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Old 07-05-2012, 09:25 PM   #18
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Spartan--yep, this car shines on hwy. Has no problem accelerating past 4th around the 40-50mph+ range. It's fun to set it to cruise control 75mph on hwy, and whatch the mph avg keep rising--amazing. However, making the most mpg from 1-4th, 0-40 mph, city driving, it's a different story---gotta be easier on throttle, cause accelerating agressively from dead stop to 4th, up to around 40 mph, it eats up gas, LOL
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Old 07-05-2012, 09:32 PM   #19
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The only other thing I can say is....ignore your MPG on your DIC. Your just gonna over analyze it constantly, lol. Reset it at the start of the tank, drive the car how you see fit, check it when your dry
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Old 07-05-2012, 09:38 PM   #20
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The only other thing I can say is....ignore your MPG on your DIC. Your just gonna over analyze it constantly, lol. Reset it at the start of the tank, drive the car how you see fit, check it when your dry
Word! Drive the car, have fun. It it costs $3 more a tank to drive how does that compare to the payment? This is a 323 HP car not a Nissan Sentra!!
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Old 07-05-2012, 09:49 PM   #21
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I wish the LS had a sport mode. I am hoping the engine/transmission tune I get with the RX Supercharger plus the gears I plan on installing make it much better.
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Old 07-05-2012, 10:09 PM   #22
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Well, just came back from little experiment drive. Started my stealth fighter up, and looked through my CD case, popped in Alter Bridge, "Ties that Bind", turned vol up, and hit the road on Sport mode, no paddles.[ Reset mpg avg MPG and then blasted some Creed, "Bullets".]

Took a trip around city, 10 miles. Avg speed was 22 mph (stopping, slowing down, etc). Had about 5 stop signs, 5 traffic lights. This time I accelerated more agressively, aroround 2500-3000 rpm untill I got to 45-50mph, and then "coasted" keeping it around 1200 rpm, and man, this car loves it. Great combo. Had to pass a slow a$$ truck in front of me slowing everyone down, and crossed 2 over-passes (uphill).

Looked at my avg MPG DIC, and 24.1 mpg avg

Amazing for a city drive! From now on, will only drive in Sport mode

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Old 07-05-2012, 10:17 PM   #23
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Properly done a little spray is a wonderfull thing!! Congrats!
Don't think of an SS with spray...
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Old 07-05-2012, 10:29 PM   #24
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Don't think of an SS with spray...
No SS here, just the v6, but man an SS with even 75 shot of NOS would be crazy!

Love the challenge of the v6 and making the most of it. I think that installing a nos kit, leaning to one of those 3ple Threat kits, is a great way to have the 70-100 hp and torque ready to fire when needed, and thus have the SS feel and more at the flip of a hidden switch, for about $800, instead of paying $6000 for a supercharger.
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Old 07-05-2012, 10:37 PM   #25
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Just noticed an interesting fact:

The SS trim comes with 426hp/420ft-lbs torque = 1.01 hp/torque ratio.

However, my 2012 1LT has 323hp/278ft-lbs torque, which = 1.16 hp/torque ratio.

Perhaps its this torque difference in the v6 that makes it feel a bit heavy/sluggish when accelerating...my CAI defenitely help a bit in the low end feel, but still not as agressive as I'd like. Just needs a little more throttle response on low-end. Perhaps the Rx ported TB will help a bit more in this regard.

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Old 07-05-2012, 11:39 PM   #26
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Well, just came back from little experiment drive. Started my stealth fighter up, and looked through my CD case, popped in Alter Bridge, "Ties that Bind", turned vol up, and hit the road on Sport mode, no paddles.[ Reset mpg avg MPG and then blasted some Creed, "Bullets".]

Took a trip around city, 10 miles. Avg speed was 22 mph (stopping, slowing down, etc). Had about 5 stop signs, 5 traffic lights. This time I accelerated more agressively, aroround 2500-3000 rpm untill I got to 45-50mph, and then "coasted" keeping it around 1200 rpm, and man, this car loves it. Great combo. Had to pass a slow a$$ truck in front of me slowing everyone down, and crossed 2 over-passes (uphill).

Looked at my avg MPG DIC, and 24.1 mpg avg

Amazing for a city drive! From now on, will only drive in Sport mode


Do you have a tune yet? You should see the night and day difference a tune makes on the automatics. We can make it shift harder and faster, and hold gears longer. Plus you get more power out of the car.
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Old 07-06-2012, 12:16 AM   #27
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Do you have a tune yet? You should see the night and day difference a tune makes on the automatics. We can make it shift harder and faster, and hold gears longer. Plus you get more power out of the car.
No tune yet, but have heard of the trifecta tunes, its def something i'd try. An A6 with 323 hp should b feel more responsive and accelerate more effortlessly than what its set from factory. My wife's old 2004 sequoia tank with 240 hp snaps ur head back into seat when tapping throttle, yet my camaro v6 I have to aggresively step on gss around the 2500-3000 rpm range to feel like its alive? No way...its should feel like that at 1500 rpm, like an old freakin Sequoia, at least, lol.

GM def set some conservative parameters at low end. If a tune can make the car shift and accelerate better, increasing responsiveness, it would b sweet. Instead, to make it accelerate nicely i have to rev it around 3k rpm! It should b able to feel responsive @1500-2000rpm instead, no?

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Old 07-06-2012, 12:48 AM   #28
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For the a6 v6, we get 323 hp, but only 278 ft lb torque to move the 3700 lb beast. However, SS get 426hp and 420 ft lb torque, very close, for almost a 1:1 ratio.

The v6 should have something like 315-320 ft lb torque to get that similar to SS hp/torque ratio. Maybe GM purposely programed a torque reduction, or maybe its just the gearing.
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Old 07-06-2012, 02:20 AM   #29
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Its the torque. Since you have a 2012 Camaro I would go get it tuned by a professional in your area. Your car can be read by EFI Live... Take advantage of it. I would kill for that!

Also, no offense but it seems like you drive EXTREMELY conservatively. I know you want MPG but if you wanted that much why didn't you just buy a smart car or something. This is a Camaro lol drive it like you stole it!
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Old 07-06-2012, 06:41 AM   #30
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No SS here, just the v6, but man an SS with even 75 shot of NOS would be crazy!

Love the challenge of the v6 and making the most of it. I think that installing a nos kit, leaning to one of those 3ple Threat kits, is a great way to have the 70-100 hp and torque ready to fire when needed, and thus have the SS feel and more at the flip of a hidden switch, for about $800, instead of paying $6000 for a supercharger.
One thing to remember, Nitrous is basically a "track only" thing... Using N2O on the street is illegal in the majority of states... Also, having used N2O myself, I really wouldn't want to use it anywhere beside the track... But that being said, the INSTANT TORQUE of N2O is a RUSH!!!! And is very additive and will leave you craving more!!
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Old 07-06-2012, 12:38 PM   #31
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Saw your thread yesterday and I really wanted to reply but the thread go closed lol.

First off, there is no way that Toyota Sequoia should be keeping up with your Camaro. That thing runs a 16+ second quarter mile on a good day whereas your car is capable of at least a mid 14. Average people don't realize that depending on how far you run, just a few car lengths is a KILLING...when they may be thinking..."wow just a few car lengths...thats keeping up". Its not.

I had a truck with a V8 with almost exact same HP/TQ output as the Sequoia but my truck was likely lighter, and I know it wouldn't keep up with my Camaro.

Lots of factors can go into making your car feel sluggish. 1)...its hot out. These cars do not run nearly as quick in hot temps. 2) If your car was heat soaked when you ran it (meaning you had driven it previously before it had enough time to fully cool off) that would have made it run much slower. 3) Sounds like you may not have driven it to its fully potential

Accept under hot conditions like it currently is, I don't really feel like my auto is a dog....of course I do have several mods on my car. My car feels pretty strong as it sits now. Also, in sport mode and under WOT my car will not shift until redline..so around 6,800 rpm. Your car should be doing the same.

Last thing...if you want to play around in your car a bit and learn which rpms are the most fun (in each particular gear) put it in manual mode and drive around that way. You will notice that stabbing the gas in 1st gear gives you that "head kick" that your looking for, and doing the same in 2nd gear when your rpms are around 4,000 or more will do the same. Even 3rd gear on the highway doing around 70 mph does it a little, but not as much as the two lower gears. I love playing around in manual mode, although if I'm going a timed 0 - 60 run I do it in sport mode because that is generally going to be the faster/easier way to do it.

Now get out there and have fun!
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Old 07-06-2012, 12:50 PM   #32
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Saw your thread yesterday and I really wanted to reply but the thread go closed lol.

First off, there is no way that Toyota Sequoia should be keeping up with your Camaro. That thing runs a 16+ second quarter mile on a good day whereas your car is capable of at least a mid 14. Average people don't realize that depending on how far you run, just a few car lengths is a KILLING...when they may be thinking..."wow just a few car lengths...thats keeping up". Its not.

I had a truck with a V8 with almost exact same HP/TQ output as the Sequoia but my truck was likely lighter, and I know it wouldn't keep up with my Camaro.

Lots of factors can go into making your car feel sluggish. 1)...its hot out. These cars do not run nearly as quick in hot temps. 2) If your car was heat soaked when you ran it (meaning you had driven it previously before it had enough time to fully cool off) that would have made it run much slower. 3) Sounds like you may not have driven it to its fully potential

Accept under hot conditions like it currently is, I don't really feel like my auto is a dog....of course I do have several mods on my car. My car feels pretty strong as it sits now. Also, in sport mode and under WOT my car will not shift until redline..so around 6,800 rpm. Your car should be doing the same.

Last thing...if you want to play around in your car a bit and learn which rpms are the most fun (in each particular gear) put it in manual mode and drive around that way. You will notice that stabbing the gas in 1st gear gives you that "head kick" that your looking for, and doing the same in 2nd gear when your rpms are around 4,000 or more will do the same. Even 3rd gear on the highway doing around 70 mph does it a little, but not as much as the two lower gears. I love playing around in manual mode, although if I'm going a timed 0 - 60 run I do it in sport mode because that is generally going to be the faster/easier way to do it.

Now get out there and have fun!
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One thing about the automatic... at light throttle, even in Sport mode it's pretty up-shift happy! So once you start rolling the car will up-shift to 2nd gear, which will feel sluggish! I had Vince re-adjust my shift point at light throttle, so even if I was say rolling through and intersection or pulling out into traffic on a turn, i would stay in 1st gear! That way when I was ready to punch it I would be in the RIGHT GEAR!! Made a huge difference in drivibility and FUN!
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Old 07-06-2012, 01:45 PM   #33
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Thx KM and scrming for ur help. Thats exactly how my car feels! Seems like the low end hift points are off, and has a sluggish feel to it. Should not have to be agressive on throttle, like punching it at 4000rpm for it to feel alive. The old sequoia in my example feels alive on a launch with a tap of throttle at around 1500rpm, where as in my A6, I have be agressive on throttle punching it around 3500rpm to get similar feel. Keep in mind im talking about normal driving, and not punching it at atrack.

In theory, the car should feel more responsive from factory. Its got the power. However, it seems gm went very conservative on low end responsiveness programming/set up, or the shift points are off, or the gearing.
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Old 07-06-2012, 01:49 PM   #34
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Thx KM and scrming for ur help. Thats exactly how my car feels! Seems like the low end hift points are off, and has a sluggish feel to it. Should not have to be agressive on throttle, like punching it at 4000rpm for it to feel alive. The old sequoia in my example feels alive on a launch with a tap of throttle at around 1500rpm, where as in my A6, I have be agressive on throttle punching it around 3500rpm to get similar feel. Keep in mind im talking about normal driving, and not punching it at atrack.

In theory, the car should feel more responsive from factory. Its got the power. However, it seems gm went very conservative on low end responsiveness programming/set up, or the shift points are off, or the gearing.

You would think they would launch an iconic "sports/muscle" car to it's full capability. However, theres too many out there that want fuel economy... go buy a PRIUS.

Same issue with the pontiac's & caddy's I owned prior. Went to Vector Motorsports for ECM/TCM reflashes on those. Looks like trifecta may get my business as well with this car (severly disapointed).

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