opened case with GM about a buyback or replacement for my 3wk old 45th vert

[themoneypit]

@rangomr, its just a matter of time buddy, its just a matter of time.... unless of course you got lucky and yours was produced after 3/12 then maybe you have the newer style roof and mechanism.

it goes to the dealer tomorrow, they have secured me a camaro convert as a loaner to use till all these issues are taken care of (cant wait to see the top on that one, its an enterprise rental). i told GM, and the dealer, that if they just attempt to replace the top fabric, and not the whole assembly, then they will be buying it back when the symptoms return. pretty much told them this is their last chance to make it right, or im done with GM forever. so we will see what happens once its there... i really really LOVE my 45th vert, and dont want to have it bought back, just want what i paid for! i honestly dont see any other verts on the road that i would prefer over a camaro...

[strych9]

Originally Posted by whidobie

Why should anyone settle for less than perfection regardless of investment or not. You spend $40,000 + you would expect a perfect paint job.

I would if I bought a Ford, but not with Chevy.

Originally Posted by evlar

These cars are not investments as they depreciate in value quicker than Lehman Bros stock did.

+1

Originally Posted by sternfan69

Paint should not be a problem with a new car period.

Agreed. But GM paint is pure crap. Mine spent 3 weeks at the dealer getting paint/finish issues corrected. Looks fantastic now, but lets chat in three years and I'll give you an update.

[Camarowguy]

Why didn't you look the car over before you signed papers? Just wondering.





I bet you will next time........

[themoneypit]

Originally Posted by Camarowguy

Why didn't you look the car over before you signed papers? Just wondering.





I bet you will next time........

i did look it over, but it was an overcast and rainy on/off day when i picked it up. the paint problem wasnt noticeable until it was in direct sunlight the next day, or second day i had it i dont remember which...

besides, when i look over a new car, i look for scratches, dings, wheel scuffs, and such. i NEVER thought i would have to bring a paint thickness meter to look over a new car... ive owned about 8 brand new cars, and never had one delivered with a sub-par factory paint job... until i bought a new chevy anyhow LOL

[themoneypit]

its at the dealer now, i got a 2012 v6 a/t vert as a loaner. built 04/12, and NO RUB MARKS OR PINCH MARKS that i can see. supposedly, they have already ordered a complete new assembly for mine (but i doubt that since they hadnt seen it in person yet), and are going to do the complete replacement. along with fixing the quarter panel, door window, checking for an oil leak, and a few other misc things.

i downloaded the onstar app to my droid, and can monitor the mileage, fuel, and a few other things on my car while its there. i would strongly recommend that to anyone who has to leave their car for an extended period of time at the dealer.

[Camarowguy]

Originally Posted by themoneypit

i did look it over, but it was an overcast and rainy on/off day when i picked it up. the paint problem wasnt noticeable until it was in direct sunlight the next day, or second day i had it i dont remember which...

besides, when i look over a new car, i look for scratches, dings, wheel scuffs, and such. i NEVER thought i would have to bring a paint thickness meter to look over a new car... ive owned about 8 brand new cars, and never had one delivered with a sub-par factory paint job... until i bought a new chevy anyhow LOL

True, I guess you don't really expect them not to put enough paint on it.

[Michael Rophone]

Originally Posted by themoneypit

its at the dealer now...and can monitor the mileage, fuel, and a few other things on my car while its there...

My brother drops his Corvette off for routine maintenance at Chevy in the morning. Wife drives him to the local fast food restaurant for lunch together midday. His Corvette pulls up (fast & hard) with two techs in it...picking up lunch orders for the rest of the service techs back at the dealership.

[DRKS1D3]

Originally Posted by Michael Rophone

My brother drops his Corvette off for routine maintenance at Chevy in the morning. Wife drives him to the local fast food restaurant for lunch together midday. His Corvette pulls up (fast & hard) with two techs in it...picking up lunch orders for the rest of the service techs back at the dealership.

This happens more than people think. My cousin bought a brand new WS6 Trans AM in 2002 (Black, 6 speed) for a weekend driver. He took it to the dealer for a routine service. When he picked it up, there was over 100 miles put on it and burnt rubber under the wheel wells. Needless to say, there was HELL to pay!

[themoneypit]

yep, it sure does... and that my friends is why i have that onstar app on my droid. if that was the case with me, i wouldnt touch the car, and take tons of photos, and even get the police involved. i can see a few miles (less than 10) to test drive it after fixing something, but i would SNAP if there were 100 miles on my car and rubber in the wheel wells!!!

i wish they gave you a "valet" key that puts the car in limp mode or something when you drop it off for valet parking (or at the dealer) so things like that wouldnt/couldnt happen.

[bambam72_1999]

So I just got back from seeing the district service manager about the rub marks on my top. He says rub marks are normal, and wont even consider replacing just the top until the rub marks turn into holes! I said normal for a 40K car? Then I mentioned the whole new mechanism that is out and he said I dont think that will fit this car! R u kidding me??? All this and they know I have a GM case number but he doesnt seem to care. First American car in 10 years and now I remember why!!! What do I do to get this resolved without going through the Lemon Law or getting BBB involved. I really like the car but not all the issues.

[themoneypit]

Originally Posted by bambam72_1999

So I just got back from seeing the district service manager about the rub marks on my top. He says rub marks are normal, and wont even consider replacing just the top until the rub marks turn into holes! I said normal for a 40K car? Then I mentioned the whole new mechanism that is out and he said I dont think that will fit this car! R u kidding me??? All this and they know I have a GM case number but he doesnt seem to care. First American car in 10 years and now I remember why!!! What do I do to get this resolved without going through the Lemon Law or getting BBB involved. I really like the car but not all the issues.

wait until you have holes and maybe by then they will have a better solution out?? mine has a hole starting behind the window, so im DYING to know what the heck they are going to do... im not going to hound them, or continually call, ill wait until i hear from them... then decide my next step. i have no idea how long the body shop will have mine, and if they will do the top and other issues before or after it goes there. whatever, ill keep beeting on the loaner until they get in touch with me. another reason im not hounding them, is because every day they have it, its one step closer to the lemon law being in affect if i need to go that route...

[skipinminn]

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHY I bought a COUPE Thanks guys

[bambam72_1999]

The district service manager called and said he will offer me a letter that says he will stand behind the top until 5yr or 100K, but they are not going to do anything else until it becomes holes. Also, the passenger rear window actuator issue is being resolved like this... I can go on the lot to the new camaro convertibles and cycle the windows up and down and which ever actuator I want, they will take it out of the new car and put my faulty on into a brand new car!!! What is that about???

[Bonanza7]

Originally Posted by themoneypit

wait until you have holes and maybe by then they will have a better solution out?? mine has a hole starting behind the window, so im DYING to know what the heck they are going to do... im not going to hound them, or continually call, ill wait until i hear from them... then decide my next step. i have no idea how long the body shop will have mine, and if they will do the top and other issues before or after it goes there. whatever, ill keep beeting on the loaner until they get in touch with me. another reason im not hounding them, is because every day they have it, its one step closer to the lemon law being in affect if i need to go that route...

FYI...I had a couple of Cavalier converts, and they had the same rub marks/holes problem. The tech said he would turn his back, and if I took a pencil and poked the rub marks into holes, he could replace the top. Even the new top only lasted about a year. Bought an after market one after that second one went south, and it lasted something like 8 years before I sold it, with the top still looking new.

[themoneypit]

Originally Posted by bambam72_1999

The district service manager called and said he will offer me a letter that says he will stand behind the top until 5yr or 100K, but they are not going to do anything else until it becomes holes. Also, the passenger rear window actuator issue is being resolved like this... I can go on the lot to the new camaro convertibles and cycle the windows up and down and which ever actuator I want, they will take it out of the new car and put my faulty on into a brand new car!!! What is that about???

well there ya go, what are u complaining about?? that 5yr 100k he is talking about is probably going to be for the "body systems" and will include the top, mechanics, window motors/regulators, and more. most are only getting 4/65k, so consider yourself lucky. then use the heck out of the top until you have holes or fifth bow disease, or both, and bring it in and get it all replaced. i would be happy with that outcome. if possible, can you email me a copy of the letter when you get it? thanks

[bambam72_1999]

The problem with the warranty extension is I already bout the 7yr/84k warranty and the warranty he is offering is just for the canvass top! I also only drive this car on good weather weekends, so I will never hit the mileage as I have had the car 9 months and only have 4K miles. So the 100K warranty on only the canvass top is extremely disappointing to me.

[Michael Rophone]

Originally Posted by skipinminn

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHY I bought a COUPE Thanks guys

Careful, big guy. Don't get too relaxed.
You're in better shape, but you're not out of the woods with a coupe.
Trust me; I had one.

[themoneypit]

Originally Posted by Michael Rophone

Careful, big guy. Don't get too relaxed.
You're in better shape, but you're not out of the woods with a coupe.
Trust me; I had one.

yup, so did i... traded up to this lemon. just as many problems with the coupes, sans the top problems... but just wait, youll have window problems, oil leaks, and more.. oh the joys of buying an american car... like the saying goes, u can polish up a turd, but... its still a turd.

[bambam72_1999]

Great saying! I havent owned an American car in over 10 years because the quality issues compared to my dd which is a Honda Accord and my wife's dd which is a honda civic. We also have a Honda Pilot for family outings. My dd has 130K and only been in the shop for routine maintanance and one computer reprogram on the air bag sensor, and I have owned it 6 years, same with my wife's civic which is 6 years old as well, only have had to take it in for sunvisors to be replaced. Nothing on the Pilot! I have owned my Camaro almost 9 months and it has been in the shop 8 times! I love the Camaros look and all, but not all the issues. The last American car I owned was a 99 Z28, which I loved.

Originally Posted by themoneypit

yup, so did i... traded up to this lemon. just as many problems with the coupes, sans the top problems... but just wait, youll have window problems, oil leaks, and more.. oh the joys of buying an american car... like the saying goes, u can polish up a turd, but... its still a turd.

[hightower]

Sorry to hear all your trouble man! :(


It'll be hard to find another 45th 'vert. They're out there still, so maybe you can hunt, but you might have the same issues.

[Michael Rophone]

Originally Posted by bambam72_1999

We also have a Honda Pilot for family outings...I love the Camaro's look and all, but not all the issues.

Agreed.
My dd is an '11 Ridgeline. The fit-and-finish has declined since my '06, but no service problems and it takes a royal beating.

I'm treating this Camaro with TLC , but I know she's going to clobber me when I least expect it.

[themoneypit]

Originally Posted by hightower

Sorry to hear all your trouble man! :(


It'll be hard to find another 45th 'vert. They're out there still, so maybe you can hunt, but you might have the same issues.

to be honest, i LOVE my 45th vert, i doubt i would find another ss 6spd thou... if i found one built after 03/12 id take another chance... but i tell ya this loaner vert i got isnt all that bad for an automatic v6.. built 04/12, top is perfect w/6k miles on it, and with it in "S" sport mode shift i dont mind driving it, and averaging 20mpg beating on it HAHA. theres a 2lt 45th vert in the showroom now where my car is, i didnt look to check its production date thou. can u imagine if i downgraded from a 2010 ss/rs coupe to a 2012 ss 45th vert, and ended up in a 2lt automatic????

[xx_ED_xx]

me personally I would never in my life buy a convertible. For this exact reason
you cant expect a fabric top to seal like a hard top and still be flexible, it isnt going to happen.

[themoneypit]

Originally Posted by xx_ED_xx

me personally I would never in my life buy a convertible. For this exact reason
you cant expect a fabric top to seal like a hard top and still be flexible, it isnt going to happen.

ive had half a dozen verts, and never problems like this on any of them.
had 67 rs vert
88 iroc vert
94 cutlass vert
06 solara vert
66 olds 88 vert
and now this one

theres nothing better than being topless IMO!! and my next car (who knows what yet...) will also be a vert