Price Gouging Dealers

[autopat]

Freeway Chevrolet, in Tempe, AZ. was adding a $10,000 "Market adjustment" to the MSRP of all new Camaros for the entire first year they were available. I'm sure they haven't changed their practice for the ragtop either! They also refuse to sell option 1 GMS (out of stock, GM employee pricing, which does not take from their allocation), on almost anything. They even told me they wouldn't order me a vehicle at GMS, at that point I said "no problem, I can order GMS from any GM dealer" and walked out. Shady place!

[OhioGuy89]

Originally Posted by autopat

Freeway Chevrolet, in Tempe, AZ. was adding a $10,000 "Market adjustment" to the MSRP of all new Camaros for the entire first year they were available. I'm sure they haven't changed their practice for the ragtop either! They also refuse to sell option 1 GMS (out of stock, GM employee pricing, which does not take from their allocation), on almost anything. They even told me they wouldn't order me a vehicle at GMS, at that point I said "no problem, I can order GMS from any GM dealer" and walked out. Shady place!

So they are adding 10k onto all Camaros?!? How are they going to stay in business???

[BowtieBelle]

Fayetteville Autopark in Fayetteville, AR marked all of their Camaros up $5k over MSRP when they came out, too. Ludicrous.

[VenomInside]

I hate Market Adjustment. If it truely was, they would subtract 5k because the market is that crappy.

I remember when I had worked at pontiac back when the GTO's first came out (2004 ls1's). They wanted 15k over sticker. I laughed and said, "I guess they would make great paper weights outside on the lawn."

They assured me they would sell. One year later, they were still on the lot.

[Moelack]

Dealer Name: Chevrolet of Montebello
Dealer location: Montebello, California
Dealer phone number: (877) 844-9245
Dealer website: http://www.chevroletofmontebello.com/HomePage

Ask for Max. I buy all my cars from him, best salesman I've ever encountered. He'll give everything to you straight, no BS like how it should be. Thanks to him I'll be having my 2012 2SS/RS 45th coming from the factory by the end of the month, right on time just like he told me.

[SummoneR]

Originally Posted by Moelack

Dealer Name: Chevrolet of Montebello
Dealer location: Montebello, California
Dealer phone number: (877) 844-9245
Dealer website: http://www.chevroletofmontebello.com/HomePage

Ask for Max. I buy all my cars from him, best salesman I've ever encountered. He'll give everything to you straight, no BS like how it should be. Thanks to him I'll be having my 2012 2SS/RS 45th coming from the factory by the end of the month, right on time just like he told me.

Wrong thread. This is for price gouging dealers.

[partymn]

The average reginal mark up in Hawaii is 10K for these cars. I finally bought my Camaro yesterday and the dealer had a Shelby Mustang 350 Cobra on the show room floor with a 25K mark up. They told me that they have a;ready sold 2 of those cars for 101K a piece.

No matter what the mark up is, there is always someone that is going to buy it. For a person like me that wants the best deal possible, it makes it really difficult to find what you are looking for. The looking is over now, thank god.

[1BADZL1]

Virginia Pohanka Chevy YOU SUXK!

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179684

[GQ4Life]

Originally Posted by RYol5wD

i understand the markup. i dislike it but hey, its america, but nobody will turn down straight cash, will they?
i understand the markup. i dislike it but hey, its america, but nobody will turn down straight cash, will they?

No but dealers make more money off of financing

[Captain_Leo]

Dealer Name: Columbia Chevrolet
Dealer location: 9750 Montgomery Rd Cincinnati, OH 45242
Dealer phone number: (877) 681-7885
Dealer website: http://www.columbiachev.com/

The initial prices aren't really jacked up too bad, but they will pull every single slimy sales trick in the book. To hear I won't pay more than invoice was the tipping point, as two salesmen basically became VERY angry.

Here's what I wrote on Edmunds.com about them:

5 Reason to AVOID Columbia Chevrolet
1- A salesman will lie to you that he has the car you're looking for, just to get you to the dealership. When you realize this, he will pull a "ohh I thought you wanted the V8!"
2- Another salesman will push standard sales tactics down your throat and then the moment you tell him you won't buy that day, he will start cleaning his desk. If you had kind of spoken a price with him, and now ask him to give it to you in writing, he will start complaining about how you'll take his paper to the next dealership and they'll beat him by a $100.
3- A salesperson actually mocked me for filling out the online quote request found here at Edmunds.com that asks quotes from every dealer in X mile radius. You can also tell he will be VERY sour from the fact that you are capable of using the internet.
4- As soon as they realize you have half a brain and looked up invoice pricing, both of these employees will turn really really angry, unfriendly, and passive-aggressive. The fact that you want to make an informed decision will be faced with all of them literally walking away from you and you standing by yourself by their empty desks.
5- Even though I have spent 30+ minutes in that dealership on multiple occasions, the "boss" never once came over to speak to me. He was only contacted when the sales guys went to ask him about prices. The only time I spoke to him, which is when I decided to approach him, he kept sitting in his chair, did not shake my hand and had a very angry tone.

I hope after seeing this, they won't be able to act so rude anymore. Take your business elsewhere, these guys sure don't deserve it!

[mikey8]

I haven't visited this thread for over a year and a half. I'm shocked that dealers are still trying to pull this shit.

[880]

Porter Chevrolet
Newark, DE
302-453-6800
www.porterchevy.net

Roberts Chevrolet
Downington, PA
610-269-8200
www.robertschevy.com

Diver Chevrolet
Wilmington, DE
302-575-0161
www.diverchev.com

Nucar Chevrolet
New Castle, DE
302-322-2438
www.nucarchev.com

[880]

hahahahahahah this guy is an idiot

Originally Posted by camaro33

And i guess i dont either because im taking the time to respond to this load of crap each and everyone of you are spreading all over the net about price gouging. oh my hevans say it aint so some dealers are charging 5-even 10k over sticker for camaros. In the world of commision sales thats how we make money / by having you pay more. Its called capitalism. It's the american way. Have you ever tried to go into your local grocery and talk them down on their prices. Thats retail just like selling cars but someone along the way got this great idea to start discounting them it spread like wild fire now all you hear is " i want the best deal " ( " What's Your best price and ill compare" ). Huh WTF i cant go to your place of business and talk you down on price, so why is my price so important. If you're looking to buy a $40,000 car and i want $42,500 for it and you just can't muster up the extra 2500 or $47.00 monthly then i gues you just can't afford it. With that being said keep your opinions to yourself . It's not called gouging its call making aliving because we sell what you want. oh and please respond all you would like to, just remeber tell your department stores that you want a better deal then sticker let me know how far that really gets you

Signed Veteran Salesperson

[calbert1999]

I purchased my SS in 2010 for less than MSRP, at a few bucks more than dealer cost. Basically, I did not run into the dealership like a 20yr. old that just saved up for 10yrs. to buy a dream car my daddy had when I was nothing more than a nut buster.

Took my time, gathered all the cost / price details and made my case for why they should just take a few bucks to do the paperwork.
Once I showed them the facts on paper I obtained from the APA, they sold me the car for what I wanted to pay, happily.

The problem is most people get all ZL1 hyped up excited, and get burnt because they're afraid of walking away from the deal because they want instant satisfaction and bragging rights.
Just walk away, and wait a few more weeks then go back and make a deal.

I waited until the dealer had an SS on the lot to test drive, then I took 2mos. to make a deal with them, after I did all my research and got the APA to provide all the cost / price facts.

The art of negotiation is being in a position of strength, as a consumer you have the upper hand right away, but without the facts in hand you don't know where to start negotiations. Get the facts, and you'll get what you want for what you want to pay.

[VenomInside]

Originally Posted by camaro33

And i guess i dont either because im taking the time to respond to this load of crap each and everyone of you are spreading all over the net about price gouging. oh my hevans say it aint so some dealers are charging 5-even 10k over sticker for camaros. In the world of commision sales thats how we make money / by having you pay more. Its called capitalism. It's the american way. Have you ever tried to go into your local grocery and talk them down on their prices. Thats retail just like selling cars but someone along the way got this great idea to start discounting them it spread like wild fire now all you hear is " i want the best deal " ( " What's Your best price and ill compare" ). Huh WTF i cant go to your place of business and talk you down on price, so why is my price so important. If you're looking to buy a $40,000 car and i want $42,500 for it and you just can't muster up the extra 2500 or $47.00 monthly then i gues you just can't afford it. With that being said keep your opinions to yourself . It's not called gouging its call making aliving because we sell what you want. oh and please respond all you would like to, just remeber tell your department stores that you want a better deal then sticker let me know how far that really gets you

Signed Veteran Salesperson

[Cdagesse]

Are these a list of good or bad dealers? or just dealers?

Originally Posted by 880

Porter Chevrolet
Newark, DE
302-453-6800
www.porterchevy.net

Roberts Chevrolet
Downington, PA
610-269-8200
www.robertschevy.com

Diver Chevrolet
Wilmington, DE
302-575-0161
www.diverchev.com

Nucar Chevrolet
New Castle, DE
302-322-2438
www.nucarchev.com

[AmericanMuscles]

http://www.capitolchevysj.com/index.htm
Sales rep giving wrong prices talked for 2weeks to 3 different sales rep.
promised $37.7k OTD. called back 4 hours later to confirmed with dealer they changed
options saying " oh no no that was not including the taxes and fees, after calculation its going to be $41k total.
first visit horrible place. the good sales reps has quit already.

[880]

Originally Posted by Cdagesse

Are these a list of good or bad dealers? or just dealers?

This was posted in the Price Gouging Dealers thread so THEY ALL SUCK.

[HalinSS]

Midway Chevrolet
Phoenix, Az
10k markup on ZL1 sitting at dealer

[United_727]

Originally Posted by HalinSS

Midway Chevrolet
Phoenix, Az
10k markup on ZL1 sitting at dealer

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...nal&listType=1

[ZL1#891]

Gilchrist Chevrolet!
Traded in my fully optioned 2010 2SS/RS. they made money. Bought a GMC Terrain..They made money. Ordered my ZL1 they made a lot of money!

When I ordered my ZL1 I asked if they had a mark-up on it and I was told NO. So I ordered the car, got the build sheet with the price on it with options....Now when I went to sign the papers for it they tacked on 5K to the price. they said it would have been 10K mark-up but I was a repeat customer. WOW, dont do me any favors. My beef is that I had an agreed price on the build sheet but they wont honor it. furthermore, the salesman that wrote up the build sheet no longer works there. I went above the new salesman and contacted the owner of the dealership and he stands behind the mark-up. they wont budge. Im sure it is because they have 5 people right behind me ready to pay the price for the ZL1. its sold no matter what.

[pincoin]

Originally Posted by ZL1#891

Gilchrist Chevrolet!
Traded in my fully optioned 2010 2SS/RS. they made money. Bought a GMC Terrain..They made money. Ordered my ZL1 they made a lot of money!

When I ordered my ZL1 I asked if they had a mark-up on it and I was told NO. So I ordered the car, got the build sheet with the price on it with options....Now when I went to sign the papers for it they tacked on 5K to the price. they said it would have been 10K mark-up but I was a repeat customer. WOW, dont do me any favors. My beef is that I had an agreed price on the build sheet but they wont honor it. furthermore, the salesman that wrote up the build sheet no longer works there. I went above the new salesman and contacted the owner of the dealership and he stands behind the mark-up. they wont budge. Im sure it is because they have 5 people right behind me ready to pay the price for the ZL1. its sold no matter what.

I'd have to tell them to stick it. ZL1's will be plentiful soon.

[Envious]

MSRP means Manufacture Suggested Retail Price. So if a person pays less then MSRP, why should a dealer not charge over MSRP? It's the law of supply and demand. The price is what the market will bare.
Remember when the iPhone came out, everyone that purchased on paid MSRP, but a year later some of the cell company's are giving them away with a 2 year contract?

[jmaynard]

You guys need to get some facts before posting. From dictionary.com: means to extort from, swindle, or overcharge. Problem is, you are stopping at that definition. Yo also need to look up suggested (to mention or introduce (an idea, proposition, plan, etc.) for consideration or possible action). This is the second word in MSRP (manufacturers SUGGESTED retail price. Perhaps is we stopped using MSRP as a word and identified it as an abbreviation more people would understand.

You and I do not set the price of a vehicle. The manufacturer does NOT set the price of a vehicle. They do SUGGEST a fair price for the vehicle given the factors they are aware of. They charge the dealership some number below this price and the dealer buys it. The DEALER then sets the price; any price they want. How would you like it if someone told you how much you could sell something you owen for? How would you like it if you set a price you thought fair, given market condition, and you were called out for gouging. You do not have to purchase a car from anyone in particular and are free to shop any dealer of your liking just as they are allowed to charge whatever they want. That is the basic and inalienable right established by our founding fathers. Dont like paying more than the manufacturer thinks ther car is worth, DONT BUY IT or find it somewhere else. This is how a fair market works. Dont like that, move to Europe where the government sets the price for everything.

[fcu678]

I was in N/W Atlanta a couple weeks ago at the F-body Gathering and we stopped by a local dealer that had 2 - 2012 ZL1's on the lot. 1 was black and 1 was Ashen Gray. Both were at MSRP PLUS a 20k market adjustment. 78k & 81k.
At that price they'll be sitting there for a while