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Old 06-12-2012, 05:57 AM   #18
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I think this was predicted, that the GT500 would be faster in a line and the ZL1 Camaro would corner better.

Though from the inside line article it pretty much states that the ZL1 Camaro was the better drivers car. They stated that it launched easier, shifted better, and handled better, and that on the back roads the GT500 couldn't keep up.

This was a same day, same driver test so it has the most merit of all of the GT500 vs ZL1 Camaro stuff that we have so far. Though should wait to see if this sentiment is shared among other testers or if it is just insideline.

They also stated that its ride was nicer to you then the GT500 but also stated that the GT500 doesn't beat you up either.

In other words the conclusion from the article is that the ZL1 Camaro is imply the better performance car.
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Old 06-12-2012, 07:51 AM   #19
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You should see the kool aid drinking svt forum owners. They are trying to downplay and hate on the zl1. Excuses such as: These guys don't know how to test cars, The gt500 goes straight faster and that's the only thing that matters, Whoopdy the zl1 goes fast in a circle.

I own a cts-v and anyone whos driven an lsa car with mag ride knows what I'm talking about when I say it's a very well balanced car. It kills my 12 gt500 svt perf package car on the same twisty roads.

That being said It seems as though the cts-v got similar numbers on the same test despite being 300lbs heavier and around 30hp down.





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It's funny they have been screaming over there for a direct comparison of the two cars same day, same track, same driver for almost 6 months. Now they get what they ask for and they do not like the results
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:00 AM   #20
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What's not to like?

I like the results, stops and goes faster (123 trap vs 116)
Within a mph or so on slalom
And loses skidpad (though I expect both cars to go up a tiny bit since last years PP car went 1.00 or 1.01)

I haven't read the text version yet, but I seriously doubt anyone at stvperformance is upset by the results.....

What we didn't like, as some of you know and have expressed, real drivers and a real road course comparison is what we want (we being some ford guys but not me, I couldn't make it a full lap around a road course yet lol)
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:04 AM   #21
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That video was hardly the comparison I'd like to see. Somebody test these things on a track. Lap times please.
Agreed. Even so, the results are what most folks should have been prepared for....on both sides of the arguement.

And guys...Kool-Aid is the drink of choice on BOTH sides....its simply a matter of which color you drink.
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:15 AM   #22
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No, lost slalom and skid pad. .05 on the skid pad is quite a difference as well. We'll see how composed the GT500 is on a road course. Decent video. MT just needs to stick RP behind the wheel of both of these beasts and let him beat the hell out of them at Willow.
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:18 AM   #23
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What's not to like?

I like the results, stops and goes faster (123 trap vs 116)
Within a mph or so on slalom
And loses skidpad (though I expect both cars to go up a tiny bit since last years PP car went 1.00 or 1.01)

I haven't read the text version yet, but I seriously doubt anyone at stvperformance is upset by the results.....

What we didn't like, as some of you know and have expressed, real drivers and a real road course comparison is what we want (we being some ford guys but not me, I couldn't make it a full lap around a road course yet lol)
Basically, it was 2 for 2 in that test. I'm still suspicious as to why these things are only trapping in the teens.
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GT500 - 11.9 @ 123 mph
ZL1 - 12.4 @ 116 mph

"the GT500 is much quicker"
As far as handling "it's no contest" - ZL1 is the much better handling car.
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What was 2 for 2?

I saw a power/speed advantage for Team Blue, and handling/drivability for Team Gold/Bowtie.
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What was 2 for 2?

I saw a power/speed advantage for Team Blue, and handling/drivability for Team Gold/Bowtie.
1 (skidpad) + 1 (slalom) = 2
1 (1/4) + 1 (braking) = 2

2 for 2.
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:34 AM   #27
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1 (skidpad) + 1 (slalom) = 2
1 (1/4) + 1 (braking) = 2

2 for 2.
Actually, it's 2 to 2


As far as the test goes,I don't think the video gave us anything we didn't already know. The GT500 is a much faster car in a straight line & a very decent handling car.

And the ZL1 is a much better handling car & very respectable in a straight line.

As others have stated in this thead,I too wish they would actually put them on a track to see if the ZL1's superior cornering can overcome the brute force that is the GT500.
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:37 AM   #28
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GT500 - 11.9 @ 123 mph
ZL1 - 12.4 @ 116 mph

"the GT500 is much quicker"
As far as handling "it's no contest" - ZL1 is the much better handling car.
I don't get it... How is my SS running almost the same MPH and almost the exact 1/4 time with just headers, tune, and CAI.
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Was that ZL1 an auto?
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2012 ZL1 vs 2013 Shelby GT500 Review on insideline.com

Reposted from Apex's Facebook:

http://www.insideline.com/chevrolet/...ison-test.html

"Nothing is more humbling than watching a car with 100 fewer horses and the extra weight of an NFL running back disappear into the distance on a back road. But that's exactly what happened when we brought the two cars together to establish which is the best-driving pony car ever. The answer, as improbable as it seemed, was as obvious as the Camaro's shrinking taillights."
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I don't get it... How is my SS running almost the same MPH and almost the exact 1/4 time with just headers, tune, and CAI.
This is what is killing me about the ZL1!!!! Yes this car is super well balanced, but come ON!! This car should be trapping low 12s at lest at 118-120 on these test. Then how much closer would it look next to the brut force of the gt500? My SS can run with the avg. zl1 run and it cost half the price with 2k in mods Personally I race at the drags, I love that chevy built such a well balanced car, but they need to step up at the drags with a street legel camaro... And no the copo does not count!
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After looking at some of the owners times on this bored, how is that they are running just what I said, low 12s! So why cant these so called test show this?
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I don't get it... How is my SS running almost the same MPH and almost the exact 1/4 time with just headers, tune, and CAI.
Agreed. I'm more of a GT500 but am an all around car guy (drive an 08 Z06) I thought the ZL1 would be a little faster in the quarter initially.
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As others have stated in this thead,I too wish they would actually put them on a track to see if the ZL1's superior cornering can overcome the brute force that is the GT500.
While I'm definately a drag racer and not a road course person, I too would like to see an actual on-track, same day, same driver comparison. I'm sure we will in the near future...
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