So the 5.0's are faster; Then whats with this comparison?

[grocerygetter]

I will say I like my auto camaro better...but I like a manual 5.0 better than a manual camaro.

[Bob Cosby]

Prior year Mustang auto's did indeed leave a LOT to be desired (especially the 2004 and earlier models), but the 5.0 versions are generally every bit as quick as the M6 cars.

[joey0480]

Originally Posted by jimbone

100% factory stock 2011+ automatic 5.0's have gone 12.3x.

http://www.modularfords.com/f259/12-...t-auto-168149/

I didn't see a timeslip in that thread.....but there is a timeslip in one that ran a 12.7. Needless to say, they are quick stock.

[Black5thgen]

Originally Posted by lexlueger

5.0's are only faster to the bench racing fanboys. DRIVERS RACE anyway you slice it...

If you can get the SS to put the power down it's a drivers race. It's a lot easier to hook the Mustangs lighter weight and solid axle at the track. I could only muster a 1.9 60' with out breaking anything where as the bolt-on mustangs were pulling 1.6's with ease. I MPH'd higher but ran about 3/10 slower. It's all in the launch. Weight and IRS aren't a good combo for a low 60'.

[MEDISIN]

Every forum seems to have a "fast-list" and most "hero-runs" are virtually identical between the two. The head-to-head comparisons were very similar although the MT run was the outlier. Road & Track got to 120mph a full second faster in the SS although the GT beat it by a tenth around Willow Springs. For a starting price around $31k these cars are remarkable.

Motor Trend: GT 12.7 sec @ 111.3 mph, SS 13.1 sec @ 110.8 mph
Car and Driver: GT 13.2 sec @ 109 mph, SS 13.0 sec @ 111 mph
Road & Track: GT 13.2 sec @ 109.3 mph, SS 13.0 sec @ 110.7 mph (0-120 mph: GT 16.4 sec, SS 15.4 sec), Willow Springs Lap: GT 1:37.6, SS 1:37.7)
Inside Line: GT 13.3 sec @ 107.3 mph, SS 13.1 sec @ 110.4 mph

[matt55]

Hello over 2 years ago .
5.0 's are faster, less weight same whp -/+.

[big hammer]

ls3's and 5.0's are alot closer than the mustang guys like to admit.

[Deki]

Originally Posted by big hammer

ls3's and 5.0's are alot closer than the mustang guys like to admit.

X2.

[DavidW]

Originally Posted by grocerygetter

I will say I like my auto camaro better...but I like a manual 5.0 better than a manual camaro.

I have read reviews about the transmission and clutch not being very good in the ls3's.
I have not driven a manual 5.0 I did drive an ls3 camaro I didn't really notice anything wrong with the clutch/transmission, then again I don't have much to compare it to the only other standard vehicle I have driven that was close to the camaro from a performance standpoint was my bolt on/tuned cobalt SS turbo (260hp/300tq at the wheels)
But the general consensus among reviewers seems to be that the mustang clutch and transmission are way ahead of the Camaro.

[Nessal]

Originally Posted by DavidW

I have read reviews about the transmission and clutch not being very good in the ls3's.
I have not driven a manual 5.0 I did drive an ls3 camaro I didn't really notice anything wrong with the clutch/transmission, then again I don't have much to compare it to the only other standard vehicle I have driven that was close to the camaro from a performance standpoint was my bolt on/tuned cobalt SS turbo (260hp/300tq at the wheels)
But the general consensus among reviewers seems to be that the mustang clutch and transmission are way ahead of the Camaro.

You should head over to the mustang forums and read about all the transmission problems they have. Both cars have transmission problems and it's completely UNACCEPTABLE.

[Logan1234]

Originally Posted by matt55

Hello over 2 years ago .
5.0 's are faster, less weight same whp -/+.

+1

I have a 2012 SS and my wife has a 2011 5.0... when I'm in 3rd at the track, she is in 4th (3.73 gears), and she walks right by me.

Stock Power/Weight = Advantage 5.0

[E.T.]

Yeah, but what happens when you put 3.73 gears in the Camaro?

[Logan1234]

Originally Posted by E.T.

Yeah, but what happens when you put 3.73 gears in the Camaro?

It will make things closer but a 5.0 that weighs 3650 will still have an advantage over a camaro that weighs 3850 when they both make the same rwhp.

[2012 Mustang GT]

And the gearing in the MT for the mustang is crazy close. But the mustang with the 3.73 gears is actually slower in the 1/4 mile becuse you will have an extra shift into 5th around 1000ft.
The Camaro is extremely close with the 5.0, if the 5.0 gets a clean launch on the pathetic tires it will win. Thats the hardest part of launching my car. if i can get a 2.0 60ft then i run 12.70's to 12.80 all day. The stock 245/45/19 just cant get off the line great

[L99CAMA2011]

Originally Posted by Logan1234

It will make things closer but a 5.0 that weighs 3650 will still have an advantage over a camaro that weighs 3850 when they both make the same rwhp.

Buddy your Camaro is really a little slower because you have bigger, heavier wheels, the GT doesn't. Simply changing your wheels to lighter rims and tires with more grip will change that. Them add 3.70 or 3.91 gears and wolla. GM give us a 6.2L for a reason, bigger displacement for more weight. I've driven 4 5.0s and have had it with trying to feel the stock power everyone talks about. Now that I can add lighter rear wheels to my car I may get an 18" setup that weighs much less.

[Coyotekiller]

Originally Posted by Nessal

You should head over to the mustang forums and read about all the transmission problems they have. Both cars have transmission problems and it's completely UNACCEPTABLE.

you should hear my story about my '11 5.0 mustang... The trans is great while it works. But when it stops working, it's going to be hell to fix. The camaro however, can have its trans fixed in quite a few custom shops. The 6060 doesn't have the best gear ratios, but it is the superior trans.

Originally Posted by Logan1234

+1

I have a 2012 SS and my wife has a 2011 5.0... when I'm in 3rd at the track, she is in 4th (3.73 gears), and she walks right by me.

Stock Power/Weight = Advantage 5.0

I'll bet if you switch cars that she'll stomp your ass in your own car too. Sometimes it's the driver and not the car.

[Kiss My SS]

Both great cars, whatever you drive we are lucky to have them!

[dekan513]

but in the bolton world the gt is the clear winner with a fast time of 10.88 bolton only gt and the ss with 11.5 or 11.6. but stock its all in the driver . u can have 2 ss cars sitting side by side and 1 will run a lil better then the other.

[DavidW]

Originally Posted by Coyotekiller

you should hear my story about my '11 5.0 mustang... The trans is great while it works. But when it stops working, it's going to be hell to fix. The camaro however, can have its trans fixed in quite a few custom shops. The 6060 doesn't have the best gear ratios, but it is the superior trans.

Yeah I never read into the reliability of the transmissions I just read that the 5.0 has a better clutch engagement and the the actual shifting on the 5.0 is better

[Coyotekiller]

Originally Posted by DavidW

Yeah I never read into the reliability of the transmissions I just read that the 5.0 has a better clutch engagement and the the actual shifting on the 5.0 is better

Oh the trans and clutch are great in the 5.0, until it breaks. I loved how light my clutch was in my 5.0 and how the gears were pretty much perfect for that car. Great setup and engineering ideas, but poor management ideas to build the trans on the cheap...

[Logan1234]

Originally Posted by Coyotekiller

I'll bet if you switch cars that she'll stomp your ass in your own car too. Sometimes it's the driver and not the car.

I will use small words so that hopefully you can understand...

with both of us in gear doing 90+ mph, her walking by means that I'm ahead at this point in the race, that's then the power/weight of the Mustang gave her an advantage.

And speaking of people who can't drive... how many transmissions has your non driving *$$ broken?

[Logan1234]

Originally Posted by L99CAMA2011

Buddy your Camaro is really a little slower because you have bigger, heavier wheels, the GT doesn't. Simply changing your wheels to lighter rims and tires with more grip will change that. Them add 3.70 or 3.91 gears and wolla. GM give us a 6.2L for a reason, bigger displacement for more weight. I've driven 4 5.0s and have had it with trying to feel the stock power everyone talks about. Now that I can add lighter rear wheels to my car I may get an 18" setup that weighs much less.

You are correct that heavy wheels will slow a car down but her car has 19" wheels that weigh almost as much as the SS wheels.

Adding gears will just about equal the mechanical advantage.

Most people "feel" torque, not horsepower... while the SS has the torque advantage, the Mustang makes the same if not slightly more power stock than the SS.

And finally, even if I go with lighter wheels, and do gears... I WILL STILL BE AT THE SAME POWER LEVEL WITH A CAR THAT WEIGHS 200 LBS. MORE... which was my original point.

[E.T.]

I think with lighter wheels and gears, you'd smoke her. Although you won't gain any more power from the engine, you get the equivalent of 50+ ft lbs of TQ at the rear wheels (or more, depending on what ratio you choose). Gears really do wonders for this car (probably any car).

[JerseyMonte]

One thing that gets overlooked is the big difference in engine displacement
5.0 vs 6.2 whatever happened to the old statement "There is no substitution for displacement" I guess there is, only now it's modern technology vs old school. To consider both cars equal, the cubes on the SS would have to be at 305 cid. Do you think they could get 440 hp out of one ?

[Coyotekiller]

Originally Posted by Logan1234

I will use small words so that hopefully you can understand...

with both of us in gear doing 90+ mph, her walking by means that I'm ahead at this point in the race, that's then the power/weight of the Mustang gave her an advantage.

And speaking of people who can't drive... how many transmissions has your non driving *$$ broken?

And let me break it down for you. If you are already accelerating hard and she blows by you, it's probably because she has better gears. If the camaro has one downside, it's the lack of factory gear options and the comparatively higher gearing of the tr6060 vs the mt-82.

And btw, I've had many performance cars and only had trans trouble with one. Think what you want.