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DroptopZ · 06-26-2012, 09:48 PM

Hi all! So I've done quite a bit of reading and have been trying to get some more info. Forgive me if this has been posted before, but I didn't see anything exactly like this, and have been reading this section of the forum for a few hours.

I have a '10 LS3 and have done the following:
-CAI intake
-Kooks 1 7/8" headers
-Hi flo Kooks cats
-Custom dyno tune.

On a Mustang dyno, I pulled 423 RWHP and am looking for just a little bit more of a 'bump.' If possible, I'd like to hit appx 500 crank HP (just because I'm OCD like that). Near as I can tell, I'm probably at about 48X at the crank at present. I've read a ton about TB wedges, ported TBs, Tornados, Whistle Tips, etc and am skeptical.

As far as I can tell, a cat-back will net only a pony or two at best, and is really more for sound on stock cubes as the stock mufflers are okay... would save weight, but that's it. Additionally, I'm thinking I might not benefit from things such as a bigger intake manifold or new TB because I don't have the cubes to back it up and the motor is breathing fine.

I want to avoid digging into the motor and also want to avoid FI because this is a DD and I need it to get 'decent' mileage and stay reliable. I don't want to break anything. So I guess my question is, is there anywhere I can go to pick up the extra few ponies to get to, say, 440 RWHP? Or am I gonna have to go cam (in which case I'll just give up and keep 'er as is)? Either way, this is probably enough car for me as is as I'm not getting the most out of the power with the current set-up I have, but it's more for bragging rights, kicks and giggles and 'seat of the pants' o'meter.

Thanks in advance, and again I apologize if this has been beaten to death.

Supercharged SS · 06-26-2012, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DroptopZ

Hi all! So I've done quite a bit of reading and have been trying to get some more info. Forgive me if this has been posted before, but I didn't see anything exactly like this, and have been reading this section of the forum for a few hours.

I have a '10 LS3 and have done the following:
-CAI intake
-Kooks 1 7/8" headers
-Hi flo Kooks cats
-Custom dyno tune.

On a Mustang dyno, I pulled 423 RWHP and am looking for just a little bit more of a 'bump.' If possible, I'd like to hit appx 500 crank HP (just because I'm OCD like that). Near as I can tell, I'm probably at about 48X at the crank at present. I've read a ton about TB wedges, ported TBs, Tornados, Whistle Tips, etc and am skeptical.

As far as I can tell, a cat-back will net only a pony or two at best, and is really more for sound on stock cubes as the stock mufflers are okay... would save weight, but that's it. Additionally, I'm thinking I might not benefit from things such as a bigger intake manifold or new TB because I don't have the cubes to back it up and the motor is breathing fine.

I want to avoid digging into the motor and also want to avoid FI because this is a DD and I need it to get 'decent' mileage and stay reliable. I don't want to break anything. So I guess my question is, is there anywhere I can go to pick up the extra few ponies to get to, say, 440 RWHP? Or am I gonna have to go cam (in which case I'll just give up and keep 'er as is)? Either way, this is probably enough car for me as is as I'm not getting the most out of the power with the current set-up I have, but it's more for bragging rights, kicks and giggles and 'seat of the pants' o'meter.

Thanks in advance, and again I apologize if this has been beaten to death.

The only things that I can think of wihtout tearing open the engine would be an under drive pulley and an electric water pump. And you may need both of those together. You could also loose the cats. It may be easier to get some meds to control the OCD then to get your car to 440 rwhp!!

Honestly you're prob at 440 rwhp now. I would find a different dyno and just do a few pulls. The Mustangs are know to be a little low on the numbers.

Pro Stock John · 06-26-2012, 10:34 PM

There you go, ported TB and underdrive pulley, electric water pump too unless it makes you a little nervous to have on a daily driver.

Haven't seen it available for these cars, but sometimes folks in the 4th gen days did lightweight flywheels too.

litle88 · 06-26-2012, 11:18 PM

EWP sure you can do it 500 bucks yes you can daily drive it why not just monitor the hours you've used it I guess.

UDP sure that's 250-400?

Polished TB 150

For that money I'd just cam it, you run the same risk as if it was stock as long as its done right and you'd be knocking at 500's door for a few more bux bud.

1sikRS · 06-27-2012, 01:19 AM

Ls9 cam tb and udp w the ls9 cam its a direct swap nothing needs to be.Changed in the heads or valvetrain

asrautox · 06-27-2012, 09:39 AM

UDP
Ported TB
Catback

Skip the EWP.

Rage · 06-27-2012, 11:02 AM

Giggle gas.

GlennP · 06-27-2012, 11:23 AM

hes saying 500 CRANK... isnt he probably already there or just a few HP short?

1sikRS · 06-28-2012, 01:42 AM

Ls9 cams good for 35 rwhp and tuning.isnt required so for 160 plus the price of a.
C5r chain ls2 dampener why not ???

06-26-2012, 09:48 PM	#1
DroptopZ I'm your huckleberry... Drives: '10 SS/RS, '88 IROC vert Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Seattle Posts: 328	Maximizing power with stock H/C and N/A...? Hi all! So I've done quite a bit of reading and have been trying to get some more info. Forgive me if this has been posted before, but I didn't see anything exactly like this, and have been reading this section of the forum for a few hours. I have a '10 LS3 and have done the following: -CAI intake -Kooks 1 7/8" headers -Hi flo Kooks cats -Custom dyno tune. On a Mustang dyno, I pulled 423 RWHP and am looking for just a little bit more of a 'bump.' If possible, I'd like to hit appx 500 crank HP (just because I'm OCD like that). Near as I can tell, I'm probably at about 48X at the crank at present. I've read a ton about TB wedges, ported TBs, Tornados, Whistle Tips, etc and am skeptical. As far as I can tell, a cat-back will net only a pony or two at best, and is really more for sound on stock cubes as the stock mufflers are okay... would save weight, but that's it. Additionally, I'm thinking I might not benefit from things such as a bigger intake manifold or new TB because I don't have the cubes to back it up and the motor is breathing fine. I want to avoid digging into the motor and also want to avoid FI because this is a DD and I need it to get 'decent' mileage and stay reliable. I don't want to break anything. So I guess my question is, is there anywhere I can go to pick up the extra few ponies to get to, say, 440 RWHP? Or am I gonna have to go cam (in which case I'll just give up and keep 'er as is)? Either way, this is probably enough car for me as is as I'm not getting the most out of the power with the current set-up I have, but it's more for bragging rights, kicks and giggles and 'seat of the pants' o'meter. Thanks in advance, and again I apologize if this has been beaten to death. __________________ '88 IROC-Z vert (14.9 @ 92.3) '10 2SS/RS LS3 - to run this Summer

06-26-2012, 10:34 PM	#3
Pro Stock John Drives: 2010 SS / 1951 Mercury Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,229	There you go, ported TB and underdrive pulley, electric water pump too unless it makes you a little nervous to have on a daily driver. Haven't seen it available for these cars, but sometimes folks in the 4th gen days did lightweight flywheels too. __________________ 2010 Camaro SS \| LT's Cats UD CAI Tune DR \|12.37@112 1951 Mercury \| Chopped \| SBC 1998 Formula \| 348 TH400 88mm \| 9.40@145 sold 2000 Camaro \| 348 TH400 150 NOS \| 10.0@134 sold ~All installs and tuning by Speed Inc.

06-26-2012, 11:18 PM	#4
litle88 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 3,302	EWP sure you can do it 500 bucks yes you can daily drive it why not just monitor the hours you've used it I guess. UDP sure that's 250-400? Polished TB 150 For that money I'd just cam it, you run the same risk as if it was stock as long as its done right and you'd be knocking at 500's door for a few more bux bud. __________________ 01 Ws6, m6, ASC#618 of 1583,40k Miles,shortblock built by AES the rest built by me,Ls3 416,FAST 102, NW102,LPE Ls3 heads,LsR 243/259 .624 114+3 ,C5r T/c,all ARP'd,12-1 comp,morel L/b lifters,melling O/P, kooks 2" headers,FTP 104mm lid,JAAM RamAir Kit,PB 10% UDP,UMI K-member,UMI T/A relocator,UMI SFC's, UMI upper and lower c/a,SLP T/A,UMI LCA's,UMI adj. PHB,Racetronix f/p,sjm abs delete,katech tensioner, dhm dual cutouts,magnaflow CB,Koni adj shocks,BMR springs,Moser 9in w/35 spline axles,4.11's and spooled, viperized T56,tuned @Straightline's mustang dyno 545hp/524tq

06-27-2012, 11:02 AM	#7
Rage TRI-COUNTY CAMARO... FTW! Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS M6 Cyber Grey Join Date: May 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,964 View My Garage	Giggle gas. __________________ CAI inc. cold air intake, LG G6x3 cam, Patriot Gold Extreme Dual springs, Titanium retainers and locks, LG SuperPro 1 7/8 Long Tube headers with full 3" exhaust, DynoMax VT mufflers, SLP 4" tips, Moroso catch can, Race Ready electronic exhaust cut outs, Full painted Razzi body kit, Headlight Armor Smoke taillight and marker blackouts, T-Rex aluminum upper and lower grille, Polished aluminum front and rear bowties. Professionally installed and Dyno Tuned by HorsePower Sales, Pompano Beach FL.

06-27-2012, 11:23 AM	#8
GlennP Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Bridgewater, NJ Posts: 355	hes saying 500 CRANK... isnt he probably already there or just a few HP short? __________________

06-27-2012, 01:19 AM	#5
1sikRS Drives: 2010 silver ice 2ss/rs Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: cleveland ohio Posts: 852	Ls9 cam tb and udp w the ls9 cam its a direct swap nothing needs to be.Changed in the heads or valvetrain

06-27-2012, 09:39 AM	#6
asrautox Drives: 2010 SS Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 92	UDP Ported TB Catback Skip the EWP.

06-28-2012, 01:42 AM	#9
1sikRS Drives: 2010 silver ice 2ss/rs Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: cleveland ohio Posts: 852	Ls9 cams good for 35 rwhp and tuning.isnt required so for 160 plus the price of a. C5r chain ls2 dampener why not ???