Improve Acceleration and speed??

[jm251]

Originally Posted by shrinkdoc

You dont need a SC to break into the 13s. I was running in the 13.9 with just
an axle back exhaust with X-pipe and CAI, a loaded trunk on 87 octane. Now with my Ported TB I am going even faster.

ha ha shrinkdoc that's awesome, especially the loaded trunk

[MrGood]

Originally Posted by Goo

Seems to be a lot of misinformation in this thread...

+1. A supercharged v6 with a good driver only running mid 13s lol. Come on man.. Only thing he was right on was the price.

[hapisok]

HEAVILY (FI) modding a V6 (NOT INCLUDING NOS) will get you close to a STOCK SS...but how are you going to contend with one that is other than stock? i just dyno'd my SS (stock) and already put down 381hp/383tq at the wheels. CAI and tune will put me over 400...headers...TB...IM...CAM...and end up somewhere close to 475-490. not even mentioning FI.

you need to ask yourself what your REALLY want. a bad ass V6 that contends with other vehicles of a similar class. how much $$$/HP you are willing to invest to achieve your goal. and what do you have to prove to a V8?

it won't just be engine mods (CAI, TB, ported IM, insulator, ported heads, CAM, headers, tune, possibly running E85), you'll also need suspension to help plant that power, tires, gearing, weight reduction, 18" rims helps eliminate rotational mass...it goes on.

the mods should be fun in and of itself...pushing the limits of your car along with your own ingenuity to squeeze everything possible out of it. personally, i wouldn't compete against a V8 in your quest, i would compete against other V6's 1/4 mi times. if you happen to blow 8's away...then awesome! there is always somebody out there faster than you in either a 4, 6 or 8 cyl. its not all about HP...you need to generate the TQ to get you moving if you really want to contend...and that is where the issue is...TQ. the LT has an awesome flat TQ curve, its just getting that number up that is a challenge when competing against modern day muscle.

400HP cars blow away +600HP cars more than you might think. those are just dyno numbers.

just my .02 good luck on your quest

btw...got my 2SS/RS with 15,000 mi for $28,800. cheaper than my 2LT V6.

[ihaveacamaro]

Originally Posted by POWERFREAK

oh....ok. 1) not very hard...can be done in your garage w/ basic tools in an afternoon. 2) from what I've seen used differentials going for...not all that expensive. You're gonna loose more $$ on a trade in and what if you really want an A6???

This seriously contradicts a lot of what I've read in Apex Chase's threads about gears... lemme see if I can find any links

[NYJets77]

One would think that the insurance would be cheaper on a V6 with mods than an SS or ZL1, ESPECIALLY for those not married and under 40.

But if money is no object, then save for a ZL1.

[Goo]

Originally Posted by ihaveacamaro

This seriously contradicts a lot of what I've read in Apex Chase's threads about gears... lemme see if I can find any links

I think POWERFREAK is talking about a differential swap and you may be thinking gears. Two very different jobs...

[POWERFREAK]

Originally Posted by Goo

I think POWERFREAK is talking about a differential swap and you may be thinking gears. Two very different jobs...

Yes...originally i was commenting on swapping in an SS differential into a v6. A diff swap is just a little easier then gear swap.

[ihaveacamaro]

Originally Posted by POWERFREAK

Yes...originally i was commenting on swapping in an SS differential into a v6. A diff swap is just a little easier then gear swap.

I'm actually talking about both... I found the links:

Guy asking about the dif swap from v6 a6: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...6&postcount=20

Apex Chase reply: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...1&postcount=22

He says it's not simple AND custom fabrication will have to be made.

translation = lots of time, money and not easy... which is what I had posted earlier.



Extra info:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...9&postcount=18

Gears being difficult to install:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...4&postcount=21

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...0&postcount=87

[POWERFREAK]

Originally Posted by ihaveacamaro

I'm actually talking about both... I found the links:

Guy asking about the dif swap from v6 a6: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...6&postcount=20

Apex Chase reply: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...1&postcount=22

He says it's not simple, AND custom fabrication will have to be made.

translation = lots of time, money and not easy... which is what I had posted earlier.



Extra info:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...9&postcount=18

Gears being difficult to install:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...4&postcount=21

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...0&postcount=87

wow, throwing links at me. There's no real info there, just more speculation. I may be selling my stock setup to someone w/ a v6-a6...so we'll find out. I know he researched it and there's no custom fabrication.

I know gears are not an easy swap...I've seen it done...and I know swapping diff's is not otherwise difficult...I've done it.

Maybe i should just stay off the V6 forum, because whatever I tell you, you wont believe anyway.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

If it were mine, I would do headers, axleback and the new Supercharger for the 3.6. That would give you the kick in the pants feel you want. I'm guessing $6500 would buy the parts and installs at least another $1500. Just my opinion. The best I've seen with the usual bolt ons minus a SC has been around 14.2 ET and a bone stock SS may run 13 to 13.6 or so. With the SC, the V6 would surely break into the 13s and could get mid 13s with a good driver.

We have V6s with just bolt ons and tunes running into the mid to high 13s.

Also, a V6 with a SC and NO other mods (not even tires) ran a 13 flat. Add tires and suspension and your looking at 12s easy!!

Originally Posted by hapisok

HEAVILY (FI) modding a V6 (NOT INCLUDING NOS) will get you close to a STOCK SS...but how are you going to contend with one that is other than stock? i just dyno'd my SS (stock) and already put down 381hp/383tq at the wheels. CAI and tune will put me over 400...headers...TB...IM...CAM...and end up somewhere close to 475-490. not even mentioning FI.

you need to ask yourself what your REALLY want. a bad ass V6 that contends with other vehicles of a similar class. how much $$$/HP you are willing to invest to achieve your goal. and what do you have to prove to a V8?

it won't just be engine mods (CAI, TB, ported IM, insulator, ported heads, CAM, headers, tune, possibly running E85), you'll also need suspension to help plant that power, tires, gearing, weight reduction, 18" rims helps eliminate rotational mass...it goes on.

the mods should be fun in and of itself...pushing the limits of your car along with your own ingenuity to squeeze everything possible out of it. personally, i wouldn't compete against a V8 in your quest, i would compete against other V6's 1/4 mi times. if you happen to blow 8's away...then awesome! there is always somebody out there faster than you in either a 4, 6 or 8 cyl. its not all about HP...you need to generate the TQ to get you moving if you really want to contend...and that is where the issue is...TQ. the LT has an awesome flat TQ curve, its just getting that number up that is a challenge when competing against modern day muscle.

400HP cars blow away +600HP cars more than you might think. those are just dyno numbers.

just my .02 good luck on your quest

btw...got my 2SS/RS with 15,000 mi for $28,800. cheaper than my 2LT V6.

If you want to be competting with modern V8s with a V6 then FI is the simple and best answer. With a FI, tires, suspension V6 you should have a car capable of mid to low 12s which is perfectly capable of giving compeition to a header/cammed V8. In fact, I feel like some of these turbo cars should even be capable of sqeaking out 11s. If they can take a Mustang V6, throw bolt ons, tires and a SC on it and run 10s why the heck can't we at least see high 11s????

But as for doing N/A bolt ons, a full bolt on V6 with tires is still likely going to be a tad slower than a completely stock SS, but it shouldn't be a complete slaughter either. I know we see a lot of fairly modded V6s still running 14s, but then you have someone like 67GTO who consistently runs mid 13s with his V6 without all bolt ons (does use DRs though).

Hapi, you car dynoing at 380 is great and is probably about the highest rwhp number I've seen from a stock V8. Not sure if that is accurate or you just have a generous dyno. Most manuals I've seen dyno in the 360 to 370 range and autos dyno somewhere between 320 to 340.

[ihaveacamaro]

Originally Posted by POWERFREAK

wow, throwing links at me. There's no real info there, just more speculation. I may be selling my stock setup to someone w/ a v6-a6...so we'll find out. I know he researched it and there's no custom fabrication.

I know gears are not an easy swap...I've seen it done...and I know swapping diff's is not otherwise difficult...I've done it.

Maybe i should just stay off the V6 forum, because whatever I tell you, you wont believe anyway.

I don't know why you said that last part, kind of unnecessary if you ask me... don't know how being on a v6 forum has to do with believing anything.

Also, I never said I didn't believe you either, I just said that what I read contradicts what you are saying, that's all.

As far as speculation, I think that Apex Chase knows what he's talking about, but yeah it is speculation, but this is the first time I have ever heard of it being easier than he thought.

Let me know if the guy you sell it to has no problems, I am curious to know what happens. Also, I am curious to know if the custom fabrication is true or not also

It's not that I don't believe you, it's just that there is no info on it. You said I wasn't throwing any info, just speculation. Well you said your potential customer has researched it (meaning he hasn't done it either), which means he is speculating too.

Let me know how it works out, and I will believe you.

[MagnumForceGB]

Didn't Gretchen do a V8 auto diff swap to his car?

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by MagnumForceGB

Didn't Gretchen do a V8 auto diff swap to his car?

Yes I did, and I wasn't the first. You have to make some changes to connect the drive shaft. Everything I've seen indicates the differential for the M6 on the SS and the LS/LTs are the same (identical part numbers if I remember right), so you would have to make that change which ever route you took. Seems to me you are more likely to find an SS differential than a LS/LT one for sale because more of them are modding up to power levels that require a better pumpking.

[POWERFREAK]

Originally Posted by ihaveacamaro

I don't know why you said that last part, kind of unnecessary if you ask me... don't know how being on a v6 forum has to do with believing anything.

Also, I never said I didn't believe you either, I just said that what I read contradicts what you are saying, that's all.

As far as speculation, I think that Apex Chase knows what he's talking about, but yeah it is speculation, but this is the first time I have ever heard of it being easier than he thought.

Let me know if the guy you sell it to has no problems, I am curious to know what happens. Also, I am curious to know if the custom fabrication is true or not also

It's not that I don't believe you, it's just that there is no info on it. You said I wasn't throwing any info, just speculation. Well you said your potential customer has researched it (meaning he hasn't done it either), which means he is speculating too.

Let me know how it works out, and I will believe you.

here's a link for you... Like I said...change the driveshaft coupler, add SS hubs, axles and diff to a LT/LS A6. Shouldn't be more then a days worth of work (or less), a 6 pack of beer and minimal cursing.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...ifferential+v6

[hapisok]

i agree...the best way to compete will be FI. but are you talking 1/4mi times or around a track? being lighter is a definite advantage and if you can get your TQ up there then you'll be giving them a run for their money for sure!

KM...i agree that my numbers are up there. the first 2 pulls were 381 and the 3rd was 374. definitely not a generous dyno as they said they typically see 360-370's consistently. not to mention the owner of the shop has a LLT and SS. same dyno i did all the previous testing on with the V6 for MACE and Tracy. oh well...it is what it is...just a number.

[lscamaro]

Hey power freak, if you sell it, ill buy it. It's not that hard to do the swap. I'll get it done. Many have done and a few have even done it on jackstands in the garage. It's a two day job if your being overly careful

[POWERFREAK]

Originally Posted by lscamaro

Hey power freak, if you sell it, ill buy it. It's not that hard to do the swap. I'll get it done. Many have done and a few have even done it on jackstands in the garage. It's a two day job if your being overly careful

will let you know. I might have a local buyer (don't really want to have to pack it all up to ship)...I have a complete setup w/ 4.10 gears and pfadt bushings (with ss axles and ds). I did a 9" swap.

[ihaveacamaro]

Originally Posted by POWERFREAK

here's a link for you... Like I said...change the driveshaft coupler, add SS hubs, axles and diff to a LT/LS A6. Shouldn't be more then a days worth of work (or less), a 6 pack of beer and minimal cursing.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...ifferential+v6

Thanks never seen that thread before, learned something new

But ouch the guy paid $2020 and that doesn't include labor since he self installed

Either way, thanks for the info

[POWERFREAK]

Originally Posted by ihaveacamaro

Thanks never seen that thread before, learned something new

But ouch the guy paid $2020 and that doesn't include labor since he self installed :confused006:

Either way, thanks for the info

yes, he overpaid....the parts can be had for about half that if not less.

[lscamaro]

It can be self installed so saving on labor would be the big money saver.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by hapisok

KM...i agree that my numbers are up there. the first 2 pulls were 381 and the 3rd was 374. definitely not a generous dyno as they said they typically see 360-370's consistently. not to mention the owner of the shop has a LLT and SS. same dyno i did all the previous testing on with the V6 for MACE and Tracy. oh well...it is what it is...just a number.

Might just be a number...but they are some damn good numbers lol. Congrats.

[SC2150]

We do the entire swap with diff/axles/hubs/driveshaft for less then what he spent....

[Goo]

Originally Posted by E.T.

...I got mine from Lingenfelter, and they mention this on their site, "The V8 differential can be adapted to the V6 vehicles but it requires new half shafts and a new driveshaft."

I think they also make 3.90 or 3.91 or something...

http://www.lingenfelter.com/mm5/merc...gory_Code=C366

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

Yes I did, and I wasn't the first. You have to make some changes to connect the drive shaft. Everything I've seen indicates the differential for the M6 on the SS and the LS/LTs are the same (identical part numbers if I remember right), so you would have to make that change which ever route you took. Seems to me you are more likely to find an SS differential than a LS/LT one for sale because more of them are modding up to power levels that require a better pumpking.

So, is Lingenfelter kinda correct? As far as needing "new half shafts and a new driveshaft" if you have a V6 manual? Sounds like they don't realize a V6 M6 differential is the same as an SS...