Discouraged

[robotfighter]

Anyone have a pic of their clear bra installed so I can see if it is noticeable? How much does something like that run?

[Dtrimpi87]

Originally Posted by JEEPFREEKSCOTTY

Makes me wonder how much a respray of the same color paint would be from a body shop who does it correctly?

A full repaint? Around 3-5k for quality work. Ill be shopping around getting quotes to get mine repainted in the next few weeks so ill know more exact numbers soon.

Sent from the rocket in my pocket, my all powerful DROID BIONIC.

[tsquare2112]

I just noticed this week the paint is flaking off of the back side of my doors, where the skin "creases" to turn in on the back side. Going into the dealer next week. VERY frustrating!

[Infinite-T]

Originally Posted by robotfighter

Anyone have a pic of their clear bra installed so I can see if it is noticeable? How much does something like that run?

I was quoted 750 for full front facia, partial front fenders and rear fender flares. Its close to about 1600 to cover the front bumper, hood, front fenders and rear quater panels.

By the time I was ready to put a clear bra on my front end, they guy told me it was too late the front bumper already had too much road rash and covering it would not be good. That was when I had about 1600 miles on it!

Eventually ill have the whole front facia repainted, then bra'd.. The bra only lasts about 5-7 years though.

[Infinite-T]

Originally Posted by 1BADLS3

Guys, I'm not kidding about the effect that tire compounds have on destroying paint within reach of sand and grit they can fling off. It's real. I've owned more than enough cars to test this theory including 5 other Camaros of various years.

My 4th gen V6's - not really a problem with an all-season tire compound which is much harder than a summer tire. My 4th Gen Z28's with Eagle F1 z-rated summer performance tires -- Yep, instant road rash.

It's really my front facia thats the worst, so going by your expaination I must consistantly drive at freeway speeds in reverse if it's "fling up" from my tires thats causing it.

[ShowSStopper]

Originally Posted by 1BADLS3

If that's the final ruling, well, that sucks. I'm sorry it didn't work out.

I don't know the whole story, but these cars, like other performance cars, have some "genetic" problems. And by "genetic" I mean, their purpose is to go fast. So, they sit low to the ground where the lowest parts are more prone to being hit with rocks, stones, road debris, road spray, tar, sand, etc. Additionally, the tire compounds, esp on the Pirellis, is such that all that stuff sticks to it, and then it gets flung off in every direction--right at the paint on the rockers, edges of the fender wells, ground effects, etc.

It's unfortunate, but it's kind of the way it is. If the car is driven, it's going to show wear.

If it's any consolation, my dad races. He put a pristine MG-B (little british roadster) out on the track with a brand new paint job. And it's got GOOD paint, LOTS of clear, professionally done, and it's got all the same issues. It really has to do with the tire compounds and the stuff that gets flung up off the tires. Nothing will stop it, not the best paint or clearcoat in the world, short of shooting the bottom half of the car with rhino lining.

The Camaro is a great car, and I don't see a relatively minor paint issue a reason to discredit 35 years of GM ownership or to discredit the car entirely, or disparage a car and a company that you've liked for so long. But, that's your choice, not mine. To me, the sour grapes wouldn't be worth it.

You don't, by chance, work for the General do you?

It kills me that some people cant just admit this is a problem. We arent driving these cars on a racetrack. Pirellis are soft compound tires yes. That's IRRELEVANT. Do you see BMW M3s with paint issues? My 99 Mustang GT looked like NEW at 110k miles and I ran soft compound tires (Nittos) on that car the whole time.

I'm sorry, but I've had my car for six months. It's got 2k miles on it and the paint shows 50k miles of wear.

The. Paint. Sucks.

GM needs to stop making excuses and start making solutions.

[Infinite-T]

Originally Posted by Wicked 6

GM needs to stop making excuses and start making solutions.

You sir, have just won the internet!

[ShowSStopper]

Originally Posted by Infinite-T

You sir, have just won the internet!

Yes! Just what I always wanted! Haha.

[InfernoSS454]

Originally Posted by Wicked 6

You don't, by chance, work for the General do you?

It kills me that some people cant just admit this is a problem. We arent driving these cars on a racetrack. Pirellis are soft compound tires yes. That's IRRELEVANT. Do you see BMW M3s with paint issues? My 99 Mustang GT looked like NEW at 110k miles and I ran soft compound tires (Nittos) on that car the whole time.

I'm sorry, but I've had my car for six months. It's got 2k miles on it and the paint shows 50k miles of wear.

The. Paint. Sucks.

GM needs to stop making excuses and start making solutions.

+1

[Tysen]

Originally Posted by Wicked 6

You don't, by chance, work for the General do you?

It kills me that some people cant just admit this is a problem. We arent driving these cars on a racetrack. Pirellis are soft compound tires yes. That's IRRELEVANT. Do you see BMW M3s with paint issues? My 99 Mustang GT looked like NEW at 110k miles and I ran soft compound tires (Nittos) on that car the whole time.

I'm sorry, but I've had my car for six months. It's got 2k miles on it and the paint shows 50k miles of wear.

The. Paint. Sucks.

GM needs to stop making excuses and start making solutions.

[GEEKFREEKSCOTTY]

Originally Posted by Wicked 6

Yes! Just what I always wanted! Haha.

You get this as a bonus prize:

[1BADLS3]

Originally Posted by Wicked 6

You don't, by chance, work for the General do you?

It kills me that some people cant just admit this is a problem. We arent driving these cars on a racetrack. Pirellis are soft compound tires yes. That's IRRELEVANT. Do you see BMW M3s with paint issues? My 99 Mustang GT looked like NEW at 110k miles and I ran soft compound tires (Nittos) on that car the whole time.

I'm sorry, but I've had my car for six months. It's got 2k miles on it and the paint shows 50k miles of wear.

The. Paint. Sucks.

GM needs to stop making excuses and start making solutions.

I think I remember you sounding overly sure of yourself in another thread. Cool your jets, dude, we're all enthusiasts. My condolences to you, though, for owning a Ford.

Road rash is achievable on any car. My other driver is an Audi S4 and it's only got 22,000 miles. Guess what--rock chips and sandblasting aplenty, but Audi mitigated some of that with the design. It's got a lot of non-painted surfaces up front, and big moldings at the rockers to catch the spray of debris from the tires. It wasn't a cheap car.

Camaro paint--maybe not the best, but I just don't see it as a "March on Washington" issue, especially for those that drive their cars daily. Don't want rock chips or road rash? Don't drive the car, period. Life is short, the car isn't going to last forever. Interesting point though, my SS has 6k on it and I don't seem to have those issues. Maybe the white is a harder paint?

A while back...and now I'm realizing some of you are too young to remember...there was a HUGE paint fiasco in the 1980's with water-based paints being used on GM cars/trucks. The stuff would peel off in sheets. The lawsuit was finally settled in the early 90's, covering a full repaint at no cost to the owners of the affected vehicles for something like 5 years. The settlement was MASSIVE.

So there...if you're REALLY upset...go start a class action lawsuit, since that's how we settle things in America. Otherwise, you're free to sit here and rub sand in your private parts about it.

[ShowSStopper]

Originally Posted by 1BADLS3

I think I remember you sounding overly sure of yourself in another thread. Cool your jets, dude, we're all enthusiasts. My condolences to you, though, for owning a Ford.

Road rash is achievable on any car. My other driver is an Audi S4 and it's only got 22,000 miles. Guess what--rock chips and sandblasting aplenty, but Audi mitigated some of that with the design. It's got a lot of non-painted surfaces up front, and big moldings at the rockers to catch the spray of debris from the tires. It wasn't a cheap car.

Camaro paint--maybe not the best, but I just don't see it as a "March on Washington" issue, especially for those that drive their cars daily. Don't want rock chips or road rash? Don't drive the car, period. Life is short, the car isn't going to last forever. Interesting point though, my SS has 6k on it and I don't seem to have those issues. Maybe the white is a harder paint?

A while back...and now I'm realizing some of you are too young to remember...there was a HUGE paint fiasco in the 1980's with water-based paints being used on GM cars/trucks. The stuff would peel off in sheets. The lawsuit was finally settled in the early 90's, covering a full repaint at no cost to the owners of the affected vehicles for something like 5 years. The settlement was MASSIVE.

So there...if you're REALLY upset...go start a class action lawsuit, since that's how we settle things in America. Otherwise, you're free to sit here and rub sand in your private parts about it.

1. I'm not overly sure of myself. I just don't open my mouth until i know what I'm talking about. As for me owning a Ford, I've owned a ton. Cobras, GTs, Mach 1s....no paint issues on any of them.

2. So by your logic, every car on the road has road rash. Yet, somehow, you say your SS has avoided that, despite the fact that to avoid it you say not to drive the car yet have achieved 6k miles without incident by some act of God huh? You counter your own ill-concieved points. This isn't a personal issue with me. There are TONS of people putting up with crappy, cheap paint with paper-thin clear coat. That shouldn't happen for the price of these cars.

You're right about one thing....the lawsuits. In America, that is exactly how we settle things. Companies like GM put out a shit product for a premium price and hope that blind brand followers will outshout the people who have issues. They only listen when a group of people finally take them to court, and that's sad. Do you know how many companies settle outside of court on class suits? Do you know why that is? Because they KNOW they are shafting people and would rather pay a little to the consumer and alot to the lawyers to keep their name out of the papers.

The craftsmanship on this car is par...the paint is definitely NOT. And I should not have to park my $30k car under a protective cover in my garage and wipe it with a damn diaper three times a week because it isn't tough enough to do what it was supposedly built to do: drive on a public road.

Here....you can have your soapbox back.

[1BADLS3]

Originally Posted by Wicked 6

1. I'm not overly sure of myself. O just don't open my mouth until i know what I'm talking about. As for me owning a Ford, I've owned a ton. Cobras, GTs, Mach 1s....no paint issues on any of them.

2. So by your logic, every car on the road has road rash. Yet, somehow, you say your SS has avoided that, despite the fact that to avoid it you say not to drive the car yet have achieved 6k miles without incident by some act of God huh? You counter your own ill-concieved points. This isn't a personal issue with me. There are TONS of people putting up with crappy, cheap paint with paper-thin clear coat. That shouldn't happen for the price of these cars.

You're right about one thing....the lawsuits. In America, that is exactly how we settle things. Companies like GM put out a shit product for a premium price and hope that blind brand followers will outshout the people who have issues. They only listen when a group of people finally take them to court, and that's sad. Do you know how many companies settle outside of court on class suits? Do you know why that is? Because they KNOW they are shafting people and would rather pay a little to the consumer and alot to the lawyers to keep their name out of the papers.

The craftsmanship on this car is par...the paint is definitely NOT. And I should not have to park my $30k car under a protective cover in my garage and wipe it with a damn diaper three times a week because it isn't tough enough to do what it was supposedly built to do: drive on a public road.

Here....you can have your soapbox back.

All bark, no bite. Go do something about it. Think you're going to solve anything by trying to sound "right" on a message board? Oh, grasshopper...

Nope...haven't had said paint issues on my SS, but....I'll bet it's coming! The car really hasn't been driven much in the 18 months I've owned it.

[lionofjudea]

Originally Posted by 1BADLS3

All bark, no bite. Go do something about it. Think you're going to solve anything by trying to sound "right" on a message board? Oh, grasshopper...

Nope...haven't had said paint issues on my SS, but....I'll bet it's coming! The car really hasn't been driven much in the 18 months I've owned it.

If your as old as you say you are than act like it!!!!

[zandron263]

[/QUOTE]A while back...and now I'm realizing some of you are too young to remember...there was a HUGE paint fiasco in the 1980's with water-based paints being used on GM cars/trucks. The stuff would peel off in sheets. The lawsuit was finally settled in the early 90's, covering a full repaint at no cost to the owners of the affected vehicles for something like 5 years. The settlement was MASSIVE.

So there...if you're REALLY upset...go start a class action lawsuit, since that's how we settle things in America. Otherwise, you're free to sit here and rub sand in your private parts about it.[/QUOTE]

You are correct about this paint fiasco. I had a 1990 Camaro and the large areas of the paint would just flake off the hood and roof. We bought it new and in 1993 it was completely repainted by GM at no cost to me. I owned that Camaro until last year and never had another issue after that repaint. At that time the dealer told us it was a problem with the primer that was causing the paint to not adhere to it.

I have a few chips in the new Camaro but nothing too severe typical wear based on the amount I drive it I would say.

[Fiveg56]

Originally Posted by Chevrolet Customer Svc

I'm terribly sorry to hear about all of this yellowbee. If your dealer is unable to help you let me know and I'll do what I can to assist with this.

Jeff Morris, Chevrolet Customer Service

Hey...Jeff is back...Hi Jeff!

[ShowSStopper]

Originally Posted by 1BADLS3

All bark, no bite. Go do something about it. Think you're going to solve anything by trying to sound "right" on a message board? Oh, grasshopper...

Nope...haven't had said paint issues on my SS, but....I'll bet it's coming! The car really hasn't been driven much in the 18 months I've owned it.

Alot of us ARE trying to do something about it.

Unfortunately, GM isn't willing to do a thing to help out.

Keep your "grasshopper" crap for someone who doesn't work in the industry and know it inside and out. K? Thx.

[ShowSStopper]

Originally Posted by lionofjudea

If your as old as you say you are than act like it!!!!

[cbass]

So there...if you're REALLY upset...go start a class action lawsuit, since that's how we settle things in America.

Unfortunately, sometimes that's the only thing that works after a company ignores you and your problems.

[1BADLS3]

Originally Posted by lionofjudea

If your as old as you say you are than act like it!!!!

It's you're. And then.

Originally Posted by cbass

Unfortunately, sometimes that's the only thing that works after a company ignores you and your problems.

I totally agree!

[skuttduck]

Originally Posted by yellowbee

I have a 2011 Yellow 2ss with ground effects package and got it last november and at 4000kms the paint started washing away in the fender wells especially on the ground effects package. I recently washed it by hand and found all kids of chipping on the front spoiler and on the sides where the fake vents are. Took it to 2 dealers that said it is road rash and it is more like road wash away as if no clear coat was put on.

Originally Posted by yellowbee

Management at GM Canada has chosen to support the decision of Peter Smith GM and have me pay 1100.00 dollars to get my problem taken care of and I told the lady that this is my last GM product and It will cost them way more than the money they would have paid for the paint in publicity. I am not getting my car fixed and will make a point of showing the problems to everybody who wants to buy a camaro in the future. I told the lady that she just stepped over a dollar to pick up a dime.

Forgive me if I am wrong. I seem to recall a TSB when I first joined this site in 2009 about the warranty of Ground Effects. Since they were all one color, GM didn't warranty those because they were painted after the fact.

Sounds like this might be why.

[InfernoSS454]

Originally Posted by 1BADLS3

I think I remember you sounding overly sure of yourself in another thread. Cool your jets, dude, we're all enthusiasts. My condolences to you, though, for owning a Ford.

Road rash is achievable on any car. My other driver is an Audi S4 and it's only got 22,000 miles. Guess what--rock chips and sandblasting aplenty, but Audi mitigated some of that with the design. It's got a lot of non-painted surfaces up front, and big moldings at the rockers to catch the spray of debris from the tires. It wasn't a cheap car.

Camaro paint--maybe not the best, but I just don't see it as a "March on Washington" issue, especially for those that drive their cars daily. Don't want rock chips or road rash? Don't drive the car, period. Life is short, the car isn't going to last forever. Interesting point though, my SS has 6k on it and I don't seem to have those issues. Maybe the white is a harder paint?

A while back...and now I'm realizing some of you are too young to remember...there was a HUGE paint fiasco in the 1980's with water-based paints being used on GM cars/trucks. The stuff would peel off in sheets. The lawsuit was finally settled in the early 90's, covering a full repaint at no cost to the owners of the affected vehicles for something like 5 years. The settlement was MASSIVE.

So there...if you're REALLY upset...go start a class action lawsuit, since that's how we settle things in America. Otherwise, you're free to sit here and rub sand in your private parts about it.

Dude the paint is cheap I rarely drive the car and can tell its cheap. Maybe not the paint itself but the way they applied it. It wudve been better to atleast do another clear coat.

[InfernoSS454]

And anything and I mean anything can easily cheap my paint. Why I dnt know I think like I said above they shudve put more clear coat on it.

[heRS]

I bought the quarter flares but since GM doesn't sell them in IBM I had a local paint guy mix me some up using dupont paints. The paint on the quarter flares is holding up way better than the paint on the rest of the car so yes, aftermarket paint will most likely hold up better. I plan to let the guy paint the whole car for me once I have it paid off.
I clear bra'd the front the same week I bought the car. Sooo glad I did, wish I'd done the gills too.