camaro. Regardless of facts, figures, claims. You can make a GREMLIN go fast..... but.... WHY?

(sorry mods, but some of these trolls are just getting out of hand!)... hope I don't upset anyone.

[HPT BANDIT]

Originally Posted by roorback

The ZL-1 is first so it's top dog. Ford will raise the stakes of stock performance. The two will continue to go back and forth so let's not render a verdict before all the cards are played.

If Ford doesn't hit 200 it is because it is ridiculously hard to do. It takes an amazing bump in HP to gain MPH when you pass 175. I don't think people realize how hard it really is.

Your compairing a moded car that ran 200 mph to a stock car that does 200 mph. If youre trying to say the zl1 is the first to run 200mph, Revan racing already built a super snake that ran over 200 mph at the Texas mile.

[SlingShot]

Originally Posted by HPT BANDIT

Your compairing a moded car that ran 200 mph to a stock car that does 200 mph. If youre trying to say the zl1 is the first to run 200mph, Revan racing already built a super snake that ran over 200 mph at the Texas mile.

The topic not the post was about the Super Snake, it was and is between the ZL1 and the my13 GT500. So far the speed of the GT500 is just theory that I know of, I don't believe there has been one to actually do it or if it has, where is the proof ...

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by htron50

You're so right! No Disrespect, All the folks driving the SECRETARY's CAR (Carroll Shelby's adjective for Mustang) are trying to REDEFINE IT..... But it will never be able to. It's just the way it is... no matter how hard they try. It's a fast car when its modded... but... it is what it is. Not my cup o tea, sorry. Again, No disrespect meant either. It's just not a MEAN LOOKIN Muscle Machine like the Camaro. Regardless of facts, figures, claims. You can make a GREMLIN go fast..... but.... WHY?

(sorry mods, but some of these trolls are just getting out of hand!)... hope I don't upset anyone.

...remember that AMC commercial where the kid had the car in the driveway with a blower sticking out from the hood with a roll cage and harness as I recall and the dad asked him what did he do to the car?.....and he responded like it wasn't much.....

[HPT BANDIT]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

The topic not the post was about the Super Snake, it was and is between the ZL1 and the my13 GT500. So far the speed of the GT500 is just theory that I know of, I don't believe there has been one to actually do it or if it has, where is the proof ...

Actually this is about a LPE ZL1. A tunner car being compared to a stock car

Your still comparing a stock car to a modded car. Modded cars have already run 200mph. As for the 2013 Gt500, I'm not worried if it runs 200 mph. But if it does run it stock with less hp than a modded ZL1, people will jump to the "It's a track car with too much downforce" excuse and back peddle. If it runs close but falls short by a few mph, you will say "See, I told you it couldn't run 200 mph haha, ZL1 is faster". Yes a modded ZL1 will be faster than a stock GT500. How will that be a major victory for the ZL1? You're not breaking new ground. It's already been done before. Once you start modding, all bets are off.

I think Ford will make sure it runs 200mph. It's a big advertising point for them and because of that, stupid people will try and do it on the road and end up getting someone killed. If the ZL1 advertised 200mph stock, people would do the same in it.

[b4z]

Running high speeds is not just about aero(coefficient of drag) but also about frontal area.
A car with wide tires, a body that is wider and taller is going to be more difficult to push to 200.
.36 cd. and .36 cd. Are rarely equal in efficiency unless they are badge engineered.

Corvettes get great hwy gas mileage not just because they are aerodynamic and fairly light, because they don't have much frontal area.

[LeviG]

Originally Posted by JimmyDeanSausage

With the Z06 doing 198, and the GT500 having 157 more horsepower to make up for the worse aero, I don't see why the GT500 wouldn't be able to do 4 mph faster. Guaranteeing that'll it needs mods to do so seems like wishful thinking on your part.

Hang on, hang on. Did you just make the mistake of comparing a Mustang to a Corvette?? LOL

How much less does the Corvette weigh than the Mustang? I dont know right off hand, but your answer will almost definately be the weight difference. And also, as it has been previously discussed in this very forum, aerodynamics makes a HUGE difference at speeds this high. So I dont think another 157 HP will make up for the disparing lack of aerodynamics of the Mustang vs, the Corvette. The Corvette is a wedge, the Mustang is a brick.

[SUX2BU]

Originally Posted by HPT BANDIT

Actually this is about a LPE ZL1. A tunner car being compared to a stock car

Your still comparing a stock car to a modded car. Modded cars have already run 200mph. As for the 2013 Gt500, I'm not worried if it runs 200 mph. But if it does run it stock with less hp than a modded ZL1, people will jump to the "It's a track car with too much downforce" excuse and back peddle. If it runs close but falls short by a few mph, you will say "See, I told you it couldn't run 200 mph haha, ZL1 is faster". Yes a modded ZL1 will be faster than a stock GT500. How will that be a major victory for the ZL1? You're not breaking new ground. It's already been done before. Once you start modding, all bets are off.

I think Ford will make sure it runs 200mph. It's a big advertising point for them and because of that, stupid people will try and do it on the road and end up getting someone killed. If the ZL1 advertised 200mph stock, people would do the same in it.

So it isn't amazing that an 835 hp car can run 200 mph? LOL

[LeviG]

Originally Posted by JimmyDeanSausage

So you're fighting trolling with trolling?

This is our (Camaro fans) forum, not yours (Mustake fans), so he's not trolling. Unlike you