Disgusting policy on Gm's part or whoever created this.

[Quackersacker]

How many people from the USA work in the camaro plant? Oh yeah that would be none as we are not allowed to work north of the border but Canadians can work here. Now Im not saying either is right or wrong just saying there are laws and policies we must all abide by, just or injust, and since we both live in democracies there is only one way to change it.

As far as free health care there is no such thing. Unless that doctor set that broken arm for free someone paid him and paid for it. People have to start thinking that there are cost associated with what they percieve as "free".

[camarozzzz]

Originally Posted by Quackersacker

How many people from the USA work in the camaro plant? Oh yeah that would be none as we are not allowed to work north of the border but Canadians can work here. Now Im not saying either is right or wrong just saying there are laws and policies we must all abide by, just or injust, and since we both live in democracies there is only one way to change it.

As far as free health care there is no such thing. Unless that doctor set that broken arm for free someone paid him and paid for it. People have to start thinking that there are cost associated with what they percieve as "free".

I agree with you on the health care thing. For example Sweden has a 54% tax rate - if I remember correctly - but they also have free education and everything. Nothing is free, it is free in a sense that everyone collaborates together to get it. But essentially nothing is free without everyone pooling together.

I did not know Canadians can work in Canada just like that! I am pretty sure you need a working visa to do so, I do not believe you can just walk in and work there. I have a few friends working in LA right now and they require a Visa - which once expired forces them to go home. I did not know America does not let you do this.

Its funny how their no-sell to Canadian policies though only affect the border states - because they know most people will not drive 2-3 states south but will remain on the bordering states only. I went to Oregon and LA and they sold to me gladly. Clearly this policy is beyond policy and more about greed. Greed knows no nationality.

It is a democracy. But unless your politicians chose to put it up for vote, the word democracy is just that a word. Nothing will be done, no vote will occur, and no policy change will ever happen.

[gramps_green_rs]

MSRP in Canada for ls1 -27,965 plus 1,400 delivery

MSRP in USA 25,280 plus 900 delivery

these prices are before any tax added.

and dollar is pretty much on par.

gramps

[oldfriend]

Originally Posted by norton750

It came about when people realised that a new car in the USA costs so much less than in Canada and started cross border shopping for cars.

Originally Posted by camarozzzz

But why is it then that when the dollar is in favor of America such as currently. Americans are allowed to come here and buy up all of the Canadian cars and take them home.

This seems like a one way policy. I would agree with it if it where 2 way. But this is 100% targeted at charging Canadians more.

Exactly the opposite happen when we talk about Medicine , apparently it's way less expensive in Canada [ subsidized ] by the extra taxes on everything else [CARS ] included , and there is no problem for us to get it from there [CANADA ] via the net . Follow the $$$$$$ and every time you will find the end of it .

[Camaroshark]

Originally Posted by camarozzzz

Thought you guys might enjoy this story.

So roughly a year ago I was about to head down to Seattle to grab my brand new 2012 which was on the lot - Black on black Camaro. After contacting the dealer, sorting out a price, and negotiating everything I was ready to leave.

Huge excitement on my part, I was counting down the days like a 10 year old on Christmas. Day of the transaction I get in contact with the dealership to let them know that I will be there in roughly 6 hours as I am driving over from Canada.

Dealer goes silent, tells me sorry deals off. I ask why. He tells me "we are not allowed to sell cars to Canadians". I ask him why? He tells me its a agreement GM has with the Canadian version of the company.

This is absolute discriminatory garbage...to this day, they still will not sell a brand new car off of their lot to Canadians. YET the opposite is possible here.

I find this to be highly offensive, it almost made me turn away from GM forever. Luckily the Camaro did the persuasion and I still bought one in private avoiding all dealerships.

I still cannot believe they would do such a thing...

There are a number of reasons for this that are likely.

First, and foremost, this begs the question of why aren't you buying it from a Canadian dealer?

I'd guess the answer is probably cost. Is likely there are some provisions of duties or taxes that elevate the cost to Canada.

Then there's the issue of US vs Canadian warranty. Are you going to bring the car back to the US for warranty service?

The Canadian dealer abides by Canadian law for their dealings and then the US dealer does so for his side.

If you have a home and address in the US and will keep the car in the US, there should be no issue as I know 2 foreigners that own a vette and a new camaro here in Florida but they have second homes here in Florida and a main home in Canada.

[camarozzzz]

Originally Posted by Camaroshark

There are a number of reasons for this that are likely.

First, and foremost, this begs the question of why aren't you buying it from a Canadian dealer?

I'd guess the answer is probably cost. Is likely there are some provisions of duties or taxes that elevate the cost to Canada.

Then there's the issue of US vs Canadian warranty. Are you going to bring the car back to the US for warranty service?

The Canadian dealer abides by Canadian law for their dealings and then the US dealer does so for his side.

If you have a home and address in the US and will keep the car in the US, there should be no issue as I know 2 foreigners that own a vette and a new camaro here in Florida but they have second homes here in Florida and a main home in Canada.

Florida will actually sell to Canadian customers. I found that it is basically only the border states that have this policy. I actually contacted a few Florida dealers and we had some processes going along.

[oldfriend]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

You are incorrect. American Dealers are not allowed to sell to customers in Canada and Vice Versa.

It is not only GM - it is every manufacturer.

Just wanted to know if this also applies to the Southern Neighbor ?

[oldfriend]

Originally Posted by gramps_green_rs

MSRP in Canada for ls1 -27,965 plus 1,400 delivery

MSRP in USA 25,280 plus 900 delivery

these prices are before any tax added.

and dollar is pretty much on par.

gramps

Why it costs $500 more to deliver a car in Canada than to the USA ?

[ChriSS84]

Originally Posted by camarozzzz

Wow. This is such a rudely ignorant, blatantly arrogant response. What's the big deal? I would say the big deal is paying roughly $5000-$6000 more for the same product simply because corporations know that they can gauge certain population cohorts. It is sad to see that people still think this way. Such a selfish attitude. I advise you to go learn some empathy for others.

This whole attitude of if it does not affect or hurt me then who cares is fairly elementary/ grade school. This is exactly why corporations are able to gauge and cheat because people say who cares did not affect this time.

I doubt you would enjoy paying more for your car while I paid $6000 less. I am sire you would make a bit of noise as well.

Why not buy the car in Canada? Why did you need to come to the States to buy the car? You're butt hurt about the import/export laws. Just buy the damn car in Canada. The system is set up for a reason. Stop crying about something that you will never be able to change. It wasn't GM's fault.

I wouldn't be pissed about how much I paid versus what you paid. I don't worry about things like that. If I have to pay more then you then so be it. I won't come online and bitch and cry about it. I'll just accept it.

I'm not happy that the Camaro is built in Canada, but what am I gonna do about it? My point is simply stop bitching and crying about it. If you bought the car where you live then you wouldn't be crying right now.

[camarozzzz]

Originally Posted by ChriSS84

Why not buy the car in Canada? Why did you need to come to the States to buy the car? You're butt hurt about the import/export laws. Just buy the damn car in Canada. The system is set up for a reason. Stop crying about something that you will never be able to change. It wasn't GM's fault.

I wouldn't be pissed about how much I paid versus what you paid. I don't worry about things like that. If I have to pay more then you then so be it. I won't come online and bitch and cry about it. I'll just accept it.

I'm not happy that the Camaro is built in Canada, but what am I gonna do about it? My point is simply stop bitching and crying about it. If you bought the car where you live then you wouldn't be crying right now.

Some people were born to be sheeple for the rest of their lives - and will merely go about being ushered into whatever without a peep. While others were born to wake up and realize that somethings are wrong. Learn to empathize with people, it will get you further in life. It is nice to see that you simply accept whatever is given, goes to show the quality of person you are...

Your responses virtually consist of no logic, reasoning, or any productive assets. Your main premises are "you are butt hurt" and "stop bitching". I have yet to hear a sound or intelligent argument or conversation from you...Read my original post again. I am disputing the fact that the MSRP between the two countries is grossly disproportionate and that automakers spamming all brands have been raising prices up north to seemingly gauging proportions.

[MrGood]

You'll just accept it? What if I stole your wallet? Would you just accept it?What if a group of guys came in and burned everything you owned and took your family? Would you just accept it? What about how we are turning into a socialist country? Just accept that? With all respect If you've got a family I hope your wife is a better leader than you are. Because your logic is worse than a sheep. not only do you mindlessly follow, but you command others to as well. Sad.

[camarozzzz]

Originally Posted by MrGood

You'll just accept it? What if I stole your wallet? Would you just accept it?What if a group of guys came in and burned everything you owned and took your family? Would you just accept it? What about how we are turning into a socialist country? Just accept that? With all respect If you've got a family I hope your wife is a better leader than you are. Because your logic is worse than a sheep. not only do you mindlessly follow, but you command others to as well. Sad.

Beautifully said sir, just well done!

[ihaveacamaro]

OP as in my previous responses I've agreed that it isn't necessarily fair, but it is life. If you think you're being dealt with unjustly, think about a member on here in South America that had to pay over 50K for the 2LT. it's even more expensive in Dubai, like around 60 for the v6 and 80 for the v8..

While the situation does suck, be happy that it isn't worse. There's simply nothing you can do about it apart from a private trade. Unfortunate, but true.

[MrGood]

Originally Posted by ihaveacamaro

OP as in my previous responses I've agreed that it isn't necessarily fair, but it is life. If you think you're being dealt with unjustly, think about a member on here in South America that had to pay over 50K for the 2LT. it's even more expensive in Dubai, like around 60 for the v6 and 80 for the v8..

While the situation does suck, be happy that it isn't worse. There's simply nothing you can do about it apart from a private trade. Unfortunate, but true.

This is true. If there's people silly enough to pay 80,000 for a flippin Camaro they will charge it. What a joke lol

[formare]

Simple question to the OP - did you have plans to pay the import tarrif?

http://www.riv.ca/CostConsiderations.aspx. I am personally grateful for trade limitations between countries.

[camarozzzz]

Originally Posted by formare

Simple question to the OP - did you have plans to pay the import tarrif?

http://www.riv.ca/CostConsiderations.aspx. I am personally grateful for trade limitations between countries.

Of course. I have imported many vehicles in my day all from LA though - the only reasonable place that did not pass up cash.

I calculated it all, even with my provinces taxes, state taxes, the inspection fees, import fees I would still have saved roughly 3-4 thousand. I had a LS 2012 model going with a dealership in Seattle for 19500 brand new. While in Canada they sold for 27500.

[ihaveacamaro]

Originally Posted by MrGood

This is true. If there's people silly enough to pay 80,000 for a flippin Camaro they will charge it. What a joke lol

The dealerships can charge that, because it's not like a person can go, oh I'm going to go to another dealership to see if they are better priced. Dealerships worldwide in places like Dubai are few and far between. Very little supply = huge markup on Camaro

God bless America! LOL

[Tom Henry Racing]

Dealers are not allowed to export cars. It is a violation of their franchise agreement. Manufacturers have distribution channels in other countries. Case closed.

[MS3DALE]

Originally Posted by Tom Henry Racing

Dealers are not allowed to export cars. It is a violation of their franchise agreement. Manufacturers have distribution channels in other countries. Case closed.

I was trying to think of the best way to say it,short and sweet.....you nailed it Tom.

[mikeyroche]

Originally Posted by camarozzzz

Thought you guys might enjoy this story.

So roughly a year ago I was about to head down to Seattle to grab my brand new 2012 which was on the lot - Black on black Camaro. After contacting the dealer, sorting out a price, and negotiating everything I was ready to leave.

Huge excitement on my part, I was counting down the days like a 10 year old on Christmas. Day of the transaction I get in contact with the dealership to let them know that I will be there in roughly 6 hours as I am driving over from Canada.

Dealer goes silent, tells me sorry deals off. I ask why. He tells me "we are not allowed to sell cars to Canadians". I ask him why? He tells me its a agreement GM has with the Canadian version of the company.

This is absolute discriminatory garbage...to this day, they still will not sell a brand new car off of their lot to Canadians. YET the opposite is possible here.

I find this to be highly offensive, it almost made me turn away from GM forever. Luckily the Camaro did the persuasion and I still bought one in private avoiding all dealerships.

I still cannot believe they would do such a thing...

Our Government(Canada) likes to bend us over, steal are money, make us poor and charge more for no reason. I love Canada, but I hate the Governments that allow this BS. They should all be in jail

[Mr_Draco]

Originally Posted by Tom Henry Racing

Dealers are not allowed to export cars. It is a violation of their franchise agreement. Manufacturers have distribution channels in other countries. Case closed.

The op needs to understand that yes you can find dealers who will do this, however they are few and far between and if caught they will lose their franchise and will face federal punishment as well for breaking federal export laws.