DRIVE: GT500 vs. ZL1 (by Chris Harris)

[KLR ZL1]

OooooK. I couldn't even watch this idiot. If your going to review American muscle cars then 1 pronounce them correctly, and 2 get your facts straight. The ZL1 has a detuned ZR1 engine DETUNED to 588HP and 566TQ. Really I didn't know it came with the LS9, I must have missed that one some where here on the internet for the past year. Oh yea and it only cost 48K. BAHAH. I had to turn the video off, too much talking and not enough driving. I am just saying.

[Stephen12ZL1]

I liked his unbiased opinions. Worth watching.

[Deki]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

"[The GT-500] is an engine looking for a chassis".

I just drove the GT500 on Monday, and I can not agree more. Ford stuck a monster in a chassis that was originally designed for less than half the power of what the 2013 has.

[Steve Dallas]

Originally Posted by KLR ZL1

OooooK. I couldn't even watch this idiot. If your going to review American muscle cars then 1 pronounce them correctly, and 2 get your facts straight. The ZL1 has a detuned ZR1 engine DETUNED to 588HP and 566TQ. Really I didn't know it came with the LS9, I must have missed that one some where here on the internet for the past year. Oh yea and it only cost 48K. BAHAH. I had to turn the video off, too much talking and not enough driving. I am just saying.

You do realize this was not produced in the US, so the measurements and costs are correct...for their country.

Just sayin...

[Deki]

Originally Posted by KLR ZL1

OooooK. I couldn't even watch this idiot. If your going to review American muscle cars then 1 pronounce them correctly, and 2 get your facts straight. The ZL1 has a detuned ZR1 engine DETUNED to 588HP and 566TQ. Really I didn't know it came with the LS9, I must have missed that one some where here on the internet for the past year. Oh yea and it only cost 48K. BAHAH. I had to turn the video off, too much talking and not enough driving. I am just saying.

Your own ignorance is making you miss out on a pretty decent review, and probably the most entertaining, and containing the least bias.
Also, I would venture to say an LSA is a de-tuned version of the LS9 since they use the same basic block, head gaskets, and head bolts.

[L99CAMA2011]

Originally Posted by DanSS24

The guy was hilarious but interesting review. Numbers are different though. 671hp for the GT500 and 588hp for the ZL1.

European numbers.

[L99CAMA2011]

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

You do realize this was not produced in the US, so the measurements costs are correct...for their country.

Just sayin...

Streets of NY, Montecello track what do mean not in the US.

[L99CAMA2011]

Originally Posted by Deki

Your own ignorance is making you miss out on a pretty decent review, and probably the most entertaining, and containing the least bias.
Also, I would venture to say an LSA is a de-tuned version of the LS9 since they use the same basic block, head gaskets, and head bolts.

DEKI has spoken here here I say, now time for tea and crakers. Chris Harris is a very good guy to review cars and a very good driver.

[Steve Dallas]

Originally Posted by L99CAMA2011

Streets of NY, Montecello track what do mean not in the US.

The reviewer was from BRITAIN! They do speak English there, so maybe I can understand the confusion...but there are other countries out there with different monetary systems and ways of computing horsepower.

It's kind of like when Canadians post about their cars (this has happened on C5 too), where they post their cost and U.S. people go apeshit when they see someone paid 60 grand (*Canadian*) for an SS.

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

You do realize this was not produced in the US, so the measurements and costs are correct...for their country.

Just sayin...

Originally Posted by L99CAMA2011

Streets of NY, Montecello track what do mean not in the US.

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

The reviewer was from BRITAIN! They do speak English there, so maybe I can understand the confusion...but there are other countries out there with different monetary systems and ways of computing horsepower.

It's kind of like when Canadians post about their cars (this has happened on C5 too), where they post their cost and U.S. people go apeshit when they see someone paid 60 grand (*Canadian*) for an SS.

I think what L99Camaro is trying to make aware is that you stated is what not produced in the US when they are showing the streets of NY and a race track in the state. It was shot there but the show was produced overseas and it's intended audience was for the european counterparts. When it was posted here, the confusion set in because most people here are not familiar with their currency system and metric system. They were using the Euro for currency and not the British pound.

[Good2go]

Not even any Euro vs US bias. GREAT review!

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by Modern07

Good review - but the ZL1 sure don't cost $48k!

Originally Posted by Loading.....

It's US currency converted to British Pound - which is still off.

USD $54,095 = Pound £34,757

Originally Posted by DanSS24

£48000 = 83,000 USD

too much if the ZL1 cost that much.

Try the Euro currency conversion, then you'll understand

[L99CAMA2011]

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

The reviewer was from BRITAIN! They do speak English there, so maybe I can understand the confusion...but there are other countries out there with different monetary systems and ways of computing horsepower.

It's kind of like when Canadians post about their cars (this has happened on C5 too), where they post their cost and U.S. people go apeshit when they see someone paid 60 grand (*Canadian*) for an SS.

No offense bro I was just kidding. However friends I know in Britain always tell me that because of the emission equipment they have there allows a little more power than our cars.

[L99CAMA2011]

Originally Posted by Bad@ssCamaro

Try the Euro currency conversion, then you'll understand

I've heard Jeremy Clarkson mention some cars costing in Pounds the same as US pricing. I think the "CTS-V is the same over there in pounds as it is here in US dollars. I like it when they say ,"have you bloody gone crackers ladd", or that's the bullocks.

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by L99CAMA2011

I've heard Jeremy Clarkson mention some cars costing in Pounds the same as US pricing. I think the "CTS-V is the same over there in pounds as it is here in US dollars. I like it when they say ,"have you bloody gone crackers ladd", or that's the bullocks.

that is funny, thanks for sharing

[ckaram]

Fun review to watch! Very cool.

[SSMagna]

I enjoyed the review. Sounds like to me Chevy should have come on out with the horsepower.

[Deki]

Originally Posted by SSMagna

I enjoyed the review. Sounds like to me Chevy should have come on out with the horsepower.

Sound to me like people don't realize how much 580hp really is lol I think the ZL1 is fine with the power it has. It's 580hp!!!! My God. Just think about it for a second. 3 years ago, how many cars could you think of with that much power that someone can buy and not have to spend $150k+?

[eolson]

Wow, another self admitted clueless driver who doesn't know how to drive muscle cars around the track. It reminds me of that pathetic Automobile Magazine test with another self admitted single laps winner.

Thankfully, the big three car magazines found the GT500 to be as fast or a hair faster around the road courses than the ZL1. The GT500 truly is an engine in search of a chassis, and until it finds one, it will have to be satisfied with being just a hair faster than the ZL1 around a road course, and a lot faster at the drag strip. Erik

[AZ-ZL1]

Originally Posted by eolson

Wow, another self admitted clueless driver who doesn't know how to drive muscle cars around the track. It reminds me of that pathetic Automobile Magazine test with another self admitted single laps winner.

Thankfully, the big three car magazines found the GT500 to be as fast or a hair faster around the road courses than the ZL1. The GT500 truly is an engine in search of a chassis, and until it finds one, it will have to be satisfied with being just a hair faster than the ZL1 around a road course, and a lot faster at the drag strip. Erik

Sensible and accurate post.

The Zl1 cannot overcome the HP disadvantage except under very specific conditions...tight bumpy course. No chance in a straight line.

It is what it is. 82 HP

Nothing wrong with being 2nd in muscle performance, and only slightly so.

The Camaro is so much more than HP.

[hognutz]

Originally Posted by eolson

Wow, another self admitted clueless driver who doesn't know how to drive muscle cars around the track. It reminds me of that pathetic Automobile Magazine test with another self admitted single laps winner.

Thankfully, the big three car magazines found the GT500 to be as fast or a hair faster around the road courses than the ZL1. The GT500 truly is an engine in search of a chassis, and until it finds one, it will have to be satisfied with being just a hair faster than the ZL1 around a road course, and a lot faster at the drag strip. Erik

ha ha. the first reviewer to actually pick the GT500 as the winner and the trolls don't like him.

this is priceless.

Stupid dumb dummy how dare you like the GT500 better. why don't you go learn to drive.

I am seeing a trend here if you have reviewed the GT500 your stupid to the ford faithful in one way or another. if you can't drive it fast enough but like it your clueless. if you can drive it fast but don't like the traits of the car your have been bought off in some government conspiracy.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by hognutz

ha ha. the first reviewer to actually pick the GT500 as the winner and the trolls don't like him.

this is priceless.

Stupid dumb dummy how dare you like the GT500 better. why don't you go learn to drive.

I am seeing a trend here if you have reviewed the GT500 your stupid to the ford faithful in one way or another. if you can't drive it fast enough but like it your clueless. if you can drive it fast but don't like the traits of the car your have been bought off in some government conspiracy.

So very true!

[mlee]

Funny stuff... now let the bickering begin...

[DanSS24]

Originally Posted by hognutz

ha ha. the first reviewer to actually pick the GT500 as the winner and the trolls don't like him.

this is priceless.

Stupid dumb dummy how dare you like the GT500 better. why don't you go learn to drive.

I am seeing a trend here if you have reviewed the GT500 your stupid to the ford faithful in one way or another. if you can't drive it fast enough but like it your clueless. if you can drive it fast but don't like the traits of the car your have been bought off in some government conspiracy.

you're too funny...but so so correct.

[eolson]

The real comparisons of course have a driver actually drive multiple laps to best drive each car to its best potential, and then objectively record the times of those best times and tests.

The ZL1 attains higher G's in the figure eight, it has 1.4 mph faster in the slalom, but on the road courses, driven to it's individual maximum potential, as the ZL1 is also being driven, the results were clearly posted by C&R, R&T, and MT.

Only the facts please. The ZL1 is so well balanced. No question the GT500 could use better Monocoque cross frame bracing, a Watts link, and some brake ducting. Everyone knew the first two issues were not going to be solved by SVT, but the third is a mystery.

WTF SVT. Erik