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Old 05-28-2012, 03:10 AM   #2101
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I think the GT500 and the Zr1 are tight competition.. based off of numbers of course.

I just hope the GT500 holds a better value than the Zr1. Its really upsetting to see those $120,000 corvettes going for $75,000 2 years later.
ZR1 and GT500 tight competition... LMAO..

and you hope the GT500 holds its value better, but you're upset about the ZR1 values... at least you're in the right thread..

(show me a 2 year old ZR1 for 75K...)
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Old 05-28-2012, 03:15 AM   #2102
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It's insane to put a whole lot of value in the top speed number of a car, given you'd need a mile or two to reach it, yes I agree...

This thread is burning a hole in my network....

On the list of reasons why I would potentially buy a gt500 over a ZL1, the 200 mph top speed is dead last on the list.
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Old 05-28-2012, 03:21 AM   #2103
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ZR1 and GT500 tight competition... LMAO..

and you hope the GT500 holds its value better, but you're upset about the ZR1 values... at least you're in the right thread..

(show me a 2 year old ZR1 for 75K...)

This wasn't too hard.

http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-...sting=36345069

http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-...sting=38321890
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Old 05-28-2012, 04:03 AM   #2105
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LOL.. one out of two is isn't bad... a smoking deal can be had on any car and a one year car w/ a ton of miles...

Try ALL of them on Auto Trader... and you'll see 2 year old ZR1's aren't going for 75k all day long... upper 80's to low 90's is more like it
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...erivedpriceASC
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Old 05-28-2012, 07:05 AM   #2106
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The fact that a GT500 can hit 200mph is interesting, but I don't think I would have the sphinctor strengh to take a Mustang or a Camaro to those speeds. Which would be easier to clean, the Recaros or the suede?
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Old 05-28-2012, 07:24 AM   #2107
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The fact that a GT500 can hit 200mph is interesting, but I don't think I would have the sphictor strengh to take a Mustang or a Camaro to those speeds. Which would be easier to clean, the Recaros or the suede?
Doing 200 in a stock body Fox Mustang coupe will clear your colon!!
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Old 05-28-2012, 07:33 AM   #2108
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Camaro5 has a reputation for intolerance. I've been warned twice for "petty comments".

That said, do you have an engineering degree?

I would think Dynojet would disagree with our assesment.
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Old 05-28-2012, 07:54 AM   #2109
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Please, go look up SAE Certified. The Ford GT was not - the GT500 is. As for Dyno's....holy cow....dude, they are a tuning tool, and when used for their primary purpose (tuning), the Mustang dyno is actually more useful than inertia dynos.

Finally....accurately calculating BHP off of RWHP is simply not possible. Way too many variables.
From what I have read the document for certification is very long and vey complex.

And you are wrong about your comments about chassis dynos from every point.

1.) It is a Mustang Dyno that is the most inaccurate because the operator has to enter in variables such as weight of the car. Then you have an eddy flow current motor trying to match an engine accelerating plus loss of power from inertia. Sorry, the numbers I see posted form Mustang dynos are pure BS, all over the map and some even bordering The Twight Light Zone.

2.) So, if an engineer is designing a machine to process a product and he has a requirement for X-amount of HP. He specs out a combustion engine or an electric motor and fits it to a gear box then he does not know what HP and torque is coming out of the gear box? Give me a break. The chassis dyno can be looked at as a machine processing a product.

3.) An inertia dyno has the Laws of Physics on it's side. Not some logical controller programmed by some dumbass simply trying to get a set of numers he thinks is accurate.

4.) This is from the Kenne Bell Tech forum on SVTPerformance written by Kenne Bell themselves. This test is an "Engine Dyno versus a Dynojet". All numbers remarkebly close to 15%.

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...rip-tests.html

5.) An owner on SVTPerformance just posted the numbers for his 2013 at 614 rwhp SAE. Do you honestly believe that car only lost 48 HP thru the drive train? That is a 7% loss. Dang, Ford sure is good at building an efficient drive train and overcoming the Laws of Physics. Maybe it's that carbon fiber drive shaft. Yeah, that shaved 8% off the drive train loss. That means that DS would have to have removed about 50% of the weight from the drive train. Um, no.

6.) Drag testing will prove I am right.

7.) After owning a 2003 Cobra and laying claim to the first private dyno sheet posted on the net from a PRIVATE owner and putting up with all the liar allegations and that I swapped the pulley because I removed the pulley cover, well, I think the 2003 Cobra's reputation far exceeds all the DENIALS.
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The fact that a GT500 can hit 200mph is interesting, but I don't think I would have the sphictor strengh to take a Mustang or a Camaro to those speeds. Which would be easier to clean, the Recaros or the suede?
Possibly the best post ever written here. Top speed and Ring times are simply marketing tools. They work and they do give a certain bragging right but IMHO if you haven't beaten 6:51 or 400 kph, really what is there to brag about?
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I was at the grocery store yesterday and I was picking out some apples. I found myself comparing apples to apples, looking for healthy, unbruised fruit. I was a bit surprised that I had to dig so much. Although I can't be certain these apples came from the same tree (problem not) or even the same orchard (maybe?), they still had many differences AND similarities. Although I didn't want any oranges at this particular time, I could have in fact compared my apples to those oranges, once again finding many similarities AND differences. I learned that I could conceivably compare any one thing to any other thing. It just depends on what qualities I choose to place on the compare/contrast list.
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LOL.. one out of two is isn't bad... a smoking deal can be had on any car and a one year car w/ a ton of miles...

Try ALL of them on Auto Trader... and you'll see 2 year old ZR1's aren't going for 75k all day long... upper 80's to low 90's is more like it
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...erivedpriceASC

Well realistically if you noticed the second car is listed at 79K, but had a real value of 75K. Im sure just about anyone would be able to talk that dealership down 4k on a 75k car.


Autotrader is part of Cox is part of Manhiem auto auctions. In other words Autotrader is designed to give people a crappy evaluation of their trade value and give more money to dealerships on their offers. I don't use autotrader for anything other than to find vehicles.
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Old 05-28-2012, 09:13 AM   #2113
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11.8 @ 123 is about the slowest you can make a z06 run.
Couple months ago we a few of us were at the track playing with one of my buddies 2010 Z06 (converted for racing)automatic.
Between 4 of us NO ONE was able to get out of the 12's.

I believe torque managnent was killing us that night, when launching the car would take off and fall flat on it's face.

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Old 05-28-2012, 09:31 AM   #2114
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Over on SVTPerformance, they are making the new GT500 out to be a ZR1 competitor. Apparently the Z06 isn't enough.
just like how the 5.0 was going to beat a c5 zo6


i'm going to go on record and say that there will never be a completely bone stock '13 gt500 run a 10.66, and c6 z06 will still take it from a roll.
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Couple months ago we a few of us were at the track playing with one of my buddies 2010 Z06 automatic.Between 4 of us NO ONE was able to get out of the 12's.

I believe torque managnent was killing us that night, when launching the car would take off and fall flat on it's face.
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Couple months ago we a few of us were at the track playing with one of my buddies 2010 Z06 automatic.
Between 4 of us NO ONE was able to get out of the 12's.

I believe torque managnent was killing us that night, when launching the car would take off and fall flat on it's face.

hmmm.....

was it a convertible too?
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I believe torque managnent was killing us that night, when launching the car would take off and fall flat on it's face.
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Couple months ago we a few of us were at the track playing with one of my buddies 2010 Z06 automatic.

What....HUH??? WAIT!!!
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Couple months ago we a few of us were at the track playing with one of my buddies 2010 Z06 automatic.Between 4 of us NO ONE was able to get out of the 12's.

I believe torque managnent was killing us that night, when launching the car would take off and fall flat on it's face.
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It's insane to put a whole lot of value in the top speed number of a car, given you'd need a mile or two to reach it, yes I agree...

This thread is burning a hole in my network....
So you're inferring that this thread is worthless?

That's a cute little move to take the emphasis off the fact that the GT500 still does 200+ MPH, and the only GM vehicle capable of that is the ZR1, which costs twice as much.


As for the bolded comment, last time I checked on your front page you had a video of the ZL1 modified, doing 200 MPH. So I guess there is value in regards to top speed...

I don't care if it takes 2 miles to hit 200 mph, how long does it take the ZR1 to do so? I'll put my money on it being at least 1.25 miles.

The fact of the matter is the GT500 does it. That's a Mustang going 200 MPH with the window sticker still in place. If you don't think that's impressive then you're a stone cold fanboy.
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It's insane to put a whole lot of value in the top speed number of a car, given you'd need a mile or two to reach it, yes I agree...

This thread is burning a hole in my network....
that's really all they have with this car.
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Couple months ago we a few of us were at the track playing with one of my buddies 2010 Z06 automatic.Between 4 of us NO ONE was able to get out of the 12's.

I believe torque managnent was killing us that night, when launching the car would take off and fall flat on it's face.
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hmmm.....

was it a convertible too?
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He edited it to state that it was converted.
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that's really all they have with this car.
Lol you people are as bad as those guys you complain about
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He edited it to state that it was converted.
yeah he screwed up on his lie then did some googling is what happened.
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I believe torque managnent was killing us that night, when launching the car would take off and fall flat on it's face.
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yeah he screwed up on his lie then did some googling is what happened.
Ok dude whatever makes you feel better.
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Ok dude whatever makes you feel better.
i guess you're right. that factory torque mamagement in an z06 with an auto converted for racing is always a bugger.
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i guess you're right. that factory torque mamagement in an z06 with an auto converted for racing is always a bugger.
So because he made a mistake and you along with most of this forum have blinders on he's a liar.? I'm sure that if you ever read any of his posts he's probably one of the few on here that doesn't feel he needs to make shit up.
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