The absolute best...ish..?

[HufferSS]

Originally Posted by camslambam

If you want to run low 10s you're going to have to spend a LOT of money.

Truly hard cars to hook and not the best platform b/c of weight.

The better question is how much money are you willing to spend on this venture? I'd go with a centri blower or a single turbo if I were you. TVS2300 get maxed out too quickly.

A whipped in an A6 car will easily go bottom 10s with none of the hassle of the turbos......

Look at all the turbo kit horror stories popping up....you don't see the same types of threads with Whipples and Maggie's...at least as long as they are installed and tuned by someone with a clue.

My 2 cents.

[blufin]

My meager setup has managed 11.60's at around 122 mph. It's only 5-6 lbs of boost with plenty to go.

No, I don't think the TVS 2300 gets maxed out too soon. Just check out SuperchargedSS and his set up.

There is only about a 300 lb difference between the two cars. '13 GT 500 will be around 3850 and the SS is around 4100.

To run low 11's, it's easier than you think. Don't complicate things by just chasing a HP number that you think you need in order to beat him. Driver mod can make up for a HP deficit.

With nothing more than a pulley change for a few more lbs of boost, I can beat the '13 GT500 with stock tires, stock suspension, etc.

K.I.S.S. principle

[camslambam]

Superchargedss has more maggie upgrades than anyone else. Your regular Joe won't have the funds or ability to shell out 2 grand for upgrade + upgrade + upgrade.

Centri is the true way to go if you want to run 9s or 8s. I just don't see the TVS2300 ever being able to run in the 8s without spray. I mean I think the max power anyone has got out of them is like what 800rwhp? And that may even be stretching it.

[HufferSS]

Originally Posted by camslambam

Superchargedss has more maggie upgrades than anyone else. Your regular Joe won't have the funds or ability to shell out 2 grand for upgrade + upgrade + upgrade.

Centri is the true way to go if you want to run 9s or 8s. I just don't see the TVS2300 ever being able to run in the 8s without spray. I mean I think the max power anyone has got out of them is like what 800rwhp? And that may even be stretching it.

8s is a far cry from the 10s that this kid is dreaming about.

[bumblebeecamaro]

I would think that getting 600rwhp from an A6 would be very hard to do w/o a cam and valve train upgrade.

[blufin]

OP,
Initially you said you were looking for low 11's to beat the '500. Then you said that may not be enough once he get slicks, etc. It sounds like you guys may be chasing each other mod for mod.
It's gonna come down to who has the fattest wallet. There will always be someone quicker than you, no matter what your HP is.

[K32 Camaro]

Originally Posted by Fiftydriver

So what your saying is that you want to run with a car that has +650 crank HP and weighs 600-700 lbs less and has lower gears then your camaro and you want to beat him with just bolt ons......

Not a flame in any way but we need to be realistic. To get to the power level your asking I would think you would be very smart to do a cam and LS3 conversion. You may well be able to get the power level with a turbo or SC but what happens when you push the L99 valvetrain to the limits and you have a serious failure. Then the cam and LS3 conversion would be looking pretty cheap compared to a total engine rebuild!!!!

Do it right the first time to protect yourself and your car. Alot at risk just for bragging rights. Remember his car is still a mustang..........

His engine is built to handle the 650 HP, yours is currently NOT but you can mod it to easily handle this and more.

But remember, he is ALOT lighter, lower geared and if he plants the power you will be hard pressed to keep up no matter what you do. The good news, from what I hear, the GT500 is not the best at putting the power to the ground even with slicks. I have seen few videos where the GT500s had wheel hop so bad you could obviously see it on video, rear wheels were bouncing all over hell. Maybe the new 2013 is better, if so, you will need more then just to bolt on a SC or turbo, that is if you expect your engine to last for a meaningful driving life.

DO IT RIGHT, dont do it cheap and fast!!!

Get ahold of Ted, he will take you anywhere you need to go and do it reliably and safely.

I appreciate the honesty, I am new to engine mods so I wanted to start slow but if getting into the engine first is the right way then that's the way I'll have to go.

Originally Posted by blufin

OP,
Initially you said you were looking for low 11's to beat the '500. Then you said that may not be enough once he get slicks, etc. It sounds like you guys may be chasing each other mod for mod.
It's gonna come down to who has the fattest wallet. There will always be someone quicker than you, no matter what your HP is.

We do the same job but I have seniority and am on a higher tier pay scale, also I have a smaller car payment and no kid, lol.

I would PREFER to keep it below 15k, what do you think the final cost would be?

Originally Posted by HufferSS

A whipped in an A6 car will easily go bottom 10s with none of the hassle of the turbos......

My 2 cents.

Are you saying that is the case with what internal work?

[HufferSS]

Originally Posted by K32 Camaro

I appreciate the honesty, I am new to engine mods so I wanted to start slow but if getting into the engine first is the right way then that's the way I'll have to go.



We do the same job but I have seniority and am on a higher tier pay scale, also I have a smaller car payment and no kid, lol.

I would PREFER to keep it below 15k, what do you think the final cost would be?



Are you saying that is the case with what internal work?

Cam.

My M6 Whipples went 10.51 without a lot of sorting at all....a well prepped A6 car could go low 10s on a stock bottom end, cam and supporting hardware.

[K32 Camaro]

Originally Posted by HufferSS

Cam.

My M6 Whipples went 10.51 without a lot of sorting at all....a well prepped A6 car could go low 10s on a stock bottom end, cam and supporting hardware.

Did you switch over to the procharger?

About 10k in parts sound about right?

[destroyerofu2]

Originally Posted by jordan 572

I hear you keep saying 600+ whp at 8 lbs. this is what my car is running right now but I am not expecting 600+. That number is pretty high so don't be disappointed if you don't hit that from just boosting more. I hope I am there but the way you state things, if your at 8psi with turbonetics you seem to think that is 600 +.

I get that number from this site and from steve at RDP motorsports
I have looked at others on here that are hitting right at 600rwhp at 8psi
if you look at the turbonetics web site it shows at 8.2psi it makes 621 rwhp (no cats). i told steve I want to come close to 600rwhp and no more than 8psi and hes said he could do it and still stay safe.
I wont know what I hit untell next week when he installs the kit. but he has installed and tuned alot of these and said no problem.

[HufferSS]

Originally Posted by K32 Camaro

Did you switch over to the procharger?

About 10k in parts sound about right?

Clearly I did, as you can see in my sig.....a whipple will not make over 1k rwhp so had to change.

10k in parts is a start....depends on how much, or any, suspension work you need and what you already have...you will need headers, CAI, cam and hardware, whipple and 10 to 12 psi pulley and probably a converter and slicks.

This is minimum.....I will caution you that it can get expensive quickly.

[JLE58]

Mid 10's with a a6 is about the point where it not to bad expensive. After that's it's going really add up to be reliable. That's when you have to start spending money on stuff that's not really making the car faster but more reliable. I'm sure huffer, myself and a few other can tell you once you start shooting for lower than 10's it gets very expensive.. Look for some deals and for 10k to 12k you can have a good 10 sec car if done right.

[Fiftydriver]

Originally Posted by JLE58

Mid 10's with a a6 is about the point where it not to bad expensive. After that's it's going really add up to be reliable. That's when you have to start spending money on stuff that's not really making the car faster but more reliable. I'm sure huffer, myself and a few other can tell you once you start shooting for lower than 10's it gets very expensive.. Look for some deals and for 10k to 12k you can have a good 10 sec car if done right.

I am not sure and those strip guys, please correct me if I am wrong but I thought that if you made a run in the 10s at an offical 1/4 strip that you were required to add certain safety equipment before being allowed to run again, I think those safety items are cage and 5 point harness.

Again, I may be wrong but I believe that is the rule at a drag strip close to me from talking to some that have ran there.

[Padre]

Originally Posted by Fiftydriver

I am not sure and those strip guys, please correct me if I am wrong but I thought that if you made a run in the 10s at an offical 1/4 strip that you were required to add certain safety equipment before being allowed to run again, I think those safety items are cage and 5 point harness.

Again, I may be wrong but I believe that is the rule at a drag strip close to me from talking to some that have ran there.

You are right. I have a 6-point cage and harnesses. That's good enough down to 10.000, and you need it starting at 11.499.

Realistically, just to beat a Mustang, do you want to spend that money? A cage will cost $3k-4k installed.

For the occasional drag racer, 11.5 is a good goal, and doesn't require a cage. It's also competitive with some GT500's. Plus, 11.5's can be had with cam only (as I did 11.6's with a blower cam only plus bolt-ons, TC, rims and DR's), or they can be done with a warrantied blower install (like a base Whipple or Maggie).

Padre

[HufferSS]

Sissy....

[Supercharged SS]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

You need to make 505 RWHP for 606 Crank HP with the Auto, this happens to be exactly what the JRE Street Brawler Package Makes, 100% complete package that will put you right where you want to be.

This package has run 10.99 on Slicks.

The Auto will have the advantage so taking him out should be a breeze.

Contact me for info or check my web site.

Ted.

I think Ted is getting amnesia. My car, with a Maggie (10psi) headers and Ted's tune went 10.99 on 18" DRAG RADIALS. About 11-12k. Not slicks.

[Supercharged SS]

OP, if you're looking on a deal on a Maggie, let me know.

[jrpxxii]

Originally Posted by Supercharged SS

OP, if you're looking on a deal on a Maggie, let me know.

Is this your statement that you are officially leaving magnuson as their spokesperson?

[Supercharged SS]

Originally Posted by jrpxxii

Is this your statement that you are officially leaving magnuson as their spokesperson?

Just doing my due diligence. I actually like having the Maggie. I just need to decide where I want to car to run. That's the hard part. I'm in no mans land. To slow for the fast kids and to fast for the slow kids!!

[jrpxxii]

Originally Posted by Supercharged SS

Just doing my due diligence. I actually like having the Maggie. I just need to decide where I want to car to run. That's the hard part. I'm in no mans land. To slow for the fast kids and to fast for the slow kids!!

This is a very easy decision. Sell all of your parts and return to stock and bracket race............OR spend a stupid amount of money to try and make a 4000+ car go fast and fast too me is in the 8's or quicker.

[Supercharged SS]

Originally Posted by jrpxxii

This is a very easy decision. Sell all of your parts and return to stock and bracket race............OR spend a stupid amount of money to try and make a 4000+ car go fast and fast too me is in the 8's or quicker.

Or I can stay as is and own the 10.0 index for ever and go 9.7's when the weather is gd twice a year.. If I stay off this website I'll be fine. Option number 4 is to buy a vette and start with a 3300lbs car. This may happen before anything else.

[jrpxxii]

Originally Posted by Supercharged SS

Option number 4 is to buy a vette and start with a 3300lbs car. This may happen before anything else.

This [B]was[B] my first choice until I bought the camaro as I knew it would be easier to make it go fast but then I thought I could also tote the family around cruise. Little did I know that my car would end up where it is now I am also going to purchase a vette for my next project but not sure I will go as hard core as it doesnt take alot to make a vette fast.

[Supercharged SS]

Originally Posted by jrpxxii

This [B]was[B] my first choice until I bought the camaro as I knew it would be easier to make it go fast but then I thought I could also tote the family around cruise. Little did I know that my car would end up where it is now I am also going to purchase a vette for my next project but not sure I will go as hard core as it doesnt take alot to make a vette fast.

We can get a new vette do cheap so that idea has been being discussed daily. We'd just get an A6 vette, with a procharger and drag radials and take it from there. Should smoke my Camaro and the grand national. The biggest issue would be changing to a 3 car trailer.

[HufferSS]

Originally Posted by Supercharged SS

We can get a new vette do cheap so that idea has been being discussed daily. We'd just get an A6 vette, with a procharger and drag radials and take it from there. Should smoke my Camaro and the grand national. The biggest issue would be changing to a 3 car trailer.

Hmmm....I already have a Vette.......

[jrpxxii]

Originally Posted by Supercharged SS

We can get a new vette do cheap so that idea has been being discussed daily. We'd just get an A6 vette, with a procharger and drag radials and take it from there. Should smoke my Camaro and the grand national. The biggest issue would be changing to a 3 car trailer.

Once I saw RPM Trans Z06 with a little Procharger on it go 9's I was hooked that a vette is definitely the next car to share the garage with the camaro. I almost have my convinced she needs a CTS-V wagon too