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Old 01-19-2007, 12:03 PM   #1
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GM Attempting to keep Camaro Buzz alive for 2 years

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People are going to get tired of the overexposure of this car in the media if GM plans on going through with this schedule. Bad strategy.
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Keep Camaro Buzz Alive
Can GM keep the public's interest in this car for two more years?

By RICK KRANZ | AUTOMOTIVE NEWS

AutoWeek | Published 01/18/07, 2:46 pm et

DETROIT - While sales of the Camaro are at least two years away, Chevrolet kicks off a two-year campaign this spring to generate buzz for the car.

The campaign includes a primary role for the Camaro in an upcoming movie, tie-ins with Major League Baseball, music videos, fashion shows and movie stars, a Web site that will include the words Camaro Nation, and a long list of other activities.

Said General Manager Ed Peper: "We are going to have loads of things going on. My ultimate goal would be to get at least three months' or more worth of orders before we get to build the first one."

Orders will be accepted once prices are announced, sometime near the production of the first model.

Other tie-ins are planned with the Grammy Awards, Country Music Awards and the New Year's Eve celebration Chevrolet sponsors on network TV.

"There is an enormous amount of things that we will try to do in the next two years to keep the buzz going," said Peper.

The Camaro coupe goes on sale in early 2009, followed several months later by the convertible.

A hardcover book that chronicles the car's development will be released when the Camaro goes on sale.

Peper said the new Camaro has a featured role in the science-fiction thriller Transformers, which opens July 4.

Steven Spielberg is the film's executive producer.

"That will be a huge deal for us," Peper said.

"We are going to get a lot of play off that this summer into the early fall."
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A hardcover book that chronicles the car's development will be released when the Camaro goes on sale.
Something along the lines of 'All Corvettes are Red'
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People are going to get tired of the overexposure of this car in the media if GM plans on going through with this schedule. Bad strategy.
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Camaro may lose its buzz by 2009
January 19, 2007

BY KATIE MERX

FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER

Last week's unveiling of the Chevrolet Camaro convertible concept won oohs and aahs that rivaled those for the Camaro coupe concept shown at last year's auto show.

But at least a few analysts and prospective buyers question whether General Motors Corp. can keep the excitement going until the sports car reaches showrooms in 2009.

"The positive buzz in 2009 certainly won't be as intense as when the coupe first rolled out last year," said auto analyst Kevin Tynan of Argus Research in New York. "You even saw it last week. The convertible generated some excitement, but it didn't generate as much buzz as the coupe did last year. ... The response was: 'OK. Just build it already.' "

But GM says it's bringing the car to market on a time line that compares with the time it took to bring the Pontiac Solstice to market from its unveiling as a concept car.

"We've got all kinds of things planned to keep the buzz going," said Chevrolet General Manager Ed Peper. "One of them is, it will be the star of the 'Transformers' movie this summer."

Auto analyst Erich Merkle said he believes the Camaro will still be hot in two years.

GM's only mistake with the Camaro was killing it in the first place, he said. "I don't think they'll have any problem generating excitement. God, I love that car."
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Auto analyst Erich Merkle said he believes the Camaro will still be hot in two years.

GM's only mistake with the Camaro was killing it in the first place, he said. "I don't think they'll have any problem generating excitement. God, I love that car."
I don't think that proves anything. Being an auto enthusiest I am sure that, like us, much of anything is going to kill this guy's interest in the car. You have to consider the average person who will be buying this car that is not necessarily an enthusiest. Imagine someone going into a dealership after seeing this amazing car in the transformers movie, then seeing it promoted elsewhere ready to buy. They walk in and ask if they have any of the new Camaros on the lot... "I'm sorry sir, the Camaro is not scheduled to come out for another year and a half." Ok, I'll go buy a mustang or Challenger instead.

Not to say that this is going to happen a lot, but I wouldn't be suprised if it does cost them quite a few sales.
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I don't think that proves anything. Being an auto enthusiest I am sure that, like us, much of anything is going to kill this guy's interest in the car. You have to consider the average person who will be buying this car that is not necessarily an enthusiest. Imagine someone going into a dealership after seeing this amazing car in the transformers movie, then seeing it promoted elsewhere ready to buy. They walk in and ask if they have any of the new Camaros on the lot... "I'm sorry sir, the Camaro is not scheduled to come out for another year and a half." Ok, I'll go buy a mustang or Challenger instead.

Not to say that this is going to happen a lot, but I wouldn't be suprised if it does cost them quite a few sales.
I own a car dealership and i can assure you that the camaro is going to lose alot of sales .Yes some of the enthusiast will hold out for the car but you need to look in the eyes of the general public. When you see something in magazines,movies ,advertising for 2+ years, By the time the car comes out it will have outdated itself.People like the "new look" . Chevrolet is making a huge mistake. It also hurts brand loyalty.Most people who own the current camaro will dispose of it to buy a challenger or or mustang. Its hard to drive the same car for 7 years. When you plan on selling 100,000 cars a year, the last thing you should do is over advertise the car premature. GM is not going to make their $$ by the 5% who are enthusiast and buy the top dog. They plan on making their $$ on the 6cyl cars .. Yes I will wait for it only because i own a shelby, have a challenger on allocation and want to own all 3 modern muscle cars.I am a small collector, There is a big difference ..The average joe will not afford all three, they will go with whats out there "right now" or "soon".For this reason, I think the prolonged wait will actually really help gt 500 sales and the challenger keeping the public paying higher and prolonged premiums . Thanks GM , While your at it why dont you come out with a silverado ss like you said you were going to...........20 years later...........I will also say this,If all three came out around the same time, I can assure you that the "premiums" being paid for these cars would immidiatley disappear.I paid a $18,000 premium for my Shelby.Sucks but i wanted it.
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I'm not sure what you mean by it's hard to drive the same car for seven years...
Look at my Avatar, I've driven the same car for 28 years, obviously I've had a winter and family car, but my Camaro has never lost it's spunk. It's just the spirit of the Car, Man...It's THE CAMARO!

Relax, GM knows what it's doing-they are bringing back the Camaro, you know!
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I own a car dealership and i can assure you that the camaro is going to lose alot of sales .Yes some of the enthusiast will hold out for the car but you need to look in the eyes of the general public. When you see something in magazines,movies ,advertising for 2+ years, By the time the car comes out it will have outdated itself.People like the "new look" . Chevrolet is making a huge mistake. It also hurts brand loyalty.

Most people who own the current camaro will dispose of it to buy a challenger or or mustang. Its hard to drive the same car for 7 years. When you plan on selling 100,000 cars a year, the last thing you should do is over advertise the car premature. GM is not going to make their $$ by the 5% who are enthusiast and buy the top dog. They plan on making their $$ on the 6cyl cars ..

Yes I will wait for it only because i own a shelby, have a challenger on allocation and want to own all 3 modern muscle cars.I am a small collector, There is a big difference ..The average joe will not afford all three, they will go with whats out there "right now" or "soon".For this reason, I think the prolonged wait will actually really help gt 500 sales and the challenger keeping the public paying higher and prolonged premiums . Thanks GM , While your at it why dont you come out with a silverado ss like you said you were going to...........20 years later...........I will also say this,If all three came out around the same time, I can assure you that the "premiums" being paid for these cars would immidiatley disappear.I paid a $18,000 premium for my Shelby.Sucks but i wanted it.

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It is obvious there will be some 'lost sales' simply because the Mustang is already available and the Challenger will hit showrooms first, that is a no brainer.

Regarding the new look being outdated - I disagree. GM did this one smart IMO. they took the retro design one step further. The new Camaro isn't as retro as the Mustang for a few reasons. One big one is by the time it hits showrooms, the Mustang will be redesigned a bit, it will have more modern versions of the classic Mustang styling, something GM put a lot of thought into and already has with the Camaro.

Hurts Brand loyalty? That statement makes no sense. Most true Chevy/GM brand loyalists stuck with GM, they found alternative vehicles to roll.

The V6 version of the Camaro will be GMs bread and butter, it always has been and always will be.

20 years later for a Silverado SS? WTF are you talking about? Yes, GM should have had a performance truck to market quicker, but they did it and it runs very well IMO.

Premiums for the first year performance version will not go away, there are select few out there that will always want to spend more than MSRP to be one of the first on the block. Nothing wrong with that, it is the way things are

Provided GM holds true to the recent statement that the V6 Camaro will retail for about $21,000, GM has a winner on their hands. Are they late to the game? That is obvoious, but the Camaro has always outperformed the Mustang even thought it has usually cost a little more, the end up on top when the flag drops

The Mustang styling is great, they are selling alot of cars being the only kid in the ball game, but GM is knocking on the door, when Ford answers they'd better be able to keep up the pace
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to go back to what you said about camaros out performing the mustang. my stock 98 z28 out ran a modded 06 mustang 5.0. so I know first hand they have a lack of performance. why produce a brand new car that can be out classed by an older model that use to compete against it? mustangs just suck they need a supercharger just to compete.

as for the camaro coming out in early 09, yea right. mark my words It will be out no later then mid 08. GM knows what they have in their hands. They aren't going to sit by and do nothing about it. the mules are already on the roads in australia and the plant should be starting to convert over real soon, if it hasn't started already. but only time will tell when this thing will come out. will they lose my sale, Hell no. will they lose some sales, yes.
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It is obvious there will be some 'lost sales' simply because the Mustang is already available and the Challenger will hit showrooms first, that is a no brainer. Agreed. Some sales will be lost, but it will not be enough to shut down GM.

Regarding the new look being outdated - I disagree. ME TOO. GM did this one smart IMO. they took the retro design one step further. The new Camaro isn't as retro as the Mustang for a few reasons. One big one is by the time it hits showrooms, the Mustang will be redesigned a bit, it will have more modern versions of the classic Mustang styling, something GM put a lot of thought into and already has with the Camaro. Agreed. The designer did an excellent job w/ this Camaro. I think it's the best generation yet. Of course, I still love the 1st gen w/ a passion!

Hurts Brand loyalty? That statement makes no sense. Most true Chevy/GM brand loyalists stuck with GM, they found alternative vehicles to roll. Some people will be discouraged, but a vast majority will stay true to the GM line.

The V6 version of the Camaro will be GMs bread and butter, it always has been and always will be. I'd say a good 66% of Camaros that roll off the line will be V6 models. Especially w/ the high performace bersion coming out, they are going to sell like hotcakes.

20 years later for a Silverado SS? WTF are you talking about? Yes, GM should have had a performance truck to market quicker, but they did it and it runs very well IMO. They should have done something like Ford did w/ the Lightning and Dodge did w/ the SRT 8...was that what it was called? Think it had the Viper V12 in it. GM should have remade a Typhoon or Cyclone and sent that puppy to market. Sure, they made an SS Trailblazer which I won't knock, but it's no Typhoon/Cylcone. They gave this entire area in the market to Ford and Dodge. Now, GM could make a few of these...after all, they could rebadge a Chevy 1500 w/ some sport panels and toss an LS2 in it so they don't have to build an all new truck. Heck, take it one step further and offer something that Ford and Dodge doesn't have.....an LS2 Silverado extended cab w/ 400+ hp. Don't build an "SS" Silverado w/ 340hp and call it an SS....I mean, c'mon..... Do it right and really push the envelope here. Ok, enough ranting here....

Premiums for the first year performance version will not go away, there are select few out there that will always want to spend more than MSRP to be one of the first on the block. Nothing wrong with that, it is the way things are I'll stand by and let them pay to have the first one. Meanwhile, I'll order mine from my current dealer and get a hell of a deal. If not, after selling me 4 cars/trucks, they will lose my business for life. I don't think they will want to do that. I'll get my deal and I'll be happy w/ it.

Provided GM holds true to the recent statement that the V6 Camaro will retail for about $21,000, GM has a winner on their hands. Are they late to the game? That is obvoious, but the Camaro has always outperformed the Mustang even thought it has usually cost a little more, the end up on top when the flag drops Yes sir, they will end up on top. Late to the game as usual, but will end up on top. It's like they wait to see what everyone else does so they can come back and do it better to steal everyones business.....the only problem is that the other two manufacturers are already ahead of the game in sales....

The Mustang styling is great, they are selling alot of cars being the only kid in the ball game, but GM is knocking on the door, when Ford answers they'd better be able to keep up the pace
Ford will try to answer, but GM will have already walked off w/ everyones business. There won't be anyone standing at Fords door....
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Well lets see,Up until the gen4 camaros and not until 98 i might add, chevy has NEVER been on top of the sports car /muscle car wars.

60s was dodge one word HEMI
70s was mixed bag of nuts.
80s was ford dont even try to tell me that the irocs could hang with 5.0s.
90s was ford. When svt was introduced, they never looked back.Camaros were always heavier.Hopefully they are smarter this time.The new mustang is a tank.Ford did not need a supercharger on the 93-95 lightning and was 100 ci smaller and stil competed with the 454ss and was a drivers race.Not that it matters but the lightning outhandled the 454ss by um........alot

yes chevy had the great ones here and there but they were never on top.

if you remember correctley in the 80s ford 5.0s were a much closer to the "corvette" flagship car than any z28 camaro at the strip (street cars)The z28s (irocs) were not even close to comparison for 15 years!!!!.....fact

svt cobra from 93-to current were always faster stock for stock. (street cars)I know you might say well gm didnt have a svt program but thats too bad.They had their choices.Top line to top line.Chevy has always been beat.Corvette is the exception.But you all know thats not in the same class.

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"Regarding the new look being outdated - I disagree. GM did this one smart IMO. they took the retro design one step further. The new Camaro isn't as retro as the Mustang for a few reasons. One big one is by the time it hits showrooms, the Mustang will be redesigned a bit, it will have more modern versions of the classic Mustang styling, something GM put a lot of thought into and already has with the Camaro."

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Most people these days do not keep a car for 7 years before getting rid of it.Yes , some might keep their weekend car for 30 years but thats not what we are talking about here.We are talking about the "general public" NOT ENTHUSIAST.

If you are a potential "sport coupe buyer" and currently have a camaro and its time to trade, statistics will tell you that you will not wait for the new camaro .You will buy a mustang or similar.Only enthusiast will sit and talk about a car for 2 years and patiently wait for it like all of us! The general public wakes up decides to trade in the car today and goes to the dealership.If GM or any company payed most attention to its enthusiast and not the general public, they would be broke by now.

Also, dont misunderstand me. Why do you think the first year of any given new production vehicle has the most gross profit margin per vehicle ??? because everybody wants them and is willing to pay for it without rebates and discounts .Once the "newness" wears off,It is down to the pure essentials of the car which will make it a sucess or a flop.

I never said it wasnt a modern outdated design.What i said is by the time people can buy the car, they will have seen so many pictures of the car it will seem like old news.Thats all

I have no idea how the camaro will do long term but its been proven in statistics that when you prematurly announce a car, people actually get sick of waiting and decide to buy something else.These are studied statistics, not my opinion.

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"The Mustang styling is great, they are selling alot of cars being the only kid in the ball game, but GM is knocking on the door, when Ford answers they'd better be able to keep up the pace "

To this I laugh out loud. Fact, Ford has been on top and probally will continue.YOu are basing your opinions on what you THINK chevy MIGHT DO.Im stating facts on what Ford HAS DONE. Chevy has not even told you what motor is going in this camaro..........
cobra 360ho......
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shelby gt500.....500hp
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Chevy needs to answer not Ford.........................Ford has already proved itself.Chevy needs to put their motor where your mouth is.....LOL

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also, I didnt need to be the first on the block with a shelby gt 500. Ford is so secrative about how many they are actually making and how many years,I didnt want to be left behind.Thats why i paid a premium. I will wait on the camaro because like the regular mustang, it will probally be around for a while.I dont need the top dog limited SS Z28 camaro, Just the biggest they make in high production.My collection is mostly SVT anyway.I just want to have the new 3 .Just like the challenger.I will buy a hemi car but it wont have to be the 600hpo version if they just make one with the current 425 one.425 will be fine.
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Damn, you are long winded - you need to re-format that reply, I can't tell old replies from your reply

in the sixties, the BBC Camaros beat the Hemis on the street, dad lived that era and sent quite a few packing.

The Eighties, the 5.7l Camaro beat the 5.0L Mustang flat out. The only thing Ford had goiing for them was the bang for the buck with the 5.0L LX cars.
When the flag dropped the Camaro was out front.

Trucks? Different conversation entirely. GM felt a need to stay out of the performace truck market for some reason, that didn't seem to hurt sales any. Silverado/Sierra sales have been all over the F150 for years. Talk is with the GMT900 trucks, Chevy will out sell Ford alone, time will tell if that comes true or not.

Regarding the Ford GM comment in the last paragraph - HP numbers are one thing, You sound like a Ford purist so it is hard to swallow. The GM motors have outperformed the Ford motors in the Pony car wars. It was that way with the 3rd Gen Camaros and again with the 4th Gen, I have no doubt the 5th Gen will be the very same way.
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svt cobra from 93-to current were always faster stock for stock. (street cars)I know you might say well gm didnt have a svt program but thats too bad.They had their choices.Top line to top line.Chevy has always been beat.Corvette is the exception.But you all know thats not in the same class.
Some people class sports/muscle cars by price range. Thus paying 47,755 plus 18,000$ puts your beloved shelby right in the price range of ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm the Corvette.

The SVT mustangs have never been in the same price range as the camaro. ya chevy had the choice to not have a program like svt so all that coment proves is that they are in different classes that cannot be compaired with out knowledge of the differences in performance characteristics. You wouldn't compair your GT500 to a stock 1969 vw bug it would be like compairing apples to oranges.

Alow me to also point out the 2002 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 limited to 69 total cars show me a stock mustang that can compete with that.
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Guys please dont get me wrong.I love camaros, they were my first cars.I will be buying a new one also.That aside I have never seen a stock 5.7tpi beat a 5.0FI mustang. Mustangs ran low 15s from what i have seen and 5.7s rarley dropped below 16s in 1/4 mile...................


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I however am a enthusiast and REALIST of all high performance cars and trucks .I am not brand loyal.was a teenager in a time where Lightnings were the trucks and cobras were the cars...........If chevy was so great, they should have showed it, thats all.......

I see this is they typical die hard chevy forum so i wont bother with anymore opinions
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Don't let one or two opionions define the forum, we are all posting here as fans of the new Camaro

Personally, I think GM has learned a thing or two about pricing and performance. For the money, the Z06 Corvette is very tough to beat compared to the rest of the world. I believe some of this technology and performance will make it's way between the panels of the new Camaro.
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ShelbyGT500 dont get me wrong about the Lightning and Cobras they were the top dogs of the 90's The main point I was trying to make is that there is no real comparison between the Z28/SS and a cobra. I just dont like it when someone bashes one of the big three and any of their products. Yes I am brand loyal however my brand loyalty is to Chevrolet Dodge and Ford. I will always buy American cars. Further more I agree that the cobra was top dog it is just my love for the Camaro being my first car if only for a month is undying. I have always liked the looks of the camaros the most. Ya the 80's were a trying time looks wise but they were trying times looks wise for the mustangs too. I have never liked the looks of the fox body mustangs. And please dont stop giving your opinions. All opinions are greatly appreciated. They make for good conversations. Please continue to give yours.
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svt cobra from 93-to current were always faster stock for stock. (street cars)I know you might say well gm didnt have a svt program but thats too bad.They had their choices.Top line to top line.Chevy has always been beat.Corvette is the exception.But you all know thats not in the same class.
I smoked plenty of 90's cobras in both my stock 93 T/A and my stock 95 T/A and neither of my cars were even WS6.



In the later years the numbers on paper were close to the same, I know a few years of the cobra, maybe like 97-99, had issues putting the power to the pavement. Something about either a lot of drivetrain loss or a bad rear end. In 03 When the supercharger came in is when it was a no contest

Here are some comparisons, keep in mind that these are z28's not SS, SS is specialized by SLP which I think would be equivalent to SVT for the stangs

93 Cobra
Base Number of Cylinders: 8
Base Engine Size: 5 liters
Base Engine Type: V8
Horsepower: 235 hp
Max Horsepower: 4200 rpm
Torque: 280 ft-lbs.


93 Z28
Base Number of Cylinders: 8
Base Engine Size: 5.7 liters
Base Engine Type: V8
Horsepower: 275 hp
Max Horsepower: 5000 rpm
Torque: 325 ft-lbs.


95 Cobra
Base Number of Cylinders: 8
Base Engine Size: 5 liters
Base Engine Type: V8
Horsepower: 240 hp
Max Horsepower: 4800 rpm
Torque: 285 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 4000 rpm

95 Z28
Base Number of Cylinders: 8
Base Engine Size: 5.7 liters
Base Engine Type: V8
Horsepower: 275 hp
Max Horsepower: 5000 rpm
Torque: 325 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 2000 rpm


97 Cobra
Acceleration (0-60 mph): 5.6 sec.
Base Number of Cylinders: 8
Base Engine Size: 4.6 liters
Horsepower: 305 hp
Max Horsepower: 5800 rpm
Torque: 300 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 4800 rpm

97 Z28
Acceleration (0-60 mph): 5.8 sec.
Base Number of Cylinders: 8
Base Engine Size: 5.7 liters
Horsepower: 285 hp
Max Horsepower: 5200 rpm
Torque: 325 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 2400 rpm
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Old 01-21-2007, 11:13 AM   #20
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Guys, I'm sorry...but I have a feeling the 93 Cobra had a wee bit more hp than that and was most likely faster than a Z28. Not trying to start an argument here or anything, but I've experienced the 93 Cobra first hand. My previous roommate had a 93 5.0 H0 (stolen from my old apt complex) and then bought the 93 Cobra (which I "picked up for him" after having his alarm installed). It only took me 2 hours to go about 7 miles to drop if off at his work....hehehehe... So here it is. I've driven the Cobra...it was #*#*#*# fast! I have also driven his 97 LT1 Z28 and it sure did not feel like keeping up to that Cobra. I don't have factual written info...just first hand experience driving both. I could be wrong and it could be different when running them side by side...but let's be real....the fox body 5.0 ltr Mustangs were FAST. When they slapped in the 4.6 ltr V8, they screwed up big time and there's a ton of people out there who will agree with me on that one. I loved that 5.0!
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Yep, I have no personal experience with the FOX body Cobras.
My discussion above refers to the production models GT and Z28 respectively. Once you start talking about SVT and SS Camaros and the other tuner models, it's all bets off.
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Opinions are what keeps this thing going here's a long post

Hey Shelby GT500 don't back off man. I've read all the opinions and seen the facts and here's my .02 cents...

Of course this story has to start with "when I was back in HS" but that's when I first started driving. We all know the stories, lol. Up here on Long Island in the early 90s the modded 5.0 stangs ruled the road.

They were legendary for bang for the buck. But there were a few Chevy enthusiasts with some money that had the modded z-28's that would spank the fords. I only liked the notchback verts on the fox bodies. Other than that I give style points to Chevy in that time frame, from the 80s-early 90s.

I could never afford the car I wanted in HS so I drove a '78 Buick regal with the 5.0 motor. It had some spunk that car and a few backseat adventures haha.

Anyway it was a long time before I got my first pony car and that's when I started selling Fords in 2001. I sold a 2002 Mustang GT 5 spd to myself and then the mustang fever began. I started going to car shows and keeping my stang detailed and clean, it had no performance mods just body stripes on the lower rocker panels and tints.

I sold it a couple months ago with 49k on the clock and 3 accidents. lol...1st accident was 10k in damage, front end collision, both airbags deployed, major body work. It was never the same after that.

Anyway I had my fair share of street races in the stang and I lost every time to the Z28. The car was a pig actually and if I had the money I would have preferred the Camaro SS.

I now drive a 2000 Blazer LT, it's my 2nd GM car, first Chevy, and I'm never looking back. I love the Blazer, and can go on and on about it, but this is a Camaro forum.

I'm looking at 3rd and 4th gen SS Camaros on Ebay right now and I see a few I like...who knows this might tide me over until the 5th gen is here. I'm doing some research and find that a lot of F body cars need the sub frame connector mod right off the bat. Especially if you pull into steep driveways or intend on doing any kind of mods.

The other popular troubleshooting mod is going with the aluminum driveshaft to eliminate vibrations. I've been in a few friend's camaro's where there is some serious vibes during deceleration from high speeds with no braking.

I hope the 5th gen doesn't have these issues. As most of us may know before you can modify a muscle car and make more power you need a solid foundation to build on. How much money will GM spend on styling and power compared to durability and handling?

Hopefully I can just drop a supercharger and exhaust in the 5th gen (when they come out) and have no worries or would I have to spend more money in frame mods so I don't torque the car to shreds...
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Sparky76, I've never heard of anyone having serious vibrations due to the drive shaft. I'm thinking that someone ran over something or bottomed out somehow. Also, sub frame connectors are more than just a good idea when you start getting into the heavy mods. But for regular driving around and an occasional trip to the track, stock is fine. You won't hurt or twist anything.

I know quite a few people w/ 4th gens and it's pretty much the same across the board...they are very reliable. I'd say, the only recurring problem w/ my 4th gen is the brakes...actually it is specifically the rotors warping. It happened on all 3 of my 4th gens. Of course, there are a lot of guys complaining about loosing the rear end and breaking drive shafts. But, then again, those are usually modded up and are not completely built to handle the extra added power.

If you are serious about getting into a 4th Gen, there are a bunch out there that are really nice. It is not difficult at all to find an 01/02 w/ LOW miles and in a good price range. If you don't find what you want, wait a couple weeks and you will find what you're looking for. Good luck!
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Hey Shelby GT500 don't back off man. I've read all the opinions and seen the facts and here's my .02 cents...

Of course this story has to start with "when I was back in HS" but that's when I first started driving. We all know the stories, lol. Up here on Long Island in the early 90s the modded 5.0 stangs ruled the road.

They were legendary for bang for the buck. But there were a few Chevy enthusiasts with some money that had the modded z-28's that would spank the fords. I only liked the notchback verts on the fox bodies. Other than that I give style points to Chevy in that time frame, from the 80s-early 90s.

I could never afford the car I wanted in HS so I drove a '78 Buick regal with the 5.0 motor. It had some spunk that car and a few backseat adventures haha.

Anyway it was a long time before I got my first pony car and that's when I started selling Fords in 2001. I sold a 2002 Mustang GT 5 spd to myself and then the mustang fever began. I started going to car shows and keeping my stang detailed and clean, it had no performance mods just body stripes on the lower rocker panels and tints.

I sold it a couple months ago with 49k on the clock and 3 accidents. lol...1st accident was 10k in damage, front end collision, both airbags deployed, major body work. It was never the same after that.

Anyway I had my fair share of street races in the stang and I lost every time to the Z28. The car was a pig actually and if I had the money I would have preferred the Camaro SS.

I now drive a 2000 Blazer LT, it's my 2nd GM car, first Chevy, and I'm never looking back. I love the Blazer, and can go on and on about it, but this is a Camaro forum.

I'm looking at 3rd and 4th gen SS Camaros on Ebay right now and I see a few I like...who knows this might tide me over until the 5th gen is here. I'm doing some research and find that a lot of F body cars need the sub frame connector mod right off the bat. Especially if you pull into steep driveways or intend on doing any kind of mods.

The other popular troubleshooting mod is going with the aluminum driveshaft to eliminate vibrations. I've been in a few friend's camaro's where there is some serious vibes during deceleration from high speeds with no braking.

I hope the 5th gen doesn't have these issues. As most of us may know before you can modify a muscle car and make more power you need a solid foundation to build on. How much money will GM spend on styling and power compared to durability and handling?

Hopefully I can just drop a supercharger and exhaust in the 5th gen (when they come out) and have no worries or would I have to spend more money in frame mods so I don't torque the car to shreds...


Ive heard alot about people having vibration issues with the driveshafts and having to switch to the 1LE Aluminum, They even had a recall for them, I cant remember what years tho

You can go to F-Body.com and use the search feature to find ANYTHING, and I mean ANYTHING your looking for, and if by chance you dont find it post and you will get numerous answers and help from some of the most knowledgable 4th gen people I know of, I frequented the site when I had my T/A, there are some threads in there that state all the weak points and common problems for the 93-97 LT1 F-body and the 98-02 LS1 F-body
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Hey Shelby GT500 don't back off man. I've read all the opinions and seen the facts and here's my .02 cents...

Of course this story has to start with "when I was back in HS" but that's when I first started driving. We all know the stories, lol. Up here on Long Island in the early 90s the modded 5.0 stangs ruled the road.
Again, the conversation is STOCK FOR STOCK

There is no doubt the modded F body and Mustang market is still smoking hot
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