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Candy_Camaro · 06-16-2012, 09:00 PM

Regardless of the engine, it still says FORD. Yuck.

infernometallicSS · 06-16-2012, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Candy_Camaro

Regardless of the engine, it still says FORD. Yuck.

Well said.

Quackersacker · 06-16-2012, 10:01 PM

Seen a new shelby today didnt meet the guy though

islander033 · 06-17-2012, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Candy_Camaro

Regardless of the engine, it still says FORD. Yuck.

Agreed...lol.

nester7929 · 06-17-2012, 12:55 AM

I don't think he had a special edition Shelby, and I don't think it's been customized.

I think he's either a liar or an idiot.

tooslow · 06-17-2012, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jackyl22

The only Shelby Cobra Ford makes for 2013 and all past models is a V8. This guy is being stupid. Think about it why would Ford put out a V6 that pretty much out does the 5.0. the new 13 Shelby is a 5.8L 650 HP monster. I shopped it before I bought my SS.

Ford does not make a "Shelby Cobra". All of the modern GT500's are officially "Ford Shelby GT500 Mustang". Because the top tier Mustang in the previous generation was called a "Cobra", a lot of misguided people want to place the same name on the top tier Mustang offered in the current generation.

C5RocksC5 · 06-17-2012, 11:12 AM

There is a moron car owner for every car brand.

bluebox · 06-17-2012, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

The Terlingua is a V6 Ford Mustang fitted with a Racing Team package that includes performance enhancements and modified cosmetic details by Shelby.

The Teringua also features improvements to the handling and braking capabilities that were developed with Ford Racing as well as an optional supercharger.
[...]
Base model was 375 HP I believe.

There is no naturally aspirated 400hp V6 from Ford, Shelby American, or anywhere else to be found. OP said there was no turbo/SC, though they didn't say if the car had any particular markings; the Terlingua had a (non-optional) Paxton on it, worth 375hp; the SA site mentions no 2013 models; on and on.

How far will people go to make exceptions for some poor deluded individual who thinks he has something he doesn't?

Fenderaddict2 · 06-17-2012, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bluebox

There is no naturally aspirated 400hp V6 from Ford, Shelby American, or anywhere else to be found. OP said there was no turbo/SC, though they didn't say if the car had any particular markings; the Terlingua had a (non-optional) Paxton on it, worth 375hp; the SA site mentions no 2013 models; on and on.

How far will people go to make exceptions for some poor deluded individual who thinks he has something he doesn't?

Actually Shelby does a few unofficial cars and then he does a few of them. It was the way he did things and Shelby American followed. There are indeed non-turbo V6 Shelby's out there with at least 2 I know of, one showcased last year at the pre-Woodward event, and one sitting in a race shop not all that far from here. Also the specs of 375 applied to the '08 Version which was indeed turboed. Then have long since surpassed that output.

Fenderaddict2 · 06-17-2012, 10:30 PM

Oh and the guy may have been full of it, or maybe he wasn't completely informed although he did have a hghi output V6. I didn't meet him so I won't pass judgement. But I will comment it was possible, if improbable. The interesting thing, had Shelby lived is that the upcoming Ford Shelby's would have featured smaller displacement high output motors as that's where Carol's interest actually was even if his followers all wanted big fire breathing V8's.

Fenderaddict2 · 06-17-2012, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bluebox

There is no naturally aspirated 400hp V6 from Ford, Shelby American, or anywhere else to be found. OP said there was no turbo/SC, though they didn't say if the car had any particular markings; the Terlingua had a (non-optional) Paxton on it, worth 375hp; the SA site mentions no 2013 models; on and on.

How far will people go to make exceptions for some poor deluded individual who thinks he has something he doesn't?

PS, if you were at the Shelby booth at NAIAS you would have seen one for yourself although you are correct it currently is not shown on the website.

2012 Mustang GT · 06-18-2012, 04:00 AM

Thats why my Mustang has an LS3 in it

a_Username · 06-18-2012, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

You are correct.

The Terlingua is a V6 Ford Mustang fitted with a Racing Team package that includes performance enhancements and modified cosmetic details by Shelby.

The Teringua also features improvements to the handling and braking capabilities that were developed with Ford Racing as well as an optional supercharger.

The model features a deep draw hood, 20” anthracite “Razor” wheels and a comprehensive styling changes including a logo with the Terlingua rabbit "Lucifer".

The package is applied by Shelby Automobiles in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Base model was 375 HP I believe.

Wow never knew that. Random as balls actually...

2001ragtop · 06-18-2012, 07:24 AM

It's kind of like someone who has a Ferrari, but really has no clue what engine it has. They just know it's fast.

My Shelby has a V-something. They are too busy counting money at home to care about specifics. I wouldn't care either if that was the case...

Hey this car on the lot looks cool. how much is it? I will take it thanks ! Here we will pay cash for the entire thing.

scrming · 06-18-2012, 12:51 PM

Shelby GTS - V6 or V8:

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/10/2...by-gts-review/

They also did a CS6:

http://www.muscularmustangs.com/2005...2shelbycs6.php

scrming · 06-18-2012, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealth6

Are you certain that there wasn't a turbo? Or maybe two turbo's. I'm only asking this since there is a 400 hp, 400 lb-ft twin-turbocharged V6 Ecoboost-powered F-150 pick-up. This set up was designed by Ford's Special Vehicle Team (SVT).

Dyno sheet from my Flex...

BLUE = Stock tune
RED = Livernois Tune
GREE = Livernois Tune with methanol

Flex is all wheel drive... we have also tweaked the tune a bit more... so at the crank we are probably looking at around 470 HP and close to 500 ft/tq...

Grabber · 06-18-2012, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by scrming

Dyno sheet from my Flex...

BLUE = Stock tune
RED = Livernois Tune
GREE = Livernois Tune with methanol

Flex is all wheel drive... we have also tweaked the tune a bit more... so at the crank we are probably looking at around 470 HP and close to 500 ft/tq...

????

That is like a 30-40% drivetrain loss. I think 470HP and 500TQ are a bit high for crank numbers.

scrming · 06-18-2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Grabber

????

That is like a 30-40% drivetrain loss. I think 470HP and 500TQ are a bit high for crank numbers.

Dyno sheet shows 359/397... this was not the final tune numbers... we tweaked it a bit afterwards and was about 370 HP at the wheels..

so the math..

HP at the crank = 470

20% (AWD) would be 470 x .2 = 94 HP.... 470 - 84 = 376.. so ok... maybe 460 at the crank

TQ at the crank = 500

20% would be 500 x .2 = 100 ft/lbs... 500 - 100 = 400 ft/lbs.. so that is close..

other math would be to do the calculation from the 1/4 mile stats which are 12.95 @ 108 MPH in a vehicle that weighs 5185 with driver...

All from a little 3.5 liter motor.... LOL

Grabber · 06-18-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by scrming

Dyno sheet shows 359/397... this was not the final tune numbers... we tweaked it a bit afterwards and was about 370 HP at the wheels..

so the math..

HP at the crank = 470

20% (AWD) would be 470 x .2 = 94 HP.... 470 - 84 = 376.. so ok... maybe 460 at the crank

TQ at the crank = 500

20% would be 500 x .2 = 100 ft/lbs... 500 - 100 = 400 ft/lbs.. so that is close..

other math would be to do the calculation from the 1/4 mile stats which are 12.95 @ 108 MPH in a vehicle that weighs 5185 with driver...

All from a little 3.5 liter motor.... LOL

20% of 370 would be around 444HP and 476TQ. Just saying. 20% is on the high side even for an AWD. Not bad for a 3.5 Liter. What are your mods? Turbo, Meth, full bolt-ons, etc?

Do you weigh over 500lbs. I thought the Flex's were around 4400-4500lbs from the factory, more towards 4500 with options.

scrming · 06-18-2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Grabber

20% of 370 would be around 444HP and 476TQ. Just saying. 20% is on the high side even for an AWD. Not bad for a 3.5 Liter. What are your mods? Turbo, Meth, full bolt-ons, etc?

Do you weigh over 500lbs. I thought the Flex's were around 4400-4500lbs from the factory, more towards 4500 with options.

That's the BASE Flex.... I have an EcoBoost which requires the AWD... and both the EcoBoost engine and AWD add weight.... quick look at the 2013 specs (basically unchanged from 2011) puts the curb weight of the EcoBoost AWD Flex at 4839! And yes, i tip the scales at over 300 pounds...

LOL

scrming · 06-18-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Grabber

20% of 370 would be around 444HP and 476TQ. Just saying. 20% is on the high side even for an AWD. Not bad for a 3.5 Liter. What are your mods? Turbo, Meth, full bolt-ons, etc?

Do you weigh over 500lbs. I thought the Flex's were around 4400-4500lbs from the factory, more towards 4500 with options.

Think your math is off... it's 20% off the 470 (or 460).

Stock is 355 at the crank... baseline dyno is 283... so...

355 - 283 = 72 HP loss

72 / 355 = .2028 = 20% drive train loss...

460 - 20% = 460 x .80 = 368 HP which is right about were we are at...

As for mods... this the twin turbo EcoBoost. Mods are tune, methanol injection and axle back exhaust... TSW wheels which are lighter than stock but not sure how much they actually helped... still running the stock air box AND running on All Season radials! LOL

bluebox · 06-18-2012, 06:13 PM

I'm still waiting for someone, somewhere, to point out a non-boosted Ford V6 that puts out anything north of 330hp, particularly one that "gets 30mpg around town."

If Ford (or anyone else) were able to do that for $30K, my SS would be traded in tomorrow. (Ok, Not.

)

So far, all of the V6's mentioned in this thread that make 350+ horses have turbo or SC help.

Remember what the OP said: there was no lung on the motor (which would have been painfully obvious even to an untrained eye). It has everything to do with going too far over the 100hp/liter general rule for non-boosted factory motors that has been in existence for over 20 years: reliability.

You could likely put cams with lots of timing into a 3.7L Ford 6 and run premium fuel, but it probably wouldn't be very "streetable" from the factory, and likely wouldn't meet emissions. And it certainly would not get 30mpg.

Ok, think I'm done with this thread...

Fenderaddict2 · 06-18-2012, 07:22 PM

Not for 30k Keep the SS.

KXRM · 06-18-2012, 10:22 PM

Ford does not make a N/A V6 with 400hp. If they did the N/A 5.0 would be producing 550hp. He is full of shit and trust me as a Mustang owner they are on both sides of the track. I never understood why people need to lie to feel proud of their car. I am proud of my car even though it doesn't make 425hp. I would be proud of a car that made 300hp and did it at 30mpg. No need to exaggerate.

Also I don't think there is any excuse for being misinformed. He should know what he bought. If he doesn't he should buy a Camry.

06-16-2012, 10:01 PM	#28
Quackersacker Drives: 2011 Camaro Convertible SS Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Iowa Posts: 588 View My Garage	Seen a new shelby today didnt meet the guy though __________________

06-17-2012, 12:55 AM	#30
nester7929 Rice Harvester Drives: 2011 Mustang 5.0 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,237	I don't think he had a special edition Shelby, and I don't think it's been customized. I think he's either a liar or an idiot. __________________ All statements made in this post are undoubtedly correct and are eligible neither for debate nor discussion. If any comment is made that seemingly contradicts a comment made earlier, it simply means I was correct before and am even more correct now.

06-17-2012, 10:30 PM	#35
Fenderaddict2 Drives: '12 Boss, '65 Mustang FB, '64 Strat Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Oakville Posts: 1,383 View My Garage	Oh and the guy may have been full of it, or maybe he wasn't completely informed although he did have a hghi output V6. I didn't meet him so I won't pass judgement. But I will comment it was possible, if improbable. The interesting thing, had Shelby lived is that the upcoming Ford Shelby's would have featured smaller displacement high output motors as that's where Carol's interest actually was even if his followers all wanted big fire breathing V8's. __________________ Rated at 272 horsepower and 260 pound-feet of torque, Cadillac's turbo mill is rated for more power than the engines found in its German competition. Of course, once you take this engine to a chassis dyno known for vaporizing GM fairy dust as we did, the output of the ATS engine looks identical to that of a BMW engine rated for 32 fewer ponies.

06-18-2012, 12:51 PM	#40
scrming Red Brick of Vengeance! Drives: 12 Second Brick Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: at my pulpit Posts: 7,490	Shelby GTS - V6 or V8: http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/10/2...by-gts-review/ They also did a CS6: http://www.muscularmustangs.com/2005...2shelbycs6.php __________________ 2013 MRT Laguna ST - 249 WHP & 339 WTQ 2011 Ford Flex EcoBoost Limited - 12.727 @ 109.790 MPH

06-18-2012, 06:13 PM	#47
bluebox Drives: '12 1SS LS3 IBM/SIM Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Delawhere Posts: 198	I'm still waiting for someone, somewhere, to point out a non-boosted Ford V6 that puts out anything north of 330hp, particularly one that "gets 30mpg around town." If Ford (or anyone else) were able to do that for $30K, my SS would be traded in tomorrow. (Ok, Not. ) So far, all of the V6's mentioned in this thread that make 350+ horses have turbo or SC help. Remember what the OP said: there was no lung on the motor (which would have been painfully obvious even to an untrained eye). It has everything to do with going too far over the 100hp/liter general rule for non-boosted factory motors that has been in existence for over 20 years: reliability. You could likely put cams with lots of timing into a 3.7L Ford 6 and run premium fuel, but it probably wouldn't be very "streetable" from the factory, and likely wouldn't meet emissions. And it certainly would not get 30mpg. Ok, think I'm done with this thread... __________________ Now: Invo's on Nurburgs \| Ext. Eng. catch can \| heritage grille Next: a few Pedders bits, tighten it up \| better sways \| drop coils, maybe \| CAI, exhaust, JRE tune Then I'm done, I swear. . .

06-16-2012, 09:00 PM	#26
Candy_Camaro Amanda Drives: 2012 IBM 2LS Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Lake Stevens, WA Posts: 744 View My Garage	Regardless of the engine, it still says FORD. Yuck.

06-17-2012, 11:12 AM	#32
C5RocksC5 Banned Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sin City Posts: 697	There is a moron car owner for every car brand.

06-18-2012, 04:00 AM	#37
2012 Mustang GT Drives: 2012 Mustang GT, 1998 Cobra Join Date: May 2012 Location: VA Posts: 130	Thats why my Mustang has an LS3 in it

06-18-2012, 07:24 AM	#39
2001ragtop Drives: V8 american car Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 1,398	It's kind of like someone who has a Ferrari, but really has no clue what engine it has. They just know it's fast. My Shelby has a V-something. They are too busy counting money at home to care about specifics. I wouldn't care either if that was the case... Hey this car on the lot looks cool. how much is it? I will take it thanks ! Here we will pay cash for the entire thing.

06-18-2012, 07:22 PM	#48
Fenderaddict2 Drives: '12 Boss, '65 Mustang FB, '64 Strat Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Oakville Posts: 1,383 View My Garage	Not for 30k Keep the SS. __________________ Rated at 272 horsepower and 260 pound-feet of torque, Cadillac's turbo mill is rated for more power than the engines found in its German competition. Of course, once you take this engine to a chassis dyno known for vaporizing GM fairy dust as we did, the output of the ATS engine looks identical to that of a BMW engine rated for 32 fewer ponies.

06-18-2012, 10:22 PM	#49
KXRM Drives: 2011 Mustang GT Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 168	Ford does not make a N/A V6 with 400hp. If they did the N/A 5.0 would be producing 550hp. He is full of shit and trust me as a Mustang owner they are on both sides of the track. I never understood why people need to lie to feel proud of their car. I am proud of my car even though it doesn't make 425hp. I would be proud of a car that made 300hp and did it at 30mpg. No need to exaggerate. Also I don't think there is any excuse for being misinformed. He should know what he bought. If he doesn't he should buy a Camry.