Supercharger / Turbocharger Results (INFO) Thread

[simon.w]

Here's a video on the dyno of my 2011 2SS running Whipple kit, 3.875 Pulley, Long tubes, full 3" Exhaust, CAI Intake, ADM Race Scoop.

Was hoping for 600+ based on what others are getting in here ... but the 22" rims, on a safe tune for 91 octane obviously has an impact.

This is a daily driver ... So running octane boost on an aggressive tune is not really an option. I like to know I can give it a hard time without fear of frying the pistons.

[Agent orange]

Originally Posted by Granatelli

Well……you know what they say about opinions . Everyone has one. Here are mine as it relates to the above. Perhaps I should tell everyone what makes me uniquely qualified to address this issue. I am J.R. Granatelli, Owner of Granatelli Motor Sports. I have grown up in the forced induction world literally all my life. I have raced turbocharged Indy Cars, I have co-own my own Indy Car team but more to the point I worked at Paxton Superchargers from 1982 to 1990 and then purchased the company June 1990 and sold the company July of 1998. While all that had transpired, Jim Middlebrook, the owner of Vortech was my employee at Paxton and we gave him is first start in centrifugal supercharging as well. In 1982 we built a twin Paxton blown small block Chevy and installed it into my ’82 daily driver Camaro. We ran 204mph and set many records. However, even though I worked at Paxton I was always fascinated with Turbochargers - I removed the twin Paxton set up and installed twin 62mm turbos. We built 2 motors, 1 for the Camaro and 1 for a Caprice Classic 4 door (want to set both records) The simply by removing the Paxtons and installing the turbos we gained 180hp for a total of 950hp (seems like not so much today but we are talking about 1983 when this happened) The Camaro ran 261 and the Caprice ended up setting the 4 door record as well at 218 with 4 passengers too.

After selling Paxton in 1998 I went full speed ahead into the turbocharger business. We build and designed kits for many of the most popular GM, Ford and Dodge applications and many custom kits as well. In 2001 Ford had us build a Paxton Blown 4v Modular engine to go drag racing under their banner and again using 1 Novi 2000 supercharger (which I designed when I still owned Paxton) we made 1080hp. Again I removed the Paxton and installed 1 101mm turbo and made 1480hp.

Fast Forward to 2006 – I was approached by Jerry Magnuson to help work on the Eaton type Roots/Rotor/Screw type blowers. While this was a new path for us, I was more then eager to learn about this form of forced induction as well – now here comes my opinion….

CamBoy – I say NO WAY do you install a centrifugal on your V6. Centrifugals make boost linear to engine RPM. That means down low the centrifugal will not satisfy you – With the V6 you need to make up for the lack of Grunt (torque) right off the line. I think a turbo kit we be awesome for your requirement or a Magnuson type blower. I really don’t know anyone that offers a nice direct fit as off today. We are going to work on the V6 turbo kit as soon s the V8 is done. Whoever does build or sell you a forced inductions kit will most likely offer it with the appropriate air intake to go with it. I know Lingenfelter was working on V6 stuff but I am sure the prices will be stiff too. As for taking out a 370hp Dodge RT – I would say YES for sure that will be plausible

Riderover40 – To each his own – I hear what you’re saying but just a few things. Turbolag is a thing of the past. There is no such thing anymore as turbolag. When sized properly to the application it just isn’t there

Look at the dyno graph below -



I understand it is for a Mustang but it paints a perfect picture of how a perfectly sized turbo has no lag – even as low as 2600 the engine has picked up 60hp – that shows the boost is already there – in fact, 60hp at 2600 is a gain of 52% - that means this engine had at least 7psi by 2600 on its way to 10psi total. Turbos are as reliable and durable are any supercharger too. HEAT – I agree if you mount a turbo up by the valve cover there is extra unwanted heat and that needs to be factored in. We typically mount the turbos down low and heat is a non factor –

As for looks – I agree a Maggy in the center of the engine is hard to beat for looks – it looks clean – but so does a nice twin turbo system – as for centrifugal blowers like Paxton, Vortech and Procharger – they make but loads of top end power – probably the most but they look like they are out of place. – We agree on that

GenetX – If you have a V8 2010 and want all a great package – you cant go wrong with an off the shelf TVS2300 from Magnuson – with that said at 7.5 psi they make 450 to the tires in the real world – that works out to be 560 at the crank. If you plan to go over that - you need more than just the kit as delivered – like smaller blower pulley – voids warranty on blower, plus headers and perhaps a cam change. It is easy to make 550 at the tires with the TVS2300 but it takes more than just a standard kit with a 2 or 3 year warranty. The turbo on the other hand has proven to be a real 500 hp to the tires at just 5.5 psi and even 600 at 8psi. Single or twin – twin makes more power down low and package better – it is just a matter of moving air from point A to point T – (throttle body) - Wait until you see the twin turbo kit GMS and TTi are working on. It is worth the wait (4 more weeks)

Hope a few read this and take it for what it is worth – in the end you can’t make a bad choice - short of putting a centrifugal on a 6 cylinder – don’t do it.

SO we all know I am being totally honest – Yes I agree below 3k a Maggie is KING. After that the turbos win hands down. If what you want is a great car that is silky smooth down low and make BALLS out power on the Top – the centrifugal is great.

[scottywheels]

Originally Posted by Granatelli

Dynojet right?

Your motor must make 470 rwhp N/A before blown - also there had to be a timing change with the pulley change. 1lb of boost should be equal to a 6.8% change with no other things changed. So if 680rwhp was at 7.5 then at 8.5 it should go to 726 on the high side and 709 on average.

Great numbers just seems like the gain is a lot for a 1 psi increase

i agree 1000% 1 lb of boost is not worth 60 rwhp.

[BLACK10]

LS3 376
ESC/ Paxton NOVI 1500.
Snow stage III meth kit
cam with supporting valve train
stock rotating assembly
headers/hi flow cats
ported tb & intake
745rwhp on meth
633rwhp without meth

[camarossowner]

From what I have seen no one seems to be taking about the Edelbrock E force supercharger kits. I'm thinking of going with the vortec or Edelbrock, because my 2002 ss camaro has a procharger kit on it already.

[sscamaro]

I have the Edelbrock E-Force S/C on my SS. It is used only on the street so 546/rwhp and 522/rwtq is good for me. That is running on 6 lb of boost with a safe tune. I also like the appearance of it under the hood.

[camarossowner]

Did you do install?

Originally Posted by sscamaro

I have the Edelbrock E-Force S/C on my SS. It is used only on the street so 546/rwhp and 522/rwtq is good for me. That is running on 6 lb od boost with a safe tune. I also like the apperance of it under the hood.

[sscamaro]

Originally Posted by camarossowner

Did you do install?

Yes, a friend of mine and I installed it. Took about 12-13 hours.

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by Granatelli

Dynojet right?

Your motor must make 470 rwhp N/A before blown - also there had to be a timing change with the pulley change. 1lb of boost should be equal to a 6.8% change with no other things changed. So if 680rwhp was at 7.5 then at 8.5 it should go to 726 on the high side and 709 on average.

Great numbers just seems like the gain is a lot for a 1 psi increase

You're right; I was at about 475rwhp. before the ProCharger install, the 1st. graph shows above 660 but just below 680 (on steady rise), just above the 7.5psi. mark, 2nd. graph shows between 725 and 750hp. (steady rise), just above the 8.5psi. mark.

[camarossowner]

Well, I ordered the Vortech supercharger from summit this morning. Hope to have it here early next week.

[Camaro21]

722rwhp / 748rwtq
Lingenfelter 417 Stroker / Heads
ADM Dual Fuel Pump
TVS 2300 w/OD Cog & 3.0 Pulley
Innovators West 8-Rib Pulleys
ADM Performance Installed & Tuned
Kooks Headers and Magnaflow Mufflers

[camarossowner]

Here is the almost finished project. Need to added coolant, new spark plugs and load the tune and then check for any leaks. Can't wait!!!!!!!

[sscamaro]

I told you he was the best.

[6liter]

Hartely Automotive in Jacksonville Florida did the install and tune. Dyno at EFI in Green Cove Springs Florida and very happy with my daily driver.
Kenne Bell + Kooks LT + Wortec Exhaust are only engine mods.

[maxdmax]

Here is what we have done on my Maggie car with no meth. My tuner sent me 3 graphs all overlayed for my car as we have stepped it up over the last year or so.

LS3 - TVS2300 - LG G5XB CAM - 93 Octane Pump Gas - No Meth

Stock pulley- 5.5 PSI - 52lb injectors - 559 HP 497 TQ best - ET 11.2

3.4" pulley - 7.5 PSI - 52lb injectors - LPE Dual fuel pump - 616 HP 572 TQ

3.2" pulley - 9 PSI - 65lb injectors - 3 Bar MAP Sensor - LPE Dual fuel pump - 1:1 - Rear cog drive - Jennetty H-D front tensioner - 638 HP 601 TQ - Best ET 10.93

[AngelSpeedFreak]

here are my numbers.... not as good as a lot of you crazy guys/ gals but it will do the trick for me 550rwhp 538rwtq @ 5.5psi - this is on 22" rims running on 91 octaine

TVS2300 w/3.6 pulley (5.5psi), corsa exhaust, noweeds diverters, roto-fab intake. stock headers and cats.

[AngelSpeedFreak]

Originally Posted by Granatelli

Your numbers are steller - TVS2300 on an otherwise stock car with stock rims make 460-ish - 500 is very good - must be a M6

Good start

Thanks. it was actually a typo on my part too.... its actually at 550rwhp with the 22"s. I definitely cannot complain.

[LittleMT]

Originally Posted by AngelSpeedFreak

Thanks. it was actually a typo on my part too.... its actually at 550rwhp with the 22"s. I definitely cannot complain.

very nice....

if anything, consider losing the gato's, they don't likie the boost very much.

[Padre]

Bump!

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4411948

Max trim = 619/572 @ 11psi (+195rwhp)
Daily Trim = 593/535 @ 9psi (+169rwhp)

Details: 2011 L99/A6 Camaro, <10k miles.
Bolt-ons: JBA Shorties, JBA catless midpipes, Meziere Electric Water Pump.
Drivetrain: 3.45 gears (swapped from an M6), 3200 FTI/RX Torque Converter, 18" TSW Rims with 305 MT DR's (20x9" stock rims/275 tires on all corners, daily trim).
Valvetrain: Lingenfelter GT-9 cam, Comp 675 Duals.
Blower: Procharger D-1SC, with Turbonetics Wastegate mod.
Fuel pump: drop-in Aeromotive Stealth for Gen5 Camaros, with return fuel system.





Padre

[AngelSpeedFreak]

dyno day...

[bob2010ss]

hey guys!
i have a 2010 2SS, all it has is:

turbonetics 76mm kit
larger injectors
upgraded pump
gutted cat
7lb springs
dyno tune set at 7lbs

i got 579rwhp
and 593 ftlbs

SPi did the installation and tune!

Car looks, sound totally stock, until you get into it!

[pierre777]

my numbers are as follows:
L99 + ARH LTs + CAI + Corsa CB + tune = 412rwhp + 413rwtq.

added a maggie sc stock pulley + tune = 492rwhp + 462rwtq.

expected 500/500 from the blower, but the car feels awesome and powerfull , here's my graph at 90 degrees and humidity 60% , i guess could have got better numbers if the weather was cooler .

[SSBUSDRVR]

Vengeance Racing. Thanks to Ron, Mike and the crew on the work and tune on some very hot miserable days.

[chiel]

KenneBell with 85lb/hr injectors Longtubes 2"3" no cats , custom exhaust 2x3"
3 3/4 poulie 9.5psi.

I dynoed today 610 fwhp and 691 Nm Tq,
Expexted more but not unhappy.






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[WhiteHP]

Originally Posted by pierre777

my numbers are as follows:
L99 + ARH LTs + CAI + Corsa CB + tune = 412rwhp + 413rwtq.

added a maggie sc stock pulley + tune = 492rwhp + 462rwtq.

expected 500/500 from the blower, but the car feels awesome and powerfull , here's my graph at 90 degrees and humidity 60% , i guess could have got better numbers if the weather was cooler .

That is nice. That is the set up I am looking at if I do a SC. I'll have the CAI, Corsa CB, and the tune done this weekend.

I love the sound of a turbo blow of valve, and after reading this it's a toss up between the Maggie Sc and Granatelli or Hellion TT.

Nice thread.