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[kjkjr27]

Originally Posted by slowmaro

Not saying that at all. I'm just sayin I don't see your mods breaking you into 13's that's all im saying.

O ok, does anyone know what a stock LLT runs?

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by slowmaro

I don't see how you guys are saying he will edged out the 11+ v6 regardless of the rear end gears....14.3 vs 13.7-13.5 is a big diff. Just saying.
His 'mods' doesnt look like it would give him enough to be near close enough to break 14.0

All depends on the launch and the DA he runs in. There are places where the SS will run into the very low 13s and 12s all day long and there are other places where the SS has a hard time getting into the mid - high 13s.

The LLT is highly effected by heat which he is negating by using the insulator and we have evidence from another run that it can knock a tenth or two off your ET. The CAI and exhaust also should help some of course.

Do I think he would be likely to break into the 13s...with little experience and the current heat I highly doubt it. (no way the stock V6 stang is going to run a 13.7 in the same heat conditions even with a better driver) But don't say there is no way the car can break into the 13s at all when we have other examples of guys with an intake and exhaust that have already done it.

Originally Posted by kjkjr27

O ok, does anyone know what a stock LLT runs?

Magazine times...14.2 - 14.4 Most regular guys will get a mid to mid-upper 14, but we do have a few stock guys that have ran a 14.3 or so.

[slowmaro]

http://m.youtube.com/results?q=stock...ang%201%2F4%20

13.5 stock...

[jlawrence613]

Originally Posted by slowmaro

http://m.youtube.com/results?q=stock...ang%201%2F4%20

13.5 stock...

Can't see the video at work. But telling you now, I HIGHLY doubt any STOCK 11+ V6 mustang is running 13.5 regardless of conditions. If it is, I have some work to do. I was no where near there stock...

I also doubt his Camaro will break into the 13's as-is though. He's got primarily sound and throttle response upgrades. No tire, suspension, or real power adders in the list. All the guys on top of the v6 fast list are what I would consider heavily modded (for v6's):
Tune
Slicks
Longtubes
E-85 fuel
Intakes
TB's
etc
What made you switch to the "darkside".

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by jlawrence613

Can't see the video at work. But telling you now, I HIGHLY doubt any STOCK 11+ V6 mustang is running 13.5 regardless of conditions. If it is, I have some work to do. I was no where near there stock...

I also doubt his Camaro will break into the 13's as-is though.

What made you switch to the "darkside".

I would think you would be mid 13s with your setup. What DAs are you seeing?

[jlawrence613]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

I would think you would be mid 13s with your setup. What DAs are you seeing?

Yeah Im ok NOW (since modding) lol. Thanks. I am seeing 1700 - 1900 DA. Not terrible, but not the best either. I have more mods I need (little insider stang info)
Driveshaft
DR's
LT's
DRIVER MOD!!!

My goal is about a 13.3 before FI. Some of the other stang guys running 13.0x have torque converters and such. I wont add that because I dont want to lose daily driveability.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by jlawrence613

Yeah Im ok NOW (since modding) lol. Thanks. I am seeing 1700 - 1900 DA. Not terrible, but not the best either. I have more mods I need (little insider stang info)
Driveshaft
DR's
LT's
DRIVER MOD!!!

My goal is about a 13.3 before FI. Some of the other stang guys running 13.0x have torque converters and such. I wont add that because I dont want to lose driveability.

I've got a 3200 stall and it isn't that noticable. After a short while I quit noticing it at all.

The LTs seem to be the key on the new engine from what I've read (after the tune of course). You might try a trip to the track running without the strut brace, too. If you really want to get it to squat remove the front sway bar when you go to the track (just be careful driving back and forth).

[scrming]

Originally Posted by jlawrence613

Can't see the video at work. But telling you now, I HIGHLY doubt any STOCK 11+ V6 mustang is running 13.5 regardless of conditions. If it is, I have some work to do. I was no where near there stock...

I also doubt his Camaro will break into the 13's as-is though. He's got primarily sound and throttle response upgrades. No tire, suspension, or real power adders in the list. All the guys on top of the v6 fast list are what I would consider heavily modded (for v6's):
Tune
Slicks
Longtubes
E-85 fuel
Intakes
TB's
etc
What made you switch to the "darkside".

But look at the bottom of the list!

10. 13.787 @ 100.49 - scrming - A6 - (DRs, Injen CAI, MRT v2.0 Axle Back, JBA Shorty Headers, Trifecta Tune) (LLT)

13.78... DRs really didn't do anything... shorty headers again, really didn't do much... so really the OP migh actually have gained more HP with his mods or be very similar to mine... and I went 13.78... rtcatman, in 9th, had even few mods than me! So I don't see why, with the right conditions the OP can't break into the 13s...

[jlawrence613]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

I've got a 3200 stall and it isn't that noticable. After a short while I quit noticing it at all.

The LTs seem to be the key on the new engine from what I've read (after the tune of course). You might try a trip to the track running without the strut brace, too. If you really want to get it to squat remove the front sway bar when you go to the track (just be careful driving back and forth).

Is the stall converter really not that bad? The Cyclone engine already has a lack of low end torque, it seems as if it will have to wind up forever before it really gets moving stoplight to stoplight. Not sure how you guys LLT makes power, but ours doesnt really come on until after 3000rpm.

And removing the sway bar you say?

Also, trying to stay on topic. OP, if your friend has a:

Performance Package, or Manual with 3.31 gears, you'll probably lose
Manual with 2.73 (stock gears) it will be close with edge to you
Auto with 2.73 gears (you'll probably win 6/10)

[jlawrence613]

Originally Posted by scrming

But look at the bottom of the list!

10. 13.787 @ 100.49 - scrming - A6 - (DRs, Injen CAI, MRT v2.0 Axle Back, JBA Shorty Headers, Trifecta Tune) (LLT)

13.78... DRs really didn't do anything... shorty headers again, really didn't do much... so really the OP migh actually have gained more HP with his mods or be very similar to mine... and I went 13.78... rtcatman, in 9th, had even few mods than me! So I don't see why, with the right conditions the OP can't break into the 13s...

I'm certain you know more than I do (not being funny, I've read your track exploits ), but you really dont think those DR gave .2 -.3? Plus the OP isnt tuned, which I believe makes a world of difference. Could be wrong though.

*edit* I see #9 wasn't tuned either... I guess its plausible then

100mph is good for about a 13.9 - 14.0 isnt it? what was the 60' on that run?

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by jlawrence613

Is the stall converter really not that bad? The Cyclone engine already has a lack of low end torque, it seems as if it will have to wind up forever before it really gets moving stoplight to stoplight. Not sure how you guys LLT makes power, but ours doesnt really come on until after 3000rpm.

And removing the sway bar you say?

Also, trying to stay on topic. OP, if your friend has a:

Performance Package, or Manual with 3.31 gears, you'll probably lose
Manual with 2.73 (stock gears) it will be close with edge to you
Auto with 2.73 gears (you'll probably win 6/10)

I think our peak torque is just a bit higher than yours. Swing by Tracy's shop (PM SC2150) the next time you are near Tampa and drive one of the one's he's put a stall in. That will give you an idea.

Originally Posted by jlawrence613

I'm certain you know more than I do (not being funny, I've read your track exploits ), but you really dont think those DR gave .2 -.3? Plus the OP isnt tuned, which I believe makes a world of difference. Could be wrong though.

100mph is good for about a 13.9 - 14.0 isnt it? what was the 60' on that run?

Tune on the LLT doesn't yeild near as much as it seems to on your guys cars.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by slowmaro

http://m.youtube.com/results?q=stock...ang%201%2F4%20

13.5 stock...

What does that prove...its certainly not the norm? I can also show you lots of low and mid 14.x passes with the V6 stang. I can also show you a slip of a Camaro V6 running 13.7x with just an intake and exhaust.

Originally Posted by scrming

.....So I don't see why, with the right conditions the OP can't break into the 13s...

scrming is exactly right and is basically saying what I said earlier. In the right conditions, the car is likely able to crack 13s. But in hot weather or high elevation...very doubtful.

Originally Posted by jlawrence613

I'm certain you know more than I do (not being funny, I've read your track exploits ), but you really dont think those DR gave .2 -.3? Plus the OP isnt tuned, which I believe makes a world of difference. Could be wrong though.

I do believe DRs make up for a few tenths, but nothing dramatic like a half second or something on the V6. Tune helps overall driving characteristics, and does seem to help response and midrange power, but makes little difference in 1/4 mile times from what we've seen.

[kjkjr27]

I do plan on getting some LT headers, a tune, ported IM, plenum spacer, underdrive pulley and a 1 piece aluminum driveshaft just don't have the funds for it all yet lol

[JasonK]

Bone stock with Kansas air, I ran a best 14.7...... Take your car to the track and run it, you can't have anymore fun by spending just 25 bucks. All the BS stop at the track.

I was heartbroken my car was that slow, I really thought it would be in the mid to high 13's. I turned the nannies off, left it in sport mode and let it shift itself. If you race it paddle shift it, I think you would gain a couple tenth's. Good Luck

[lscamaro]

Actually, putting it in sport mode and letting it shift is the best method to do it. The paddle shifters will slow you down. Also, try keeping all the nannies on and I think you might gain a few tenths.

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by JasonK

Bone stock with Kansas air, I ran a best 14.7...... Take your car to the track and run it, you can't have anymore fun by spending just 25 bucks. All the BS stop at the track.

I was heartbroken my car was that slow, I really thought it would be in the mid to high 13's. I turned the nannies off, left it in sport mode and let it shift itself. If you race it paddle shift it, I think you would gain a couple tenth's. Good Luck

My advice would to NOT use the paddle shifters when drag racing. 95% of the time you will either shift too early or too late using the paddles. The computer will make a good clean shift everytime.

[kjkjr27]

Originally Posted by JasonK

Bone stock with Kansas air, I ran a best 14.7...... Take your car to the track and run it, you can't have anymore fun by spending just 25 bucks. All the BS stop at the track.

I was heartbroken my car was that slow, I really thought it would be in the mid to high 13's. I turned the nannies off, left it in sport mode and let it shift itself. If you race it paddle shift it, I think you would gain a couple tenth's. Good Luck

Yea I plan to run mine soon just the next day the track is open to the public is in July. I could enter class based ones which are more often but I have never done this ever and don't want my first time to also be my last if that makes any sense. Atleast if I go when it is open to the public I can get like 3 or 4 runs.

[jlawrence613]

Originally Posted by JasonK

Bone stock with Kansas air, I ran a best 14.7...... Take your car to the track and run it, you can't have anymore fun by spending just 25 bucks. All the BS stop at the track.

I was heartbroken my car was that slow, I really thought it would be in the mid to high 13's. I turned the nannies off, left it in sport mode and let it shift itself. If you race it paddle shift it, I think you would gain a couple tenth's. Good Luck

Amen
The magazine racers learn a thing or two about real world driving.

With your 14.7, what was your 60' and trap speed? And how modded are you.?

[jlawrence613]

Originally Posted by kjkjr27

I do plan on getting some LT headers, a tune, ported IM, plenum spacer, underdrive pulley and a 1 piece aluminum driveshaft just don't have the funds for it all yet lol

Well that will certainly get you into the 13's alright

Originally Posted by lscamaro

Actually, putting it in sport mode and letting it shift is the best method to do it. The paddle shifters will slow you down. Also, try keeping all the nannies on and I think you might gain a few tenths.

It's funny because our best times come from turning all nannies off. That's the first thing we do when pull out of the staging area and upto the line

[JasonK]

The 14.7 run was bone stockyards speed was either 95 or 97. I have a spread sheet with my runs at work. I'll post them. I disagree on not paddle shifting. My car shifted into 6th great with a good 200 - 300 feet to go. If it would have stayed in 5th, it would have been a quicker run. Granted that is if I would have shifted perfect. I'm far from a drag racer, but I had the time of my life doing it. I highly recommend it to be on everyone's bucket list!

[KMPrenger]

6th??? That's your problem. Last time I did a simulated 1/4 mile run I was running nearly 110 MPH a was still in 3rd gear. This was in sport (not manual) mode and holding it to the floor. Hell u may be able to shave off a few tenths or more doing this

[scrming]

Originally Posted by JasonK

The 14.7 run was bone stockyards speed was either 95 or 97. I have a spread sheet with my runs at work. I'll post them. I disagree on not paddle shifting. My car shifted into 6th great with a good 200 - 300 feet to go. If it would have stayed in 5th, it would have been a quicker run. Granted that is if I would have shifted perfect. I'm far from a drag racer, but I had the time of my life doing it. I highly recommend it to be on everyone's bucket list!

Paddle shifting is definitely slower, the same at the very best... As KMPrenger pointed out you should never hit 6th! In fact, if you put it in "S" sport mode, which is manual mode WITHOUT touching the paddle shifters, it actually LOCKS OUT 6th! In Sport mode at Wide Open Throttle (WOT) you car will not shift until it almost hits the redline! For the 1/4 mile would end up shifting into 4th just before the traps...

[Stew]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

6th??? That's your problem. Last time I did a simulated 1/4 mile run I was running nearly 110 MPH a was still in 3rd gear. This was in sport (not manual) mode and holding it to the floor. Hell u may be able to shave off a few tenths or more doing this

At 6th, he is losing RPMs, time for extra shifts, I would say there is a good 1/2 second and MPH or 2 there.

[jlawrence613]

makes me wonder if people are shifting like they do in day-to-day driving instead of at redline?

[dkg11]

Originally Posted by Stitch

I'm glad people like this exist. They make me feel better about myself.

Thanks for sharing your poor grammar and making online threats.

lol